Ted Frier

Ted Frier
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Boston,
Birthday
April 02
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Speechwriter
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Ted Frier is an author and former political reporter turned speechwriter who at one time served as communications director for the Massachusetts Republican Party, helping Bill Weld become the first Bay State Republican in a generation to be elected Governor. He was Chief Speechwriter for Republican Governor Paul Cellucci and Lt. Governor Jane Swift. Ted is also the author of the hardly-read 1992 history "Time for a Change: The Return of the Republican Party in Massachusetts." So, why the current hostility to the Republican Party and what passes for conservatism today? The Republican Party was once a national governing party that looked out for the interests of the nation as a whole. Now it is the wholly-owned subsidiary of self interest. Conservatism once sought national unity to promote social peace and harmony. Now conservatism has devolved into a right wing mutation that uses divide and conquer tactics to promote the solidarity of certain social sub-groups united against the larger society while preserving the privileges of a few.

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JULY 27, 2012 10:01AM

Obama wants to "punish success?" Give me a break

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For Republicans, Ronald Reagan will always be "The Great Communicator." And one of the lessons Republicans learned from Reagan is never let the facts stand in the way of a good story.

A discussion about whether the federal income tax should be 35% or 39.5%, or whether the capital gains tax should be 25% or 35% -- or zero -- is a debate worth having and one where reasonable arguments exist on both sides.  

Those are also debates Republicans and the rich might lose. So, following Reagan, Republicans have decided it is far better to invent "welfare queens" who drive Cadillacs on the taxpayer's dime so as to change the subject away from stale fiscal policy and toward morality tales about lazy Democrats using the confiscatory powers of tyrannical government to rob the virtuous in order to reward the venal.

Republicans, in other words, have traded governing for story-telling where the translation of our political disputes into fairy tales is now ubiquitous on the right. This is evident in the most recent make-believe controversy over President Obama and Elizabeth Warren's "didn't build them" remarks.

Mitt Romney has organized 24 "We Did Build This" campaign events in battleground states featuring local business owners telling their stories about creating and running businesses -- despite the government standing in the way of growth.

It all makes for wonderful theater. But as Think Progress reports, the entire premise of Romney's road show is false. In nearly every instance, Think Progress was able to document how the businesses singled out by Romney did not make it on their own but were instead given a helping hand from government in the form of a grant, subsidy or contract -- sometimes a massive one.

There was Ball Office Products, which was featured at a Romney event in Richmond, Virginia. It got a $635,000 loan through the Small Business Administration in 2012 and later a $52,525 contract with the General Services Administration.  

There was Midwest Tapes of Holland, Ohio that received stimulus funds under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009. There was Cranston Material Handling Equipment Corporation that got $61,729 in contracts with the Department of Defense and the Department of Veterans Affairs. There was Home Instead Senior Care of Roanoke, Virginia that receives 75% of its funding from Medicare and Medicaid.  And on and on it goes.

While this traveling circus was advertised as an opportunity to "allow small business owners the chance to respond to President Obama's claim" that they didn't make it on their own, Think Progress notes the record makes clear that, if anything, the businesses singled out by the Romney campaign "exemplify the combined powers of individual effort and government support that Obama -- and Romney -- have praised."

As for Senator Scott Brown's advertisement against Democratic challenger Elizabeth Warren, Washington Post columnist Greg Sargent says the lesson from Brown's ad is: "Look, ma, I can lie about Obama's quote, too!"

In the ad Brown criticizes Warren for a restatement of the American social contract that even conservatives like George Will say is commonplace, even cliche - one in which Warren says "no one got rich on their own, no one."  Sargent says the new Brown Web video tries to paint Warren as vaguely anti-American and anti-business as when Brown says: "I will never demonize you as business leaders and business owners."

Just as Romney's audio had to edit out chunks of Obama's speech in order to disguise the fact the President talked about "our great American system," Brown also misleads listeners into believing that the President's "didn't build that" line was meant as an insult to business owners, says Sargent.

Sargent says Brown's video "unwittingly demonstrates" just how dumb it really is. Brown tries to create a contrast between Obama and past Democrats like John F. Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, and Bill Clinton - all of whom extolled the virtues of the free enterprise system. Yet, this is something President Obama does all the time, regularly calling the free market "one of the greatest forces for progress and wealth creation the world has ever known."

So, as Sargent says, the only way Brown and Romney can successfully portray President Obama or Warren as both radical and out of step with previous Democratic presidents is by "straight-up lying" about what they really said.

These serial deceptions are not merely opportunistic prevarications designed to gain some temporary or tactical advantage over the GOP's Democratic opponents. Falsifying on such an epic scale can only be part of a concerted conservative effort to change the way we communicate with one another, to invent a whole new language based on deceit, to redefine the assumptions about what's allowed and what's not as we try to conduct the business of our democracy.

The profusion of malicious inventions about Barack Obama's nefarious motives and the secret agenda he intends to unleash to "destroy America as we know it" should voters be reckless enough to give him a second term, is the flip side of Mitt Romney's extraordinary exertions to keep every detail of his future plans and past biography either as vague as possible or safely under lock and key.

All this secrecy isn't Romney's fault alone but rather reflects the urgent needs of today's dominant oligarchy to keep the public as much in the dark as possible about changes over the past 30 years which have shifted wealth and political power upward and to the advantage of the few over the many.

The decision of Ronald Reagan and the Republican Party to deliberately use tax and de-regulatory policy to favor finance capital over labor and manufacturing beginning in 1980 has had its predictable results.  

Since Reagan's election, we've seen the steady concentration of wealth in fewer and fewer hands along with the accompanying rise in inequality. We've seen the weakening of the state and the rise of a financial plutocracy that understandably wants to dominate the political sphere in exactly the same way they control the economic. Hence the attacks on public sector unions, the disenfranchisement of Democratic-leaning voters even in defiance of Department of Justice injunctions and a Republican Supreme Court willing to overturn a century of settled law so that the rich can let their money do the talking.

Obscuring this harsh new reality with celebrations of a mutant American capitalism that invokes memories of a free market that no longer exists (if it ever really did) is a priority for today's plutocrats who are desperate to find a legitimizing narrative that will help explain and rationalize their outsized wealth and power.

Richard Cohen of the Washington Post was onto something the other day when he said it's not so much the specifics of what might be in Mitt Romney's secret tax returns that counts. What's important is that he refuses to release them at all.

Romney has flipped and flopped on nearly every important issue -- abortion, gun control, even his signature health reform as Massachusetts Governor. So, Cohen thinks it's telling that Romney would chose to make his single principled stand on not giving us details of his personal finances.

Cohen suspects that the real scandal that might be exposed should Romney relent to the release of those returns is one that would incriminate the free market capitalist system itself -- and show just how much it has changed since George Romney ran for president in 1968 and had no qualms releasing 12 years of income tax returns.

But the elder Romney was a salaried executive who "actually made something (cars) or did something (governed)," says Cohen.  George's son, in contrast, manufactured nothing and earned his wealth by means of financial manipulation and leveraging.

And "on paper," says Cohen, "it could look ugly" -- and not just for Mitt Romney, but for all those vulture capitalists and predatory corporate raiders who've been contributing the big bucks to make Romney the boss.

