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JUNE 23, 2012 8:37PM

happy BTD, alan turing & saluting hot girl coders/lego TM

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hi all. its alan turings 100th birthday. happy birthday man!

as usual Ive been collecting lots of links on coding related subj & decided this is a perfect moment [excuse?] to unleash em.

yeah Im a real blogwh*re for hits and yet I doubt this subj is gonna push the needle much. so I guess consider it like a short public service announcement between my regular flashy papparazi posts.

theres a resurgence in interest in CS after the dotcom crash led to a decline in university CS enrollments. Im psyched about this [see other blogs on subj] but I certainly realize its cyclical. easy come, easy go.

there is a big debate in education about whether coding should be taught. personally I think coding is a critical part of what is called STEM education-- science technology engineering mathematics. I think its the invisible "A"-- STEAM. where A stands for Algorithmics.

as you can imagine I am totally in favor of CS [computer science] education but qualify that heavily by feeling that kids should have some option in whether they take it. sort of like an elective, like say what used to be called "home economics" in school. the problem/challenge is that if classes are mandatory, it often takes a lot of the fun out of it. Im against compulsion, which kind of is at odds with what is officially called "compulsory education"....

computer science is not a magic bullet, as Brooks used to insist years ago in his legendary book "the mythical man month", which tried to educate IT managers everywhere that if you have 9 women, you still cant have a baby in 1 month. but of course they still attempt to defy that particular law of physics, like of course on my current project!

U of florida recently made headlines by cancelling its CS classes in favor of expanding its athletics dept, causing alarm bells to ring in certain geek quarters of the internet, but I think this might be an anomaly/aberration.

this kind of dates me. I was introduced to computers at about age 9 in 3rd grade when my math teacher/algebra dad brought one home on winter vacation. I was hooked. I learned in Basic. but I remember when apple IIs were introduced to schools. I had one at my elementary school. they were greeted with a kind of weird response.

I remember distinctly the teachers were awed but also intimidated. there was some undercurrent fear I think. about a future we couldnt imagine, but was sitting right in front of us. I remember a 5th grade teacher lecturing that computers could be used for good or evil. interesting. at the time the sentiments slightly reminded me of a superfriends cartoon. I imagined a sort of archnemesis who could write code. cool.

Ive been fascinated with turing machines since a teenager. I read the book "metamagical themas" by douglas hofstadter [his books are still excellent/classic introductions to CS] which introduced the MIU game. I remember spending hours trying to solve it by scratching/doodling on notepaper and then doubting there was a solution.

a rare functioning apple I computer was recently sold to an anonymous collector for $375K. amazing. a 1974 memo by jobs sold for $27K. original apple founding papers sold for $1.6M.

there seems a lot of debate recently over females in engineering. the same topic was in front of the public when I went through school ~20yrs ago. I dont know if it will ever go away. I think that women voluntarily elect not to get into computing, not because they cant handle it, but because its hard to relate to.

yin is all about society, yang is all about machines. but with the rise of social networking there may be more yin in the digital realm, I think I see distinct signs of it happening. there are some very elite female coders out there now.

juliet waters, blogger extraordinaire here on open salon has some great recent blogs on getting into coding, check em out.

turing machines are one of the coolest inventions out there and Ive spent more than 2.5 decades learning about and playing with them. I think they yet hold some big surprises. for example suppose that there is still yet some "twist" in turings proof of impossibility of the halting problem.

suppose there were some remarkable algorithms that succeed on "many" difficult instances of the halting problem that correspond to deep proofs in mathematics. I think thats the case!

I had some new ideas along these lines that I hope to bang out over the next few months or half year. I dont want to be too specific but let me just say that 2 of the remaining claymath problems (what is it-- 5 left or so?) seem to be quite directly related to this type of approach or attack. wish me luck.

turing is unquestionably one of the great geniuses of the 20th century. but he's much more obscure than the famous one eg Einstein. I think in contrast his fame is on a slow boil upwards.

if you dont know what a turing machine is, click on the link below talking about the Google Doodle or the one with the lego turing machine. a fitting tribute.

the nobel prize is worth about $1M and the Turing prize is now worth about $250K. they are both awarded to highly deserving individuals [although I bet with the Drones, the prize committee is wishing it had a clawback mechanism!].... I do wish the prize amts were reversed there. as I recall the Turing prize used to be for far less money. I bet the older prize winners are feeling just a little green about that.

Im trying to be as upbeat as possible here & not let let my cynical self creep in. I might seem a little mercenary sometimes. it took me many, many years of very hard work in java to clear a 6 figure salary. I wanted to be like Turing and had strong dreams of going an academic direction/career but realized early on that if I went into science or research or R&D, it just wasnt ever gonna pay much no matter what. you can tell what a society values quite clearly in the standard pay rates. I decided not to push the river, so to speak. I do feel a little bitter about all that sometimes, that society's values seem to be so out of whack, but as they say, people in h*ll want icewater too. this might seem a kind of lame way to end this essay, on a somewhat bitter note, but lets not forget what happened to Turing in his literally "bitter" end.

