Memo
Subject: Contraception, etc
From: The Founders
To: Pope Benedict XVI
CC: Pat Robertson
Tony Perkins
James Dobson
Donald Wildmon
Ralph Reed
No representation without taxation
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Abrawang
Jeremiah Horrigan
koshersalaami
Kim Gamble
Stacey Youdin
Steven J. Gulitti
Salon.com
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That's one down, and forty million or so to go
Besides those hats ain't cheap.
Thanks, and the Religious Right -- Oh, so over-rated!
Call it the Rightwing version of Groundhog Day -- with those party-hats, every day is New Year's Eve!
I'm thinking "No Representation Without Taxation" would make a good bumper-sticker -- or a call for a revolution.
I may be mistaken, but I don't think castration would save the children from anything but impregnation, which strangely doesn't seem to be so much of a danger with priests, since they tend to fancy boys.
And Aye! Women!
Amen:
:-) /r
translation please for the benefit of the ignoranti here in the hinterlands
I fear selling one of their erotic paintings might have a deleterious effect on young boys who wait upon the hierarchy
...and your bumpersticker idea along with toritto's comment...both are that excellent mix of hilarious and terrifying.
Lezlie
And with them, there's always an etc
L in the SE
You gotta pay to play, Poppie, ass or grass, nobody rides for free
I'll put you down for a bumper-sticker, tho I'm not sure it will have much effect in Baja Californy
aint gonna be a 'spanish ' one this time.
gonna be a 'german' one. achtung!
i watched some cnn today.
lady lawmaker is getting creative.
she says, when a fella wants viagra, he gotta get
a signed affadavit from his 'sex partner', plus, go into
sex therapy. i chuckled a bit.
her bill stands hardly a chance.
Resign immediately, you are a total and complete fraud. The idea that Jesus would join the Nazi Youth simply for self-preservation or because, well, "everyone is doing it!" is pathetic, laughable, disgusting and proves without any possible doubt the false construct of Apostolistic Succession is one of the biggest scams every worked on humanity by anyone ever in the snake oil business.
Me and the Pope? What we have there is a failure to ex=commun'cate
The silence from the Poop and Saint Rick regarding Viagra is absolutely deafening. By the way, care to guess the number one purchaser of Viagra? Don't know if it still is, but the GM insurance program.
Guess that means there were a lot of procreators forced to contribute to a lot of sex without procreation thanks to the GM bailout. Say - maybe that's why Mittmormon was so dead set against the bailout!
But that's the way the Catholic Church has operated since its inception. Well, at least till Henry VIII kicked the Pope in his useless balls.
I take it you're not a fan of Alexander VI either, the Pope who was father of at least five, including Cesare, cardinal and assassin, and Lucretia with whom he maintained a suspect relationship. He was also author of The Requirement, a document tracing his papal "lineage" back to Peter, and thereby purporting to justify the rape and pillage of the New World.
That the Catholic Church maintains any power in this world is a testament to its role in keeping the masses perpetually ignorant. God save us from your followers.
Your reticence doesn't become you -- you may speak your mind freely here. Or maybe not. You and I likely will be among the first to taste the wonders of the New Inquisition under President Santorum.
Then you're in good company
And, in a backhand way, I am a fan of all the Borgias as they helped trigger the Reformation with all those indulgences ...
I believe your remark about the Borgia's is what I call inverse appreciation or Shakespeare called damning with faint praise. Then there's reverse appreciation -- I don't appreciate Pope Alexander, but I do appreciate Alexander Pope.
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We try -- thank you for noticing
Well, I'd say the Rights are off ;-)
It is truly amazing how little most people know about history -- and the faith they claim. As I say -- riffing on Socrates -- the unexamined faith is not worth having. By that light, a lot of people have a worthless faith.
Unfortunately, they can't be dismissed, but it would be a vast improvement if the sheeple could be kept in a pen. Better yet, maybe Malthus has provided a way out -- we could breed them with lemmings.
~R~
So your with OEsheepdog
Well, I'm not that familiar with priestly vows, but I'm under the impression they renounce even self-love, let alone love with any other person -- male or female. So since on paper, the Church hierarchy has no need for contraception, they don't see what they should have to pay for anybody else's.
Of course, it's well-known the chastity vow is routinely violated, including by the aforementioned Pope Alexander VI. It is another dirty little secret that priests often do have sex, including with women who become impregnated. I knew of a priest in a Catholic Church in Orlando, whose virtual wife and son lived in a condo right across from the church. That was common knowledge within that church, as was the fact that their care and feeding came out of church funds -- and rightly so.
My point isn't to discredit this priest -- and there's certainly nothing I could do to discredit Alexander VI that would be worse than what he did to himself. My point is that all this hogwash about sex smells to high heaven, as does many other practices of the church. In sum, the decline of Catholicism in America has nothing to do with liberalism and everything to do with gross hypocrisy.
Eddie Van Halen was asked if he invented finger tapping on the guitar. He said he was not sure if he was the first but he did not copy it from anyone.
I have made this exact statement for years to friends and I am going to search because I think I posted here as well.
But thee is no reason to think this thought didn't come to you and any others as well. It is pretty obvious.
