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I was born in year 4 of the reign of the Emperor Tiberius Claudius and raised on 66th Street and 13th Ave. in Brooklyn. And Coney Island, Traveled the world. Married my high school sweetheart and stayed together 40 years. Now a retired old widower crank living in Florida with my cat. Author of "Initial Verses" - a collection of poems on love, loss, poverty and war" and "Toritto's Blog - a Memoir of a life in posts."

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JUNE 13, 2012 1:12PM

Religion and Elections

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Back in December, 2010 a Gallup Poll revealed that approximately 40% of Americans believe that god created man exactly as we are now about 10,000 years ago. Literally. Not as a fable. Not as allegory. Literally.

Another 38% accept that man evolved from lower organisms but that god guided the process.

Only 16% accepted evolution as having occurred without divine intervention - an increase from 9% in a previous poll. The rest had no opinion.

The belief in "creationism" is strongly tied to educational levels. Among those with college degrees (!) The level of creationist belief fell to a mere 37% while those holding unabashed secular evolution beliefs rose to 21%.

These statistics are at odds with views in the rest of the industrialized world, where evolution is accepted by the majority of adults.

With regards to political affiliation, a majority of Republicans (52 percent) subscribe to creationist beliefs. This is compared to only 34 percent among Democrats and Independents.

Views on human origins vary based on church attendance. Of those who attend church on a weekly basis, 60 percent believe in creationism while a mere 2 percent subscribe to "secular evolution". These numbers are flipped among those who rarely or never attend religious services. In this group, only 24 percent believe in creationism while 39 percent believe in evolution without divine guidance. This represents the only subset of data reported where "secular evolution" beats out creationism.

So what are we to make of these stats?

Do creationist folk REALLY believe man was created as is 10,000 years ago? Or do they answer a pollster with the response of a cultural warrior determined to give no quarter to those godless, secular humanists? I mean, there is more evidence for the existence of Sasquatch than for creationism. Are they determined to stick with the beliefs of their group, automatically rejecting any evidence to the contrary or are they just giving the "right" answer?

Who knows?

Plenty of local school districts have ordered the teaching of creationism along side evolution as if they were sort of equivalent, competing scientific theories. I don’t think anyone has as yet banned evolution from schools, allowing only creationism. No college I know of has as yet pulled evolution from biology courses.

But hey! There’s still time to wave the flag of stupidity against those elites!

Now as one of those atheist, secular librul commie socialist humanists I occasionally feel oppressed. After all, there is no candidate running that I know of that has come out of the closet and when asked about religion answered with a simple "I am not a believer.  Next question". 

I have to settle for a "progressive" if I can find one who simply pays church lip service during the campaign. I mean even Obama went to church (for which he got in trouble - wrong church) and occasionally shows up at services on a Sunday.

Now Mitt on the other hand is a BELIEVER! At least he wants us to believe he is while at the same time insisting that religion should not be an issue in the campaign.

I mean, does he REALLY believe that Jesus Christ dwelled for a while in North America?  That the Garden of Eden was in Missouri?  That Joseph Smith talked to the Angel Moroni? That Smith found the golden tablets, written in hieroglyphics in upstate New York, was able to translate them miraculously and then gave the tablets back to the Angel? That the prophet had a vision from god telling him to give up polygamy - just about the time Utah wanted to become a state? That god really wants a Latter Day Saints theocracy here in America? That god will raise a Mormon up to save the Constitution "when it hangs by a thread"...(see Mormon White Horse Prophecy).

Sure.

I’m gonna vote for him. 

Next we'll have Tom Cruise running, telling us that religion shouldn't be an issue.

 

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I don't get why Republicans don't believe in evolution. After all, they get elected by Neanderthals.
Ah, yes, the poster shows the evolution of man from an ape to a small businessman, which as all Republicans believe, is both the pinnacle and foundation of our country.
I just returned from a long car trip through the backroads of the South. I saw an Evangelical church about every five miles FOR HUNDREDS OF MILES. The business of religion doesn't falter in a recession, it grows.

Wouldn't it be great if the next bestseller is an expose of fundamentalism? Who has the guts to write it?

