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JULY 16, 2012 3:11PM

You Choose: Which Is More Disgusting?

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In today's installment of "What can I space off on rather than focus on my job, which, at this moment, really doesn't require much focus in order to do whatever it is I'm suppose to do,"  I began to wonder what one could do with a blog post that begins with as dull a first sentence as possible.  At about the same time my nose itched.

My nose itches.  The time-honored solution is to scratch it.  But a nose being a nose, rather than, say, an arm or torso, the location of the itch plays a significant role in the proper social response.  If the itch is on the tip of the nose, as was mine, you simply scratch.  However, if the itch is INSIDE your nose ... well.  Cause blowing your nose doesn't always relieve the itch.  And if a sneeze isn't forthcoming, that leaves you with, yes, sticking a finger up your nose.  Which is socially disgusting.

Speaking of "disgusting," it's time for you to choose.  In his book, Batavia's Graveyard, Mike Dash describes life aboard a 1628 state-of-the-art Dutch East India Company trade ship bound from Amsterdam to (you guessed it) the East Indies.  Generally speaking, while sailing for months, life on board a trade ship (or retourschip) really, really, really sucked.  "Within a week of sailing even basic cleanliness became a dreamed-of luxury for the passengers and crew of a retourschip.  There was no fresh water for washing, and although one of the largest ships of her day, the Batavia was equipped with no more than four latrines" (p. 94 of my paperback copy).  If you were a ship's officer or one of the East India Company merchants or a socially high-ranking enough passenger, you stayed in the stern of the ship.  Life here only sucked very much.

If you were crew or a soldier or socially low-ranking, you stayed in the bow.  Unless your duty called you to the stern, it was a severe flogging offence for the scummy bow people to go on the other side of the main mast (which went all the way down to the keel).  You are a common crew member assigned to the bow section to live for months.  Living your life in the bow:  Which Is More Disgusting?

No. 1)  "The rest of the crew had to line up to use the remaining pair [of latrines] in the bow, which were nothing more than holes in the deck under the bowsprit. ... The only additional amenity was a long dung-smeared rope that snaked through the hole in the latrine.  The frayed end of the rope dangled in the sea and could be hauled up and used to wipe oneself clean."  OR

No. 2)  "Hard tack was the worst affected.  This twice-baked bread contained no fats or moisture and would keep indefinitely in normal conditions, though it was so dry it cracked teeth and had to be dunked in stew to make it edible.  Damp, it was easier to eat but became a perfect larder for the weevils that laid their eggs within and turned each piece into a honeycomb of tunnels and chambers full of larvae.  Each sailor who made the passage to the Indies learned to tap his ration of bread against the sides of the ship before he ate it, to dislodge the insect life within.  Any that remained were eaten anyway.  Novice seamen learned to distinguish the flavors of the different species:  weevils tasted bitter, cockroaches of sausage; maggots were unpleasantly spongy and cold to bite into."

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I've chosen that neither the sailor's nor the pirate's life is for me. After that, in a photo finish, #2 for the win of most disgusting.
What? I'm supposed to finish barfing?
This sounds a lot like a cruise I took in the 7os, third class on a Turkish ship. The public bathrooms were holes in the ship and you could see the sea below. I slept in my clothes because of the filthy mattress.
Both of your choices are disgusting! Have a better day!
What? Being keel-hauled across the barnacle encrusted hull of the ship is no option? Good god man, get back to work.
I have been reading a lot about trade ships this summer and colonial trade. How interesting, I knew about the icky hard tack but not about the wiper. Perhaps the sea water was good for hemorrhoids and the weevils good protein source. What did they do for scurvy?
What an unusual post I've stumbled upon! I abstain. ~r
I vote for "dung-smeared rope." I can't believe that's a sentence I typed out, or that I "voted" for it. What is the world coming to?
Midwest Muse - I saw cockroaches tasting like sausage to be a miniscule glimmer of hope. Then again, in 1628, who knows what their sausages tasted like.

Matt - lol. Hang your head over the rail.

Lea - Glad to hear the old sailing traditions are still practiced.

Jeff - For gross offenders, they'd be keel-hauled three times. The barnacles did a fine job shredding skin.

snarkychaser - Welcome and I don't know how we haven't crossed paths before. Only having 10 or fewer sailors die of scurvy before reaching the tip of Africa was considered a good start to the voyage.