My question is do you really support it. No representation in fed. gov. if you don't fed income taxes. Please don't give me the local tax argument. Or SS taxes of gasoline tax. The church pays those too.
Yes forty million or so need to lose their representation.
You sure you want to support that?
“A government with the policy to rob Peter to pay Paul
can be assured of the support of Paul.”
Call Pope @ e-cum Spirit
2-2-O.
He drinks 'Fanta' Soda.
I read it in `Wash/Post.
Tom C.
Wear a Pope yarmulke.
Send a anti-smoke post.
I wish you'd repost that.
I'll share your old post.
Locals smoke in a pub.
I'll glue to outhouse.
It be great on walls.
Sorry, you can raise a question, but you don't get to frame or otherwise limit the debate -- especially not on my blog. To insist on counting only federal income tax as a tax and throw out social security taxes, Medicare payments, state and local taxes, sales taxes, excise taxes, gasoline taxes, ad infinitum, paid by your "forty million" is hardly they way to start a serious discussion.
Do I think people who don't pay taxes shouldn't get representation? You want to start with poor people -- why don't you start with GE? Or why don't you bitch about the wealthiest people who use all manner of dodges -- and lies and offshoring -- to pay little or no taxes?
I'll tell you why, because you're more interested in making a bogeyman of the poor than you are in finding a solution to a vexing problem. As for this:
“A government with the policy to rob Peter to pay Paul
can be assured of the support of Paul.”
Keep in mind churches benefit from the protection of our military, too, as well as a host of other Federal programs. So keep in mind as well that the taxes churches don't pay, must be made up by somebody -- and you are one of those somebody's. How you like 'em now, Paul?
If you're really interested in the issue, read the article I cite below, and I suspect your eyes may be opened a bit. One point the author makes is similar to the one I made in my previous post, that not taxing churches engaged in businesses is in fact anti-capitalistic, since it gives them an unfair advantage over their competitors:
A Preacher Advocates Church Taxation
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Thanks for you compliment on my anti-smoking post. Feel free to copy them and post them in you local pub. Or maybe you could try something a little more direct:
Cigarettes: Pacifiers for Big Babies
And here's both sides of the debate from the LA Times, in an article in which Barry Lynn makes many of the same points I do that not every function of a church is rightly deemed religious:
Why Don't Churches Pay Taxes?
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And BTW, the "church" does not have a single vote anyway. So what exactly is the point? What representation is there that you don't want it to have? Or is it the Pope's opinion you want stifled?
As for local taxes, get your local gov under control. So I have to pay for your national services so you can get local stuff I cannot use. That makes perfect sense. Just say no next time your city and county and state want to spend your money.
But my guess is you say yes to local stuff you want and then you say yes to lowering your fed tax while raising mine.
BTW it will never be your blog until you create your own private web site. Aren't you glad someone else is providing this for you?
If the powers who be at Salon want me off so be it. Until then I will comment whatever I like. And I still take credit for that quote.
And since you never answer me directly anyway I will ask you answer one.
What representation exactly does the church have that you want to take away because they pay no taxes?
I was kind enough to direct you to a couple of articles that dealt with this issue, articles that might have provided you some insight had you not been too lazy or too contentious to bother reading them. But you're not interested in information or insight -- you're only interested in being a rude prig.
Well, I can handle your being rude, but not your being boring. You can sit in your little room like a petulant child and repeat your stupid questions till hell freezes over, it's not my job to answer your questions -- answer them yourself. Or ask any of the individuals named in my post -- I'm sure they could provide you an answer that would satisfy your simple mind.
So agian , what representation does the church have that you object to? It has no vote.
Great -- now could you please explain that to Joseph? Good luck ;-)
HeHeHe
There are approx. 195 diocese/archdiocese in the US right now. I say we wipe out the national deficit right now by just taxing them on their real-estate holdings.
It's infinitely more difficult to understand what you don't want to understand.
Or as we used to say back in the day, ass or grass, nobody gets to ride for free
Thank you for making me think..Religion issues for me are not to be talked or even commented.I think human things are for us humans.This not a religion comment I make..It is more of a rhetorical asking on..is there anyone among us unaware of the fact that no authority knows what being in tax debt means..How can they understand us..
We are in debt they are not..What is to talk about...
Tom,thank you,rated with best regards.
Thanks for visiting. I too was raised with the caution that neither politics nor religion were discussed in polite company. Once upon a time that may have been a good idea, but the overtly religious have infected politics with their version of Christianity -- which in my view flies in the face of the twin foundations of Christ's teachings, that is pacifism and communalism. As a consequence, those of us who believe differently can no longer afford to hold to that prohibition, since politics and religion are now become one and the same.
You're quite right that personally the Pope doesn't have to worry much about taxes, but the Catholic Church, with its VAST real estate holdings certainly does have to be concerned about such matters -- as do Prosperity Gospel popes like Joel Osteen in this country.
Careful about that smirking - the nuns will crack you knuckles with a ruler
Yes. there certainly many others I could have cced
Thanks. As for Niccolo, he was -- unfortunately -- right about a lot of things. Or as one of his contemporaries put it: "Things must change so they can remain the same."