But if anything, the lesson to those who know better isn't to run away, which is what has been happening. (Witness the re-election of G.W. Bush) But if they actually stood up and fought by voting for those candidates who do not cater to them. That's something we can even do this November by golly.
Great post. I just re-watched Religulous with Bill Mayer and there was a stat in there that fewer people went to church during Thomas Jefferson's era than now. Explains how the Constitution came to be...but how it gets continually threatened now.
Listening... and chuckling... in the words of Mel Brooks, "Hope for the best, expect the worst!"
Conservatives-- count on them for wanton displays of ignorance.
I don't believe children should be indoctrinated, Toritto. They should be taught both sides and allowed to choose between them. Teach the controversy! That's the fair-minded, open, freedom-loving way. Is the earth round and in orbit, or flat and stationary? Teach the controversy! Did humans ride around on saddled dinosaurs or not? Teach the controversy! Are women human? Teach the controversy!Can America afford to tolerate skeptics or not? Teach the controversy! Gotta love that logic. [r]
I put my rock in my hat and it told me to vote for Amenhotep
Mitt really believes. And if you point out facts to contradict his beliefs, he'll get very defensive and label you an "anti-Mormon". The joys of indoctrination...
I guess I am also "one of those atheist, secular librul commie socialist humanists" but I don't find the Mormon beliefs any less credible than I do a lot of other Christian beliefs. (They do call it The Church of Jesus Christ ..) I my mind, the only thing that makes a modicum of sense is evolution, although I still have some questions about how it all got started.

Lezlie
all life was created after .....
i hit the refresh button....
R.
L in the S. E. - Oh I agree completely with you. Born in catholic culture I no longer believe that the host is the actual body and blood of Christ - just a nice way to recall the last supper.

On the other hand, many who profess christianity don't really follow all the rules - millions of catholic women have used birth control from when the pill was invented - no matter the church's position. I can live with a pols lip service to a faith.

I have no use for the true believers - the literal true believers - whether christian. muslim. jewish, mormons or scientologists.

I think Mitt is a true believer - and to my mind - dangerous.

Thanks for reading.
Actually most of those who profess to follow christianity NEVER follow any of the rules. No do they follow the examples set by that itinerant preacher known these days as Jesus.

Good thang too - when this ol' atheist gets to hebbin, he don't wanna meet up wif dem mealy-mout, hippo-crittic-el, dorks!

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Out of curiosity, I did some research about a year ago into how Gallup conducts their polls. In 2010, they did their surveys by randomly ringing computer-generated land line numbers. That excludes an average of 27% of the population, including 49% of Americans under 30. It also excludes a substantial number of the poor and ethnic minorities, who are also more likely to have cellphone-only households.

In other words, the survey you quote isn't representative of what Americans think because it excludes a disproportionate number of young people, poor people and ethnic minorities.
Here's the link to the article I wrote: http://stuartbramhall.aegauthorblogs.com/2011/08/27/the-tyranny-of-opinion-polls/
[r] interesting toritto. And how many think evolution is regressing to cave mentality and before? Can you flip the drawing the other way?

The "Christian nation" emphasis, the "Family" church that's even got Hillary attending, well, at least its annual picnic. Yeah, it is her business, but the christian cronyism of politicos and their pandering to the religious groups is creeeeeeepy and what happened to the fast erosion of hard won women's rights in America. Demographics over principles. Rove tapped into anti-abortion issue to go after Kerry in 2004.

Bush pretended he had religion. What a joke that was. The religion card. Obama? Well, he'll find a popular religious stance to lie with if necessary before 2012 election.

Wouldn't it be nice if they respected spirituality instead of religious gamesmanship.

As for group or individually oppressive religious indoctrination a/k/a spiritual incest, that needs to be recognized and called out. Where does critical thinking go when someone tells someone that God wants it THIS WAY!!! Cronyism at its scariest.

best, libby
Hi Doc. Stu - "In 2010, they did their surveys by randomly ringing computer-generated land line numbers. That excludes an average of 27% of the population, including 49% of Americans under 30. It also excludes a substantial number of the poor and ethnic minorities, who are also more likely to have cellphone-only households.

In other words, the survey you quote isn't representative of what Americans think because it excludes a disproportionate number of young people, poor people and ethnic minorities."

I'm not sure how your observations would affect the numbers - I like to think most young people are not particularly religious; on the other hand, minorities (especially hispanics) might tilt the percentages the other way.

The numbers ARE relative however from year to year assuming the poll is conducted in the same manner - land lines only. Just seems that an awful lot of people PROFESS belief - whether or not they ACTUALLY believe is another matter.

I think Mitt actually believes the mormon nonsense - which makes him dangerous. Thanks for reading.