"For Mitt Romney, there are no assembly lines, no factories or mines -- just back offices and computer terminals and such esoterica as the infinitesimal difference between what the Libor (London Interbank Offered Rate) should be and what it is," says Cohen.

Romney was loyal to no company or industry -- just to his investors, said Cohen. "The making of such money is concealed, based on the exotic manipulation of numbers and the disregard of people. Only a relatively few know how to do this sort of thing, and they don't much like to talk about it. Romney, as we already know, is one of those people."

Romney may be hiding his taxes, in other words, says Cohen, not because it would reveal anything new about him but because it might reveal something new about us, namely that "we're suckers."

This goes to show why conservative rhetoric and arguments have become so irrational and incoherent: Because they are being used almost exclusively in the service of protecting privilege instead of for the real-world demands of governing.

The New Republic's Jonathan Cohn seconds this motion when he says another manifestation of "just how unhinged Republicans have become" is the extraordinary lengths to which Romney, Brown and other Republicans are now willing to go to falsify statements by President Obama and other Democrats that in their proper context are not the least controversial.

To win, Republicans must distort the President's economic record and intentions, says Cohn, because "virtually every mainstream economist, left and right" agrees that "sometimes market economies stall and that government can take action to get them going again."  

Even Romney's own economic advisers agree this is true  - as does Romney himself when caught in an unguarded moment.

Cohn says there's an honest debate to be had "over the size, shape, and timing of optimal government intervention during downturns."  But it's unusual to get an argument like the one from the GOP over whether government intervention makes sense at all.

Indeed, says Cohn, among credentialed economists, the Republican economic point-of-view gets virtually no support -- zero.

Cohn cites Bloomberg columnists Betsey Stevenson and Justin Wolfers who report on the findings of the Economic Experts Panel -- a recurring survey of about 40 economists from around the country that includes Democrats, Republicans and independent academics.

The Bloomberg writers report a "remarkable consensus among mainstream economists, including those from the left and right, on most major macroeconomic issues."  All seemed in agreement that "the debate in Washington about economic policy is phony. It's manufactured. And it's entirely political."

The Republican talking point that Obama's stimulus didn't reduce unemployment is wrong they say - in fact 92% of economists agree it did create jobs. On the question of bank bailouts, no economist disputes that the bailouts lowered unemployment. Market factors rather than energy policy were responsible for gas price hikes, unlike GOP claims, say the experts. The oft-cited Republican claim that tax cuts will boost the economy and pay for themselves may have been true when the tax rate was 91% -- but today with taxes at 60-year lows it's pure "fantasy."

The debate in Washington, the experts agree, "has become completely unmoored from this consensus, and in a particular direction: Angry Republicans have pushed their representatives to adopt positions that are at odds with the best of modern economic thinking. That may be good politics, but it's terrible policy."

I know, I know, "experts" are always liberals and therefore "biased." There's even a scientific consensus on climate change, as well, despite what we all know about global warming being a hoax.

But with the facts and the experts all lining up against them, the only real card Republicans have left to play, as Sargent says, is to somehow fool a frightened public with wild conspiracy theories that President Obama "demeans success," harbors "active ill will toward private business owners and entrepreneurs" - and that this irrational animosity is all that stands in the way of a real economic recovery.

Republicans must "sow doubts about Obama's alleged intentions and hostility towards private enterprise and individual initiative," says Sargent, so as to give voters "a narrative about the Obama presidency and an explanation for the sluggish recovery that will make them more receptive to GOP tax and de-regulatory policies they might otherwise greet with skepticism" (emphasis mine). 

This claim, that Obama "demeans success" is therefore central to the Republican Party's entire campaign strategy between now and November. And without lies like the one about the "didn't build that" quote, that narrative collapses, says Sargent.

Consider, for example, what National Review columnist Mona Charen wrote just the other day.  

Unless you are a regular Fox News watcher or connoisseur of conservative media, you cannot fully appreciate the extent to which rank-and-file conservatives are angrily arrayed against an imaginary Barack Obama, a president who does not exist except as a figment of their (or Roger Ailes') fervid speculations.

"There are some on the right who believe that Barack Obama is intentionally steering the United States into disaster -- that he privately rejoices in the dismal economy because it partially fulfills his objective to bring the country down," writes Charen. "This strikes me as, at the very least, overwrought."

Ya Think!?

Yet, she says, the President's entire economic plan "has not been about growth -- it has been about 'fairness.'" And in the name of "fairness," Charen asserts Obama has "created the most anti-business climate" since FDR.

Exhibit A is Steve Wynn, CEO of Wynn Resorts, who complains that "this administration is the greatest wet blanket to business and progress and job creation in my lifetime."

He'd prove it to us too if he had "the next three hours." But since he doesn't we'll just have to take his word for it that "all of us in this marketplace are frightened to death about all the new regulations -- regulations coming from left and right."

With the exception of the Affordable Care Act that the CBO says will reduce the national deficit by about $100 billion, the only proof Charen offers to back up Wynn's claims about "new regulations coming at us from left and right" are trivial in comparison to the larger economy, things such as: the EPA regulating carbon dioxide as a pollutant; the technical legal dispute at the National Labor Relations Board over the Boeing plant in South Carolina; "net neutrality," the strict enforcement of racial and gender quotas; and Charen's assertion that the new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau is "practically freezing small-business lending" by, presumably, preventing big banks from cheating them. 

All in all, says Charen, President Obama has spun "fantasies" about today's industries, fulminated against "millionaires and billionaires" and betrayed "a fundamentally childish urge to punish success."

What Charen calls "punish success" might just as easily have been called utilizing more than 70 years of accumulated Keynesian economic experience, which tells us that when markets fail and we are mired in an economic depression it's good policy to take from the rich and give to the poor in order to spark the demand that can restart your economy.  But from the point of view of a Republican Party trying to protect the wealthy from higher taxes at all cost, it's much better to talk about bad morals and disreputable intentions

Gordon S. Wood, early American historian and author of the just-released The Idea of America: Reflections on the Birth of the United States, suggests there's a reason the right wing Tea Party instinctively reached for colonial-era imagery to validate their movement: The American Revolution, too, was a period saturated in conspiratorial fears.

"There were plots by ministers, by the queen, by the aristocracy, by the clergy - everywhere there were secret managers behind the scenes pulling the strings of the great events of the revolution," says Wood.  

To most of us, such conspiracy theories, then as now, are "a crude and peculiar sort of causal explanation" because they rest entirely "on individual intentions and motives," says Wood.

As Richard Hofstadter wrote in his own famous essay on the bitter fruit of crack-pot conspiracies and the "paranoid style" that births them, decisive events are frequently taken out of the "stream of history" and made the consequence "of someone's will."

To those who, for whatever reason, are susceptible to the malevolent and apocalyptic conspiracies hatched up by propaganda vehicles like Fox News, things don't just happen, said Hofstadter, "they are brought about, step by step, by will and intention."

In other words, says Hofstadter, the paranoid style "is a mode of causal attribution based on particular assumptions about the nature of social reality and the necessity of moral responsibility in human affairs. It presumes a world of autonomous, freely acting individuals who are capable of directly and deliberately bringing about events through their decisions and actions, and who thereby can be held morally responsible for what happens."

There are some people who are saying today that President Obama's phantom statement about businesses who did not build their own business may be his biggest blunder to date. But if that is true it's a sign of the times that the President committed this imagined gaffe not for anything he actually said but for the opening he gave Republicans to lie about him.  