 

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Turing got totally hosed in the 1950's, never had the patience for code nor the math for algorithms, but I'm glad you guys are out there doing what you do.
Re: women and engineering. I think there is something about American culture that discourages women from entering engineering and computer science in the US. There are tons of women in engineering here in New Zealand. In fact, more women than men complete tertiary education here - with much higher grades.
SJB-- interesting. wonder if there are any statistics that verify that. Ive heard a lot about low female enrollment etc but nothing that suggests its better in other countries. I mean lots of authorities argue its cultural but its considered to be more of human culture than varying across nations. it would be surprising to find a difference. it might also hold an angle of fixing it-- study the culture where it is working out.
jmac1949-- thx for the reminder. I dont really know the 1950s culture much except for the mccarthyism which I suppose had some parallels to the repression of nonheterosexuals-- the latter of which I could easily imagine might have been stronger.
What is this "halting problem"?

A Turing fanboy, eh?
"Science is a differential equation. Religion is a boundary condition."
Letter to Robin Gandy, 1954 .
Ha, love that one.
Best way to get to know people, like turing, whom you
certainly have heard of
(you aint uneducated!)
but whom you dont ...exactly...know the significance of...
is to read what they say on wikiquote!!

my own obscure genius is Alfred n. Whitehead,
he who had the balls
to counter Einstein with his own 'theory of relativity'...

...............

time will come, and you know it,
when computers will become internal to the human body.
how, why, and
who
does it to whom
is a large question indeed. thank u for the links.
hey jme. its an honor.
I actually skimmed thru Principia Mathematica by whitehead & russell (right?) when I was in college. it was the closest Ive come to being transported in a time machine. they basically invented mathematical programming ... it could be seen as one of the 1st or earliest computer manuals, along with boolean algebra and stuff by babbage.
thats a brilliant turing quote-- I think Ive gotta memorize that one.
now if I had carefully *read* principia mathematica, then I really would have been crazy, haha :p
jme-- well read but you havent heard of the halting problem?
quick intro. its a question that given an abstract turing machine, which has an infinite tape [blank symbols on either side], a starting condition of finite symbols, and a state table, and a halting state, does it halt/terminate? Turing argued that this machine captured computation, and nearly a century later, mathematicians/computer scientists agree in a wholehearted way. the halting problem is basically g"odels unprovability problem in disguise. its one of the greatest mathematical proofs of the 20th century.
This comment thread is like nerd porn. Loving it!
fucker! ah you guys , all u educated fellas, all u know of
the great and good whitehead is that damn "principia"
which resulted in utter failure though
it gave some sycophants much to
consider & profit on.


an infinite tape [blank symbols on either side], a starting condition of finite symbols, and a state table, and a halting state, does it halt/terminate? Turing argued that this machine captured computation, and nearly a century later, mathematicians/computer scientists agree in a wholehearted way.



the halting problem is basically g"odels unprovability problem in disguise. its one of the greatest mathematical proofs of the 20th century.


shit . i suspected u would say such shit. ay!

godel goddammed it all, that is for sure.
it is in another arena from the one where i dwell, due
to my mental laziness........

luckily whitehead, that life preserver of a philosopher, never
fails to come to my rescue, even forgiving my failures...


The study of mathematics is apt to commence in disappointment...
We are told that by its aid
the stars are weighed
and the billions of molecules in a drop of water are counted.
Yet, like the ghost of Hamlet's father,
this great science eludes the efforts
of our mental weapons to grasp it.
ch. 1

It is a profoundly erroneous truism,
repeated by all copy-books and by eminent people
when they are making speeches,
that
we should cultivate the habit of thinking of what we are doing.

The precise opposite is the case.

Civilization advances by extending the number of important operations
which we can perform without thinking about them.
Operations of thought are like cavalry charges in a battle —
they are strictly limited in number,
they require fresh horses,
and must only be made at decisive moments.
ch. 5
........................
kind of the lazy smart guy's philosopher, hm?

wait..then there is such shit as this:


re my dear sweet gal sophia:


"
Philosophy, in one of its functions,
is the critic of cosmologies.
It is its function to harmonise, refashion,
and justify

divergent intuitions
as to the nature of things.


It has to insist on the scrutiny of the ultimate ideas,
and on the retention of the whole
of the evidence
in shaping our cosmological scheme.

Its business is to render explicit, and — so far as may be — efficient, a process which otherwise is unconsciously performed without rational tests.
Preface
science & the modern world
did KRZ just say Porn? and Nerd? in the same sentence? applied to this post? omg!
KRZ thx much for dropping by & the link, wink
I think you fit right in =)
hey jme... "civilization extends by extending the number of important operations which we can perform without thinking about them".... this is a very interesting quote that prefigures various 21st century issues like distraction, info overload, multitasking, infotech, etcetera... also mirrors the concept of "chunking" in psychology. the guy was awesome. hey and re Russell wasnt he an eminent pacifist of the time, decrying the horrors of war? or am I getting him mixed up with Hardy? who I know for sure was a great pacifist. its been awhile since I read these guys but I did dabble in all that stuff in college....
interesting trivia-- I would argue that G"odels thm was loosely inspired/anticipated somewhat by russell & whiteheads principia mathematica book. in the way that mathematics itself is systematized. and also as I recall there was a famous contradiction or paradox found in principia mathematica by frege, "is the set of all sets itself a set". this statement has a lot of similarity to the g"odel incompleteness theorem. but I dont recall an account that credits russell/whitehead/frege as loosely anticipating g"odels result. on the other hand its been a long time since I was reading about this [colorful] history.
Recently saw a great documentary you might like (available streaming on Netflix): "Top Secret Rosies: The Female Computers of World War II"

It describes how critical women were to the war and to engineering in the US as a whole. And then they were all dumped when the war ended. Check it out! :)