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Steve Klingaman is a nonprofit development consultant and nonfiction writer specializing in personal finance and public policy. His music reviews can be found at minor7th.com.

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MARCH 4, 2010 8:38AM

Double Dip: Will We Repeat 1937?

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      It looks like déjà vu all over again in the political dialogue of 2010.  On the economy front, Republicans blame an overreaching, overspending federal government for nearly all of our current ills.  Mitt Romney had the gall to imply that the stimulus package worsened the nation’s unemployment rate.  Disaster averted is a hard thing to prove.  Economists will debate the point for years to come.  But the charge that profligate government spending is responsible for all our ills seems sticky enough to anticipate it will become one of the top two issues this fall.

            That makes the present moment look a lot like 1936-37, when the Democratic administration got cold feet about recovery spending and brought on the Roosevelt Recession of 1937-38.  A panicky, self-doubting reaction to intense public criticism led the administration to cut popular, effective programs like the WPA, cut the monetary supply, and raise interest rates in a manner that choked off the economic recovery just as the nation regained parity with the pre-Depression conditions of 1929.  This second swoon led to a renewal of government intervention in 1938, but the pall was cast to last; the nation remained locked in a swoon until World War II kick-started the economy.

            Are we heading that way again?

            A talk presented at the Commonwealth Club of California last week by Nobel Laureate in Economics, Dr. Joseph Stiglitz of Columbia University offered a few glimpses into how current dynamics might veer in that direction.  The talk, hosted by Salon.com’s Andrew Leonard, offered a compelling display of common sense, professional insight, historical perspective, and political acumen on the part of Dr. Stiglitz.  Salon offers the video here.

           Stiglitz in Davos, 2009

  Stiglitz in Davos, 2009

      The former Clinton advisor and author of the new book, “Free Fall” can be described as a practical, somewhat conservative Keynesian, who knows where the bodies are buried.  As per the topic du jour, he was asked how the Tea Party movement will affect the debate on our future economic direction.  His response?  Government actions saved the U.S. from a depression.
            Stiglitz observed that people confuse TARP, which benefited the banks, with the stimulus package, which he saw as too limited but successful in averting further catastrophe.  Here’s how Stiglitz rated federal interventions to date on four fronts:

  • Stimulus:                          Too little
  • Mortgages:                        Too little
  • Banks:                                    Too much
  • Financial Regulation:             No decision

The Damaging Hangover of Bank Bailouts

            Stiglitz saw the Tea Party, or, more broadly, populist reaction to the bank bailout as justified in terms of process, perceptions, and outcomes.  And he pointed out that the bank bailout was largely the handiwork of the prior administration, a point also lost on most Tea Partiers.  How, he asked, are we to accept an $89 billion AIG bailout that doubled to $180 billion when we did not even know where the money was going?  Then, when we found out where it was going, we saw that Goldman Sachs, shadow broker of the deal, received $13 billion, the largest single chunk of cash.   Goldman was followed by German and French banks.  The amount of the bailout equals the amount spent on aid to developing nations by all developed nations over two years.  And it was done in the dead of night.  “Quite frankly,” he said, “We got cheated.”  What’s not to be angry about?

            That is water—a tsunami really—over the bridge.  If we pull back now, at a point when only 40% of stimulus funds have been expended according to Pro Publica, we stand to cause a double dip recession.  The Obama administration’s biggest error in judgment, according to Stiglitz, was to underestimate the depth of the recession, especially unemployment.  Though this led to unfortunate government projections, he points out that political realities left Obama no opportunity to implement an even larger stimulus package, which Stiglitz would have favored.

A Showdown of Narratives

            In the end, it all comes down to a story.  Stiglitz offers a compelling story of the meltdown and its intended remedies in “Free Fall.”  The Republicans, be it Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney, Ron Paul, or Tim Pawlenty, offer a story diametrically opposed in all its threads.  If the public buys their story, the story of what you might call the Cato School, we may be hopping into the Wayback Machine for the good old days of Roosevelt’s second inauguration, the Hindenburg, Amelia Earhart, Joe Louis, and gangsters galore.  Oh wait, I forgot to mention the Depression, Act Two. 

            Roosevelt flinched that year.  His rollback of governmental supports proved to be the biggest folly of his political career (well, okay, he did try to pack the Court).  Obama seems suspiciously subject to flinching.  If he were to face a Republican majority in either house, as now looks more likely than two months ago, maybe he too, like Roosevelt, would adopt Jim Bunning’s pay as you go mantra for a while.