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I like the reporting on the companies that used federal programs to get back up and running. That's a column in and of itself.

While Obama has been successful taking their attack on him as commander-in-chief off the table their claim that he is a "socialist," combined with the economic condition is clearly their rallying cry.
That Obama has been pro-business is beside the point, or the fact that he saved the auto industry when you are dealing with ignorance and prejudice on this scale aided and abetted by a media that has made politics into a sporting event.

I'm surprised you didn't mention Reagan's "trickle down" economics, which was one of the greatest lies I've seen during my lifetime of preying upon a naive public.

Romney's own best enemy may well be himself. For such a smart guy with the aspirations he has to have clipped all the corners he has to be rich is the height of arrogance, and shows how he really is out of touch with the country he says he want to lead. It borders on self-sabotage.

It will be intesting to see just how shallow his promises sound by the time of the conventions--as a test of whether Obama's strategy of lambasting him for his arrogance is successful.
I've noticed this phenomenon, too, over the years. People think that if you tell a lie, and repeat it, that it magically turns into the truth. The scary part is when that lie becomes a sort of "folk truth" and the masses start believing it, perpetuating it, and using it to cause real-world harm to innocent people. Or when they use the lies to win elections. R.
as usual- well-documented, well-constructed but so many do not want to read and think when they can say "well look at Spain!" as if that somehow makes a point.
You must have a silver tongue because your pen is silver too. Of course, one of the reasons for the hysteria and vitrol on the right is that they know if they lose this election, demographically the GOP will quickly become a minority due to the continued death of its old, white membership. And we all know -- no racism in the GOP. ;)
Thanks Ben, Deborah and Kenneth,

I was just talking with a friend and what may unite everyone's point about how Romney is his own worst enemy and Republicans just make things up is that it's hard to run for president and be so inauthentic at the same time. You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time. But it is hard to relate to anyone while fooling yourself. I don't know who Romney is and I don't think he does either. He's making up a new him everyday, just like his party makes up facts. So, no wonder he looks so painfully uncomfortable -- spastic even -- out there in public, and makes such horrendous gaffes like the one he made in London.
Old lefty, thanks so much. Garry Wills had a nice piece in the New York Review of Books about your point. This is the right wing's last stand and they know it. After their gains in the 2010 "Tea Party Sweep" they are trying to lock in place as many of their gains as possible and make them impervious to later Democratic change. There is a kind of hysteria about it, which is why the obvious efforts to disenfranchise minority voters, which have reached absurd lengths in Pennsylvannia where they admit fraud does not exist, and in Florida where the governor is defying a DOJ order to quit purging the rolls and daring the feds take him to court.
I think it's important not to portray Romney as a dummy, nor any pol who plays the odds on the side of vested interests in this country--especially not since Citizens United. They're the wise guys.

Some do it unintentionally, simply siding with the GOP out of their own ignorance about how this country works and quest for status in their own minds. (How else do you explain working class and immigrant Republicans?) But a guy like Romney does it full well in an effort to buy the office in order to represent their interests.

I'm not going to be surprised if he gets away with it either. There is no political constituency more powerful and united than those used to power and prestige who see themselves as threatened, and that is the underlying dynamic now at work in this country. We have reached that fork in the road. Buchanan spells it out in his book, but his book only speaks for a reality that has been at work for some time.

What percentage of the population do you think actually votes on the basis of the issues--as they effect them personally? Ten per cent? Fifteen? Twenty? And how many are living in the myth of the America that used to be and won't come again? That gives you some idea of what "progress" is up against, not to mention the default of "liberals" particularly from the boomer generation from our political system. They either remain silent or fault Obama for his sins.
No question about it, Ben, and you are right about Romney not being a dummy, just someone who is not as skilled at being a liar as someone in his position, and with his interests, should be -- or else it wouldn't be so obvious he is doing it. And I like your idea of people aligning themselves with the GOP for the vicarious prestiged it gives them. I know lots of people who fit that description. As for the American people? The fact that this election is still too close to call says it all, which makes me an elitist snob I know, except that lots of other real Republicans think the same thing.
@ Deborah Mendez Wilson

I've noticed this phenomenon, too, over the years. People think that if you tell a lie, and repeat it, that it magically turns into the truth.

They do not think it…they KNOW it. And politicians tell (and repeat lies) because the ploy works.

Ted, excellent sermon. Unfortunately, it is aimed for the most part at the choir.

The sad, sad truth is that truer words were never spoken than: “IT IS THE ECONOMY, STUPID!”

If the economy is still in the tank in November (AND THE ECONOMY WILL STILL BE IN THE TANK IN NOVEMBER), Barack Obama is toast.

With apologies to H. L. Mencken, “No one ever went broke betting against the intelligence of the American electorate."
If your piece here doesn't finish Romney off, his London embarrassment should. It says a lot about our country that anyone takes him seriously. (R)
Considering the flak over Obama's birth certificate, I am amazed Romney is dragging his feet on releases his tax returns.

Perhaps the Dems should start a "Returner" movement.

I agree with you, in that once they are released, financial analysts will use a fine tooth comb to explain to the general public how he maintains and amasses his wealth. But the real eye opener will be when they find out he likely PAYS NO TAX AT ALL!

Time will tell....
Wow. Doesn't anyone pay attention in History anymore? It's not too hard to see where all THIS is headed...
You, Ted, continue to amaze me. Each time I read your posts I shake my head in disbelief: is this guy serious? Unfortunately you are. I don't believe for second that you yourself believe in one word you're saying. Why are you writing this things? It's not that difficult to understand. But let talk about some points you described in this "piece of art".
Let start with Obama's declaration that businesses weren't build by business people. That's what he said - no doubt about that. Everybody saw him saying that! So now, you and many of your friends (and Obama himself) are trying desperately to put some kind of an explanation for his words - it wasn't about business people, it was about our American system. Let me reming you, Ted dear, that the American system is American people. Only in communist countries government is everything. Thank god, we aren' yet living in a communist country. America never was a collective country. It always was a country of extremely driven people. Individuals with dreams, ideas, and desire to succeed. Your samples of businessmen in Romney's ads only proves that. So, some of them got loans? Does that mean that banks (or SBA) built the company? Roads? Teachers? Mothers, maybe, as well? Please, give us a break. You simple believe that Americans are stupid. This is your biggest mistake.

Obama's stimulus reduce unemployment? Oh, my... really, Ted? He came to the office with unemployment rate of 5.3%. Than, it went to over 9%, and finally came down to 8.2%. And it stays at 8.2% for how long? I, as millions of real American, don't give a damn of what "experts" say. I simple see what's going on and it's not pretty. No stimulus reduced anything - it only brought more debts. Did Obama saved the auto industry? First of all, it wasn't an industry. It was just two factories. And at what price? 14 billion! And this is a very generous estimate. Most economists say its more than 20 billion. The Treasury sold its stake in Chrysler, which is owned by Fiat now (Italy) and lost 1.3 billion on that deal. GM still owns 27 billion. Potentially, when the Treasury sells 500 million shares in the company's stock it holds now, it will loose another 12 billion. What a great deal it was!

But all this is of no concern to you. You're saying that you don't know Romney. Let me ask you: do you know Obama? And what do you know about the man who sits in a White House for almost four years?