Joan - How many well-written, emotionally deep posts can one read without a break?

BV - I'm here to expand your possibilties.
Here's the thing. When you're just reading about this stuff you can eventually close the book, suck on a peppermint and go to the dry cleaners. Here's something that's REALLY disgusting: Our cats would sometimes miss their litter box and spray shit on the wall. It was my job to scrape it off. Sometimes it was hard, sometimes still mushy. Years later, the mere smell of Soft Scrub makes me wretch. I'm just saying.
Stim:

(In China I've seen them do a "farmer blow" where they close one nostril and blow out the other onto the street)

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Have you read "To the Ends of the Earth" by William Golding (it's also a free movie on Hulu). There is a scene where they do the "crossing the equator" ritual, where instead of keel-hauling, they made a huge bath and dunked the poor preacher who made the mistake of going to the bridge and brought on the wrath of not just the Captain (who hated ministers) but it ended up with him getting (secretly) "buggered" in the end (from which he died from shame).

During the trial, someone snitched as to who did it, but they could not punish him because as the Captain explained to gentleman Talbot "Buggery is a hanging offense, and once the accusation is made there is no way to disprove it."

That's worse than no toilet paper....
This sounds a lot like a game my kids play: what would you rather do? The only way I'd choose one or the other of these things was if there was a gigantic prize involved. Otherwise I'd rather eat my own poop. And I'd rather die than do that. I mean really, there is no amount of money that could get me to do any of those things. Maybe I could do them so save someone's life but only if I knew that person. And liked them.
(Do you think the sailors realized how grosss this was or did they just accept it because bidets and croissants hadn't been invented yet?)
cydkatie - I know. Scraping cat shit off the wall is the worst job in the world.

Kate - I've seen the farmer's blow in China. Even after seeing, I couldn't really believe I just saw it. Then again I walked into a public loo in country China and saw our driver squating over a ... squatter chatting away with four or five guys who were standing around him.

Margaret - The book mentioned that during storms the latrines in the bow were closed, because they were an open doorway to waves. The sailors could either hold it or find a small, private place to drop their pants. Needless to say, the lower decks quickly smelled of urine and offal, which never aired out since there were no windows or openings to fresh air.
Re: cat poop: been there, scooped that.
poop stuck to your ass is definitely grosser than bugs in your food. I could get used to bugs, probably pretty quickly if it meant more protein on a lean diet.

As someone who cares wetwipes in their purse and has a cheap bidet hooked up to their toilet. The other...well, I can hold it a long time. I'm thinking years in that case. I'm no princess, but clean is clean, and necessary *blech*
there's a lot wrong with modern life, and I just read an article on all the horrors lurking in cruise ships. To which I can only say: BRING IT ON!!
Director of Studies - ... and breathed it deeply.

h-Julie - the ships brought cask meat along. They also start the voyage with livestock on board for fresh meat. Sadly, they didn't understand fresh citrus fruit.

Myriad - YEAH! After wiping your ass with frayed rope and eating weevils, these modern cruise lines think they're gonna intimidate us? Hell, no.
Definitely the rope. 'Cause you can pick out weevils and such...but what can you do about that rope?

Ugh...It's things like this that make me truly happy I'm not living in the 17th century (because there are some compelling arguments FOR living then, after all - the clothes, for one, or the poetry).
Alysa - You know what's great about the 21st Century? We can make 17th Century clothes using more comfortable cloth and all the crappy poetry from then was forgotten 300 years ago. But a dung-smeared rope is the same in any century.
I'd chose door number three: throwing myself over the rail and becoming shark chum. Yuck!!!!!!

Lezlie
L in the SE - Surprisingly few papers are written on the preventative medical benefits of becoming chum.
In China I've seen them do a "farmer blow" where they close one nostril and blow out the other onto the street

Among bike racers and long distance riders who don't want to stop for the inconvenience of nose blowing in more civilized way, that's known as a "snot rocket." The "rocketeer" attempts to avoid wearing the "rocket." If those behind him are lucky, it flies past instead of splattering them. Yes, this is usually a guy thing. I abstain from snot rocketing.

Aren't you glad to know that fun fact? ;)
bpb - I feel enlightened.