You're brainwashing people. But you're preaching to a wrong crowd. People here are already brainwashed to the point of, I am afraid, no return.
Inga's post is just another example of the idiocy of the anti Obama side. (And here, I report that I too am a displaced eastern Republican). There is no reasonable person who would come away from Obama's speech and say that he was attacking businessmen. All he said is the those who are successful owe a lot to the society that they live in. Even if the words came out badly, the sense is clear - and if the words were printed, it is possible a careful edit might have made them clearer.

I have spent a lot of time in the Dayton Ohio area. Years ago, a highway, Rt 675, was built to quicken the trip from mid Ohio to Cincinatti - bypassing a bit of Dayton. In the years since a vast suburban corridor has expanded, and as it did, hotels, shopping malls, and nicer homes have gone up in places like Beavecreek, while the older small towns from Fairborn to Kettering, have aged. The new businesses (Home Depots and Staples) have prospered along with new grocers while the old business stuck in older malls have dimmed. The success of the newer business is partly the result of govenrment action that aided new development, and sadly displaced the downtowns and older small towns. (Dayton and Springfield have been gutted). This is just one simple example of how public action both creates prosperity, but also devalues other formerly prosperous towns.
Inga-good points-I find that the left likes to create the enemy and then attack that boogeyman with ferocity. Romney is attacked because there were subsidies given to some of these corporation yet, Obama didn't really mean it when he said it.
So it is good but, if you don't think so, you misinterpreted him.
Obama's parents were socialists. He was a disciple of Saul Alinsky, a friend of Bill Ayres (He has never disavowed them to his credit) and radical clergy.
Obama to his credit is doing exactly what he said he woud do in 2007 and in his books. He seems to be more genuine than his defenders.
Romney does have a creditibilty issue no doubt.
@Terry McKenna -- Welcome to the club. I am a Buckeye myself. Thanks for making what I used to think was a non-controversial point about how government throughout our history has built the infrastructure -- whether legal or tangible -- to create the national market within which individuals can prosper. That idea is as old as Hamilton's Report on Manufacturers and Clay's American System. Recently I said the same thing on a Facebook comment to a guy I used to work with in the governor's office who had linked to Scott Brown's deceptive ad against Warren, reminding him of all the speeches I wrote for the Governor as we went around the state handing out development grants to build this road or that access or even to finance factory construction in order to spur growth. And no one called us anti-American or communists. Funny. As much as conservatives whine about liberals who disrespect their ideas and are intolerant of those that do not conform to "left orthodoxy," he deleted my comment so as not disturb the falsifying "bubble" his friends were in. That was in part my motivation for writing this post.

Inga and Jay -- all I can say is Thank you, thank you, thank you. With every sentence you write trying to refute my basic argument you make my case stronger by providing irrefutable evidence that I am right. Your comments provide first hand validation that I am right about how the right wing must distort the truth in order to prevail, that it subsists only on wild conspiracy theories, that it swaps factual information about economics for morality tales about motive that feeds the rights need for demons to fear and dragons to slay -- Punishing Success, Hating America, Ending America as we Know It -- and walking around with a portrait of Barack Obama and what he has done and who he is in its head that bears no resemblance to reality. Republicans have traded governing for story-telling. That is my major point and you make it so well. So, many thanks.
Kate, Now that the president seems to be doing better in states where Obama is attacking Romney on Bain Capital, I feel somewhat vindicated for the piece I wrote when nervous-nelley Democrats like Booker and Clinton were warning Obama off on attacking those kind of Bain attacks. Bullshit, I said, Bain has got to be the centerpiece of the campaign and you have to treat it like your own Powell Doctrine -- go in with overwhelming force and crush the enemy.

As we see with the dishonest campaign Romney is running with this "you didn't build this" nonsense, Republicans are trying to portray Obama as a radical who does not subscribe to the basic American Dream or Work Ethic that if you work hard and play by the rules you can better your situation. They want to say Obama is someone who will take that all away -- take away our freedom -- by making us "dependent" on Big Government. It's all a "story," largely a work of fiction, in which Republicans hope to be able to control the plot and characters by keeping the debate on as vague and general a level as possible. That's why I call it a morality tale. Listen to a Romney speech and note how conceptual it is, feeding into generalities and stereotypes. Obama is the most "radical" president in American history because the modern GOP is the first party in our history to define government action of any kind as "Socialism!" That kind of thing.

The only way to beat that is with specifics -- to show in detail how today's Bain-style capitalism does not fit the idealized mold of the free market or virtuous Work Ethic. These are guys who get something for nothing. Socialism is great, say conservatives -- until you run out of other people's money. That definition fits Wall Street today and the venture -- vulture -- capitalism that made Romney super rich. You can't beat Republicans with ad hominem attacks about "predatory corporate raiders" because conservatives will just retreat back to misty-eyed notions of the free market and entrepreneurs inventing Microsoft in their basements. You have to show how the rules now enable someone like Romney to borrow money to buy a company and then use his new workers pensions to pay off the loan and give him profit. That is not what most Americans think of when they think of risk/reward capitalism.

It's not Big Government versus the Free Market because Republicans don't believe in the free market themselves.
Republicans love to to repeat the myth that business owners "build" their businesses on their own. Somehow they forget that the practice of government subsidies and support of business by public tax dollars goes back to the Founding Fathers that they claim to revere.

The word "ungrateful" keeps going though my mind.
Jon Stewart had a great bit the other night using Obama's unedited "you didn't build that" speech and intercut it with Romney speeches saying the exact same thing!

Anyone who has seen the unedited Obama speech knows (despite what Inga thinks) that he was not denouncing business creators but was pointing out how in America, nobody becomes a success without some help, including often from the government. The GOP version of the Obama speech is easily refuted; unfortunately, in today's political environment, people stick only to the sources of news (whether it be Fox News or MSNBC) that play up to their pre-existing bias. Fox isn't going to correct its distortion of Obama's speech; thus its viewers will have little opportunity to see the record corrected.

The one lesson for Obama in this is a lesson, sadly, for all politicians today - be careful about speaking off the cuff because grammatical imprecision makes it easier for your political enemies to distort your meaning.
BTW, your "bio" speaks volumes on the current state of the GOP.
Ted,

I read Obama's book and I heard his rhetoric when he was running. Go read the book,it is still there in black and white. Nothing I said was story telling. When he was running for office, I remember being shocked at the realization that I truly wanted Hillary to beat him-knowing McCain would lose to whomever he faced. That is a me being in a vacuum.
I am amazed at how hard you try to dismiss all those that disagree with you. I do not cheer for Romney and I am not a member of the Tea-Party (nor do I know a member).
You are someone that has an axe to grind. Scott Brown is as moderate as any Senator yet you even go after him continually.
Ted, you changed your stripes pretty late in your career and I if you were honest with yourself, you would admit that it must be personal. Nobody does a 180 like you have without a traumatic event be it personally,professionally or perhaps you did indeed get a bump on your head.
That or you are on the payroll.
"Yet, this is something President Obama does all the time, regularly calling the free market "one of the greatest forces for progress and wealth creation the world has ever known."

This gets my vote for running, jumping, and standing naivite. If you haven't caught on by now that Obama will SAY anything to get some votes then you haven't been paying attention.

Obama's entire "build" speech reeked of the fetid odor of collectivism that only a jealous non-achiever can emit. That he failed to craft his language more carefully and went as far as he did in playing into Romney's hands only causes all to question whether, even in the one area where he has done an honest day's work--practical politics--the guy knows what he's doing without a teleprompter.
I have the feeling that if disclosure of our presidential Quiz Kid's academic records were demanded as a quid pro quo for Romney's hoary tax returns, those returns would be as safe as if they were entoombed in Fort Knox.
Please forgive the spelling mistakes. I was in a rush.
in the 50's, america was the preminent nation in the world, properity was widespread, if you were white, and the marginal fed tax rate was 90%.

america should be so lucky again, and punishing success would be a good start.
Jay,

You really can't help yourself can you? I write a very long 2500 word piece whose main point is that Republicans have swapped responsible governing for manipulative story-telling and have given up on serious fact-based policy debates in favor of morality tales in which they impute all kinds of bad faith motivations to their opponents -- such as wanting to tax the rich for no good reason other than to "punish success" or maybe even to destroy the country. And then you turn around and accuse me of being critical of Republicans -- just because I have a PERSONAL axe to grind and must have had some really, really traumatic experience to make me so down on Republicans the way I am.

Are you doing this just to be funny or do you really not see that you keep proving my point?

As for "working hard" to "dismiss" Republicans, if I wanted to do that I would dismiss Republicans by saying "fuck you" and calling it a day. Instead I do them the honor of trying to understand their positions and worldview as thoroughly as I can so that I can then painstakingly and in great detail demonstrate as best I can both why I think they are mistaken and why I think their whole approach to politics is very dangerous for our country and dangerous for democracy. That is hardly "dismissing" them since my intention is to "dismantle" them.

Further, why do you assume that it was I who did the 180 about face? Maybe I was the one standing still and it was the GOP that switched sides. Maybe it was the GOP that became a whole different kind of party -- trading prudent New England-style conservatism for reactionary Dixie radicalism. Maybe they were the ones that traded a kind of conservatism that wants to build a peaceful harmonious community using ideas like James Madison's ("the advantage of a well ordered union is its ability to break and control the violence of faction") in favor of the Southern divide and conquer kind of conservatism of a Tom DeLay who had nothing but sneering contempt for what he called those "preening self-styled statesmen who elevate compromise to a first principle" and would destroy any institution he could not control, just as his plantation-owning grand-pappies did in the Civil War.

I am surprised you missed it because it was in all the papers but one of the biggest political stories of the last generation has been the radicalization of the GOP into an extreme outlier party incapable of engaging in the give and take of democratic politics.

I am hardly alone among ex-Republicans in these concerns. And none of us got here because of some traumatic personal experience. We got here because we know history and politics and have experienced all kinds of different political personalities, and so can read the dreadful handwriting on the wall about where the GOP is heading.
Thank you, Ted, for thanking me, although I have no idea what in the world you thanked me for. Your response (and this is not the first time you responded by thanking me for who knows for) reminded me of how Jay Carney answered the question about what city does this administration consider to be the capital of Israel – Jerusalem or Tel Aviv? I'm sure you remember:
So, what city does this administration consider to be the capital of Israel. Carney's lost completely: "our position doesn't change". What position? "You know". No, I don't. What position? "You know." No, I don't. "Our position doesn't change." What position? "Next question, please". So... next question, please...

Thank you for “…providing irrefutable evidence that I am right". What evidence? What are you talking about? Did I distort the truth? By giving you facts and numbers (STATISTICS)? The same goes to Terry. You, people, are unbelievable.

Ted, I was very impressed with you description of Republicans who "have swapped responsible governing for manipulative story-telling and have given up on serious fact-based policy debates in favor of morality tales in which they impute all kinds of bad faith motivations to their opponents..." Great writing, only what Republicans have to do with that description? This is what Democrats, Obama and people like you are doing for almost four years. Lying, deceiving, covering up…

In his latest ad Obama accuses Romney for outsourcing jobs while being at Bain. Many news sources tried to find facts supporting that statement. They couldn't. It wasn't true. Washington Post confirmed that facts are not right. But… he continues placing this ad all over the map. The funny thing is that it’s Obama who is the master of outsourcing jobs. And he does that using stimulus (OUR) money.

Let me give you just a few examples: $500 million loan guarantee to Fisker Automotive to produce electric cars in Finland;
Sempra Received A $337 Million loan guarantee for an Arizona Solar Plant. The solar panels will be supplied by SunTech, A Chinese Solar Panel Manufacturer;
$300 million to two Korean manufacturers of electric vehicle batteries to build plants in Michigan. Instead, the Department of Energy has admitted that 11 of the 18 contractors on site are Asian Firms;
ABB Inc. received over $16 million in stimulus funds to create green energy manufacturing jobs. The company has laid off workers in the US and transferred work to Mexico;
Parago used stimulus funds to hire hundreds of workers in El Salvador and the Dominican Republic to administer a renewable energy appliance rebate program;
After taking a taxpayer-funded bailout, General Motors opened A $200 million plant In Thailand to supply diesel engines for the Chevrolet Colorado Pickup Truck…
The list goes on and on. Isn’t it a really “manipulative story-telling”?

@Cranky Cuss, so you believe that "anyone knows ... that Obama was not denouncing....." etc. " he was pointing out how in America, nobody becomes a success without some help, including often from the government. " In this case, I'd like to ask you a question: what's going on with all other "smart" and "hard working people over there" whom Obama mentioned in that speech of his. Before saying that "you didn't build it" he said something like : "some believe that they are so smart. There are a lot of smart people. Or someone said he worked hard. There are a lot of people who work hard", etc. So... where are all these other "smart" and "hard working" people? Why didn't they build successful businesses as well? Maybe somewhere in the United States we have some special area with roads, schools, government money and other factors that help people become successful and this "secret" area is only for SOME people. Do you see my point? What Obama said is stupid, untrue and ugly. But this is the only thing he knows well: communal things. Remember "Community Organizer"? "Together we can move mountains" - a very popular slogan in the former Soviet Union.
Ted, it is the story telling season. Obama is not being taken out of context in fact, the full text of his speech is even more revealing. Are there some/many problems in the GOP ? Absolutely! You make it seem like there was a time even in Massachusetts where the GOP had a clue. The Mass GOP is toothless and Weld and Cellucci were basically hearding cats on Beacon Hill. Cellucci left for Ottawa sick of hearing the air go in and out of his lungs. As Charlie Flaherty said the only difference between a Rep Governor and a Dem is that "More broads shave their legs on the Hill". Do I think that is totally true? Of course not, look how fast Johnson has moved Fidelity out of Massachusetts under Patrick.
If you were really an agent for change, you would be finding fault with all and not just be focused on one party. I see no examples of Republicans who 'still get it" just a continued attack on all that don't.
Instead we have total defense of a rudderless administration.
Maybe we should write a letter to the CEO of Ball Office Products and advise him he will lose that $52,525 contract with the General Services Administration if Romney gets elected, because that's how the GOP plans to balance the budget if he gets elected. (http://www.mittromney.com/jobs) He calls it "jobs" (he must've consulted with Frank Luntz) but the key part of his economic recovery plan is "to reduce taxes, spending, regulation, and government programs."

After that we should write a letter to the CEOs of Midwest Tapes and Cranston Material Handling Equipment Corporation and Home Instead Senior Care and let them know they too will lose their government money under the Romney-Republican economic recovery program.

Or should we try to convince the employees of those companies since the bosses are on a kool-aid diet?
I'll give Romney this, his counter-attacks against Obama's negativity are working. He's made an impact by striking back against the idea that his past in equity will make him a less responsive president. Obama isn't that responsive, either, or for that matter the last several presidents we've had--all of them, and their surrogates, have been more fixated on protecting their legacies than on real ideas or the health of American life. Romney's counter-attack to the Bain thing focused on the broader implication that 'business is bad.' This wasn't just to appeal to the wacko tea party conception of Obama as a socialist (huh, if only). It was also directed at the small business class, who have become very reactionary and pissy in the face of all the public criticism of business since the '08 crash. As a matter of fact, Romney's team have done this several times now, turning back a negative attack and appealing to a larger layer of voters at the same time. Politics is opportunism, if precious little else, under the present system.

I recently watched an interview with Jacques Seguela, the French political media consultant who helped get Mitterand and several other French leaders elected. He's old now and not afraid to tell the truth about what goes on behind the little curtain. He pointed out that the American political landscape has been stagnant for a long time, that it's perhaps the most stagnant of them all. The central slogans of American politics haven't changed in many decades: New Deal, New Frontiers, New America, America First. They've been repackaged, but they've remained essentially the same--simplistic markers for huge parts of the public, and very little content. There have been enormous technological changes in the way media gets politics across, but as Seguela puts it, "There is no modernization of ideas." He should know.

Rated.
And Scott Brown's general information ad, "Let America Be America Again," has struck a chord, albeit an obviously nationalistic one. Expect more of this crap from both sides. The small business class has become virtually fascistic in its support of this garbage now.
Boko,

Thanks for your very interesting comments. "Stagnant." That's the right word for our politics. Barren, even, as the national debate has been reduced to slogans. I wonder if in addition to media like Fox News that traffics in this kind of vague generality if one of the contributing factors to the dumbing down of the American electorate is our winner-take-all presidential system with two major parties that have to campaign on big, dumb ideas instead of a parliamentary system where you have multiple and much more ideologically coherent parties that can be more sophisticated because they don't have to be all things to all people. I also appreciated your comment about groups becoming more fascistic because that is something I worry about, a lot.
I see that Obama and Romney are tied at 46 on Gallup right now, but if you scroll down on their homepage, things become clearer. The consumer spending is up lately, but the rolling average has hovered around $70 for a long time. Going back to the same time of year (spending can be seasonal) in 2008, before the crash, the rolling average was about $100. The current amount represents a gain of about half from its low--it hit the 40's in 2009 and was really low again last year. I think this is the real snapshot of the economy everyone is always looking for in all the data. What people can spend reflects what people have got, and not like some commentators claim, what people are willing to spend in light of their feelings. Americans generally spend if they've got it. I don't think that's changed a whole lot. We're in deep doo-doo...this thing is only about half over. That fact is what is dragging Obama down, and not Romney's media tactics. I'm sorry, but that's a fluff analysis pushed by the media, who like to picture themselves as being much, much more powerful than they are.

R
Frank - "They do not think it…they KNOW it. And politicians tell (and repeat lies) because the ploy works."

Let me as you a question. When you write something like that do you just have a total mental black out that "politicians" are on both sides and they mostly all do it. So what it the point exactly.



like this This only applies to the conservatives, right Frank?
I find it hilarious when point out this kind of argument against
their opponent, so to speak, but act as if they don't do it themselves.
How funny that Romney demanded his opponents to release their tax returns while he was running for Governor of Massachusetts. He also demanded Senator Ted Kennedy to release his tax returns.
Selda,
Bush was forced to release his grades and we found out he did better than Kerry in some of the same classes at the same school under the same profs, so the dropped it and went on calling him an idiot. Al Gore flunked out of Divinity School and we dropped it. Obama refused to release his grades despite the fact a renown Prof says he did not go to Columbia and we ignore it.
If I were Romney I would release if Barry releases his records.
Jay: Bush's grades were initially leaked when he was governor. Presidential canditates rarely or never release their grades. They are leaked. Bush, Kerry and Perry were leaved for example.
...were "leaked" for example.
Because Romney or Obama have nothing to say so they take half truths and out of context statements to build their campaigns. Neither is going to say hey here is the deal, this country is in debt because of the work of past presidents democrat and republican who made trade and financial deals based on the need of a few mega conglomerates at the destruction of the future of this country. And to fix the problem will require a total overhaul of the system, major sacrifices, and everyone will suffer for years to come. Neither side will say that, because it is easier to point fingers and pass the blame to each other and say I can get us out of this mess without any hardships.

Who is worse? Reagan who dismantled the banking safe guards or Clinton who repealed Glass–Steagall. Romney and the companies who made billions at the cost of American manufacturing or Clinton who signed NAFTA .

Maybe we are all to blame because we are hooked on the idea that wide screen TVs should cost 200 bucks even though you cannot pay a decent wage to someone to build it. We throw a few coins in the save the children jar, but support companies like Apple who employ slave labor to build their products which was all to willing to buy without thinking of who made the product.
Ted, Wonderful piece. Funny how how write a cogent piece of analysis quoting, amongst others, Bloomberg, to help make your case and to the trolls your a leftist. Such quaint and irrelevant characterizations, such an amazing ability to read past the facts and get to the spouting.

As to the recent Obama quote taken as a gaffe, here's what he said:


Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.”

What he clearly meant was, in sentence two, "If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build those." As in referring to the roads and bridges. Sheesh. Romney's team will go for anything. Meanwhile, I am so interested to know exactly how he built that $100 million IRA.
M Todd,

I feel your pain and your discouragment, but short of raising the white flag of surrender I guess the only thought I have is one borrowed from Don Rumsfled of all people: "You go to war with the army you have."
Thanks Steve,

I've noticed the same thing. These trolls as you call them don't pay any more attention to what we write than to what Obama says. They complain about their free speech rights being violated by liberals who aren't interested in other points of view. But the truth is that once they have sniffed out from the general tone that you are not on their side, they skip right past the painstakingly constructed arguments and the detailed citations even from (as you point out) sources on their side, to find the one loose thread, the one stray fact out of place, that lets them tug and pull in hopes of discrediting the whole piece whose argument I gainsay they don't understand anyway.
@ Joseph Cole

You wrote:

Frank - "They do not think it…they KNOW it. And politicians tell (and repeat lies) because the ploy works."

Let me as you a question. When you write something like that do you just have a total mental black out that "politicians" are on both sides and they mostly all do it. So what it the point exactly.



like this This only applies to the conservatives, right Frank?
I find it hilarious when point out this kind of argument against
their opponent, so to speak, but act as if they don't do it themselves.


Let me ask you a question, Joseph. What in hell did I say that causes you to think that my comments apply only to conservatives?

All politicians tell and repeat lies because the ploy works…THAT INCLUDES REPUBLICANS, DEMOCRATS, AND INDEPENDENTS.

I then went on to mention that I liked Ted’s essay, but that I think Obama is going to lose in November.

So what is your point exactly, Joseph?
It's interesting how Steve omitted the beginning of that "famous" part of Obama's speech. That what he said: “If you’ve been successful you didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think ‘well, it must be because I was just so smart’. There are a lot of smart people out there! ‘It must be because I worked harder than everybody else.’ Let me tell you something—there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there!” So, what's with all these " a lot of smart people out there!" and " a whole bunch of hardworking people out there!” What's with them? Why haven't they became as successful as the others who "didn't build it on their own". Are the other ones living in some different part of the country without roads? Where the internet is not available? Please, give me a break! Obama said exactly what he meant - individuals aren't important. It's the government who is doing everything for small, brainless people. He believes in this and that's why we are in such a deep hole. Obama just has no idea how America works! His teachers didn't tell him that.
"What he clearly meant was, in sentence two, "If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build those." So says SK.
This revision would fix the noun/pronoun agreement problem but would create a false condition. The "you" in the sentence didn't build the roads and bridges regardless of whether a business is owned.
The more important point is that the entire statement as reported by Inga and hacked up by SK reeks of collectivism and distrust/envy of the individual. Anyone who hasn't figured out by now that that is the soul of Obama isn't paying attention or chooses not to.
Ted, And we get the government we vote for. The problem is we keep voting the same people back into office who not surprisingly keep doing the same things for the same people who give them millions of dollars.
Gordon,

Is it really "individualism" that Republicans offer? Or is that word just a battering ram, like "freedom" by which today's plutocracy intends to knock down the walls of our democracy which prevents them from ruling as they please. And so once in control they don't have to worry about those other "individuals" -- like us -- ever again, since we won't have access to political power through a popularly-elected nation-state to do anything about whatever evil designs the plutocracy might have in store for us. That is why we liberals think in terms of freedom THROUGH government not freedom FROM government, as you apparently do.

As for your idea of "collectivism." That sounds nothing more than a bunch of people joining together to get something done they could not do on their own, perhaps through the agency of government, perhaps not.

And it is not really a liberal idea at all, but one that first drew me to conservatism long ago. Considering how you define individualism and collectivism and organize those ideas on the left-right political spectrum, what do you have to say about these words from George F. Will, expressing what I believe to be genuine traditional conservatism rooted in community as opposed to the modern variety that is the handmaiden of plutocracy.

The George Will of 1983, before the rise of plutocracy, wrote that liberal democratic societies were "ill-founded" precisely because they were based on materialism and the maximization of self-interest at the expense of those grander and more noble virtues such as generosity, modesty, humility, self-sacrifice, disinterestedness, and justice (what I would call "classic republicanism") which Will exalts in his most extensive exposition on the nature and purpose of political society, Statecraft as Soulcraft: What Government Does.

Going further, Will writes in his introduction to the re-release of professor Clinton Rossiter's classic history, Conservatism in America, that the incoherence in American conservatism is attributable to its too close association with free market capitalism. How could, asks Will, a political belief system based on law and order and the primacy of the community over the individual possibly subscribe to an economic theory like laissez-faire that is lawless at its core?

"The severely individualistic values and the atomizing social dynamism of a capitalist society conflict with the traditional and principled conservative concern with traditions, among other things," write Will. "Those other things include the life of a society in its gentling corporate existence - in communities, churches and other institutions that derive their usefulness and dignity from the ability to summon individuals up from individualism to concerns larger and longer-lasting than their self-interestedness."

Now that was the George Will I admired so much so long ago, who taught me to think and who made me proud to call myself a conservative way back when. But like Brent Scowcroft remarking about Dick Cheney, I don't recognize the George Will I see today.

The sad reality, of course, is that like so many other right wing conservatives, George Will is not aiming for intellectual consistency or integrity. Rather, what Will seeks is a strategic victory for the vested interests he serves should he succeed, with all his talk of collectivism and freedoms denied, in scaring away average, everyday voters from the very people who're looking out for their well-being.

None of this is new. Throughout history, the reactionary formula has always and everywhere been the same: Wealthy and powerful interests, intent on maintaining their power and privileges, frighten the masses with talk their freedoms are under assault from their erstwhile allies, which is done in order for these reactionary elites to preserve and expand their own freedoms.

So you see, the Barack Obama that you assail as a radical socialist turns out to be a traditional conservative after all -- unlike those radical right wing reactionaries who intend to destroy our democracy so they can replace it with plutocracy of the rich and powerful. And it is these people who have run off with the Republican Party.
"So you see, the Barack Obama that you assail as a radical socialist turns out to be a traditional conservative after all."

This will undoubtedly be news to Obama, who I doubt would understand but a small fragment of your analysis. He's a politician who seeks political power on the fraudulent premise that he can drain value from producers indefinitely.

And what's this about the right wingers destroying democracy? Any examples come to mind? The only thing I observe are efforts to maintain a constitutional republic in face of liberal love for mobocracy.
Gordon, I wish you well in the dark cell of yours with its strong bars and high prison walls. I'm not asking you to agree with me, only to consider, but it is clear that you skimmed right over what I'd written in order to find some toehold from which to repeat something you already believed anyway, namely that President Obama is an empty suit, a dolt, who can't form a complete sentence without a teleprompter and is so dense he could never decipher the marvelous insights I've presented here.

You remind me, Gordon, of something Walter Lippmann wrote in his very first book way back in 1914 -- A Preface to Politics -- in which he bemoaned the fact that "debating is such a wretched amusement and most partisanship, most controversy, so degrading."

The reason, he says, is that: "The trick here is to argue from the opponent's language, never from his insight. Y0u take him literally, you pick up his sentences and you show what nonsense they are. You do not try to weigh what you see against what he sees; you contrast what you see with what he says. So debating becomes a way of confirming your own prejudices; it is never, never in any debate I have suffered through, a search for understanding from the angles of two differing insights."

I fully expect to receive a reply telling me what a condescending, liberal elitists snob I am for not giving greater respect to differing points of view.
Thanks for a compelling piece that is well researched and thoughtfully written. A special thank you for pointing out the importance of the year 1980 and the slippery slope we've been riding since Reagan took office.
"I fully expect to receive a reply telling me what a condescending, liberal elitists snob I am for not giving greater respect to differing points of view."

What you expect to receive and what you're going to receive are very different things.

I think you're confusing respect for one's right to hold a view with respect for the view itself. I find absolutely nothing snobbish or elitist in your post or your comments thereon. And I certainly respect your command of the English language and the moderation of your tone.

But I have no respect for the notion that the individual has an obligation to the collective, especially as sequestered by a parasitic political hack and his cronies. And if you've bought the Obama snake oil, I certainly do not expect you to have any respect for my contrary point of view.
Frank - I obviously mistook your statement. I was hard to see balance when the OP and other commenter went to great length talking only about Romney's story.
Gordon Osmond,

You are a stickler for language and grammar, yet you say that you have, "no respect for the notion that the individual has an obligation to the collective..." But rules of grammar are an orthodoxy in support of a collective, the speakers and writers of the language. Every time you make a remark about proper usage you are espousing a principle of individual responsibility to the collective. If you authentically supported that Randian individuality, you would not do this. That individuality stance is a fraud. You just arbitrarily select which "collective" you belong to. Just as Rand herself received Social Security and accepted that from the "collective."
Gordon,

You make an interesting distinction between respect for the right to have an opinion for respect for the opinion itself, since that is exactly the subject of my latest post regarding the controversy over the boycott of Chick-fil-A for the anti-gay activism of its chief executive. Religious conservatives want to steer away from content to make this an issue of free speech itself and the supposed right of people to express views without any consequence at all. Thus they say the "radical left" is attempting to take away at free speech right by criticizing speech or boycotting a business because of it. I say the issue is still the belief itself. and all this talk of first amendment rights is a cynical ploy to change the subject. No one is denying anyone's right to free speech, but we do not have a constitutional right to have people agree with us or to buy our chicken if people think we are a bigot.

As for the distinction between the individual and the community, I understand where you are coming from given your view on the legitimacy of the current administration. EJ Dionne has a good take on this in his new book The Divided Political Heart in which he shows that both liberals and conservatives have their individualist and communitarian side -- gay rights being a perfect example, where conservatives are attempting to impose a "collectivist" biblical standard of behavior on the gay community. So, just as liberals stand up for individualism too against what they consider to be the repressive demands of some "community" I think we are a long way from the totalitarian collective that so many conservatives seem to fear in the garden variety "we are all in this together" discussions of national unity that Obama talks about. But given what you think about the administration I see where you would think differently.
@TF
I agree that the First Amendment is not the issue in the Chick Fil A controversy. It's a classic case where a person must accept legitimate consequences of expressing political views either in speech or by use of money in donations. So I have no problem with boycotts and other private efforts to choke the chicken.
The real issue is the political action which various mayors are exercising against the company. Their power is strictly derived from the consent of the governed and there is nothing there that empowers them to move against a legitimate business enterprise. In fact, I consider it obscene. To use a legal expression, quo warranto?

@BB
Your argument is so totally whacko that I'm surprised you haven't been offered a prime time speaking slot at the upcoming DNC.
Gordon,

Agreed, official retaliation in the form of a denied license to do business would constitute what we call "censorship," and would be totally out of bounds -- which is why when this whole flap started the very liberal Boston Globe asked our mayor after he had said some discouraging words about the company: "What part of the First Amendment do you not understand?"

If Chick'fil-A had a record ofdiscrimination against gays in hiring or service that would be one thing, the Globe said, but the fact that its president is a dick is should not be disqualifying. Though, it should be said, that if you read Mayor Menino's letter carefully, he does not "ban" the company from Boston as has been misreported, nor does he even threaten hostile action by the Boston Redevelopment Authority (the department that handles business locations here) but rather he merely "urges," with a whole lot of jaw-boning, that the company to stay away because it and its leaderships' views are not welcome. I can't speak for what's going on in Chicago, but here in Boston the political types are just grandstanding.

Now, Christian fundamentalists may be insulted by that sentiment, but it hardly counts as denial of free speech or an effort to "silence" those who want to deny gays their equal rights, as so many Religious Right organizations have been cynically and hysterically telling their members in an obvious effort to gin up resentment (and maybe membership and contributions) so as to make the faithful feel like courageous martyrs suffering persecution at the hands of their Nero-like liberal tormentors.
Ted in reference to your statement to TF

There are no gay rights in the sense of constitutional or civil rights. There are human rights that all citizens are protected under including gays.

Marriage has two sides. One is the religious and the other is the civil. Anyone can say they are married and can define what married means to them without the approval of the state. Many groups do not even consider civil law and only recognize those marriages within their particular sect or culture.

Which brings me to my point, who decides what constitutes a civil law marriage? Even same sex marriage is a restrictive proposition because it only considers monogamy. There are hundreds of polygamous and polymonogamous groups that would like their ideas of marriage to be accepted as a legal civil marriage. A polygamist could argue that they have centuries of historical context for polygamist marriage and therefore should be included in the debate.

The only question for me is who decides what constitutes a civil marriage or any civil law created? The courts or the people? There is heated debate on both sides and legal and constitutional merit for both arguments.

In states where the issue is put to a popular vote it looses (even in California) and only has been passed when either by court or legislative mandated. The debate is far from being over and for now the majority of people (at least when they vote) reject same sex marriage.
M Todd,

The courts or the people? Wow. That's an issue we've been debating for two centuries, and will likely debate for another two centuries, or however long the republic stands. It is almost unresolvable, and there are connections between the legislative and judicial, legal and popular, that exist informally -- as when judges rule based on their interpretation of how far society as a whole has progressed on an issue and therefore how ready that society might be favorably receive a ruling in favor of expanded rights or whether the ruling will kick up such a firestorm of controversy that the courts would be in danger of compromising their own credibility by pushing an issue too far, too fast. There are many conservatives who believe to this day that Roe v. Wade was a bridge too far. But at the end of the day, the only power the courts really have is the willingness of the public to accept their rulings, so in that sense judges are advised to pay attention to public opinion even if they are not formally bound by it.

As a general rule, I am with those who do not think individual civil rights is the kind of thing you put up for a vote because generally the majority will vote against the minority, short term. But that is a general proposition that opens up a whole other debate, I know.

Also, as to whether gay marriage opens the door for all other kinds of unions like polygamy and even bestiality as Rick Santorum once suggested, one of the central issues the courts have focused on in all of the cases that have come before it is: Is there a compelling state interest to prevent gays from getting married (on utilitarian grounds) or is resistance to it just a reflection of custom, tradition, irrational fear or bigotry. Lots of social science on the affect of same-sex child-rearing has been introduced in these cases, for example, mostly to the benefit of same-sex parents. That kind of thing.

The other important distinction you raise is whether the marriage is religious or civil. The wedding I attended last weekend was officiated by a justice of the peace, as I think most are. Individual religions should retain their right to decide for themselves whether to extend the blessings of their church over same-sex unions, but civil unions should be covered by the whole complex of laws we use to define individual rights and protections in our society generally, not held captive to the restrictions of the particular tenets of the various faith traditions we have. Hope that helps.
Ted, in the case of Roe V Wade the issue the courts decided based on constitutional grounds not religious or popular opinion. Granted even this is debatable, but at least they sighted a constitutional argument of right to privacy. For me it seems that first the courts need to decide if there are even gay rights protected by the constitution and then issues of civil law marriage and other social laws will fall in line based on their constitutionality not social popularity.

You are correct if the majority could decide issues based on popularity without the constitution there would be all sorts of abuse of minorities. Not to say this has not happened in the past and that is why we have the courts to decide if any law is constitutional not popular.

The legal issue of marriage was taken for granted until the last few decades has never been tested on its constitutionality. The sighting of polygamy is not some extreme idea since the practice has a long historical standing in cultures all the way back to ancient times. I do not buy the argument that gay marriage will open the gates for people marrying their pets or toasters. Nor do I believe same sex marriage threaten monogamy or heterosexual marriage. Frankly heterosexuals have done a pretty good job of destroying the institution themselves long before the issue of same sex marriage.
My only reference to polygamy is to illustrate that even same sex marriage is also a restrictive definition of marriage and no more inclusive than heterosexual marriage. With that said who draws the line? The people or the courts if there is no defined constitutional protection of sexual orientation?
Ted, marriage has both its legal civil and religious. The religious issues are up to the particular group and what constitutes marriage in their group is what they follow. The civil side is the laws and rights granted under the law that protect all citizens regardless of acceptance of any particular religious group. That is the only issue before the courts. Although Catholics do not accept marriages outside their church as valid they do have to accept the civil contract which governs all society. The civil law of marriage is the only one the courts recognize when deciding the rights and privileges of social marriage.