            The theory that government spends in times of need and retrenches, or perhaps saves, in good times seems lost on us since Clinton.  (Not that I am, or Stiglitz, is letting Clinton and Larry Summers off the hook for repealing Glass-Steagall.)  Those of us on the progressive side of the fence cannot understand how it is that Disenfranchised Patriots have only now, after eight years of an unfunded war and profligate tax breaks, taken up the call for budgetary responsibility—even as so many of their demographic are benefiting from the extension of federal benefits on a variety of fronts.  Be that as it may, we are not likely to stem the tide of discontent regarding the current trajectory of economic remediation despite the aid of old lions like Stiglitz.

 

Republicans in the Wayback Machine:  The stick is jammed, we’re going down!  What year is it out there?

  

            We will face more foreclosures in 2010 than 2009.  Shall we pull the plug on government support? Employers will continue to lay off workers in many categories even as anemic hiring commences. Shall we pull the plug on government support?  States are flirting with budgetary doom loops. Shall we pull the plug on government support?  People with no recourse are going to become more desperate. Shall we pull the plug on government support?

            I rue the fact that Democrats govern as if they were still the opposition and Republicans oppose as if they were—well, I’ll let you finish that sentence.  Without muscle behind us, thinkers like Stiglitz will be shouted down in the town square despite this undeniable fact about their narrative:  it rings true. 

            I suppose it is his fate, Paul Volker’s too, to be painted as (my favorite Republican modifier here) wild-eyed Keynesians, when all these experts want—all we progressives want—is sufficient regulation of our banks, insurance companies, and brokers to prevent them from gambling with the house’s money.  For this we will be hounded down, while the Cato types in LaLa Land seem to reside in a purely theoretical universe.  This never ceases to amaze me; that their prescriptions are unsullied by the real world.  This is why I was so disturbed a year ago to find that so many signers to their cockamamie anti-stimulus manifesto [here] served in positions, past or present, related to the Fed.

            We are arguing with the wall here, even if the Old Guard of Wall Street, like John Reed, John Bogle, and others are largely in agreement. If Stiglitz is right, this meltdown was caused by “reckless, unfettered, risk-taking;” and to refuse to respond with government regulation is reckless.  The new opposition, the one that wants us to put the brakes on sensible recovery strategies, brings the fervor of an eighth-grade debating team with none of the subtlety.           

            Stiglitz boils it down to this question:  does pursuit of self-interest improve society?  His answer, nuanced as it is, is No. Stiglitz calls out unfettered self-interest, unregulated self-interest, irresponsible self-interest.  The opposing narrative says give us a tax cut and a promise the market will fix it.  But the market will not fix this.  The market will not make us whole.  The market will not reinflate the bubble.  The market will not correct its own distortions; instead it may magnify them.

            And in its wake, as left to its own devices, we may find ourselves crawling out of a deep double dip recession.  I don’t think we are ready to imagine that just now.  I think if we were to experience one of any severity, the wheels might just come off—or part way off—this little experiment of ours.  Some nations turn left in times of crisis.  Ours veers to the right.

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You can't regulate self-interest, that's a delusion. You're either for the common good or you're not.
Wow. There is a lot there. Some I agree with, some, not so much. Your ending about unfettered free markets strikes a chord, as it is not a binary or black and white situation. It comes down to degree. Having allowed for too little, our reaction is to perhaps put on too much. In putting on too much, it will freeze economic activity as those who are seeking to operate within the market sit on the sidelines waiting for the rules changes to become clearer.

That is part of that second Roosevelt act downturn, frankly. And there are some similarities today, but not necessarily the ones to which you refer. (This is to say YOURs are wrong, necessarily, just not what I would argue are ALL of the issues.)

Roosevelt for a time was intimating he was going to dramatically raise Corporate Tax rates and all of the rest. As a result, business was less inclined to invest given they had no real way of knowing what that cost was going to be. Without know the tax rate, you do not know the profit needed for the ROI analysis, etc, etc.

Well we have similar issues today based on the discussions around contracts and preferred stocks, financial regulations, executive pay caps, etc, etc, etc. This puts a pall over the investment markets. Some of the actions around GM have likewise done the same. The lack of an accurate pricing mechanism for mortgage backed securities freezes capital. Defaults will be at most about 12%, suggesting the bonds should sell at 88. If Gov is offering to buy them at 40, then no wonder banks hold them, for example.

So, yeah, there's a need for free market reforms (which is an ironic turn of word, I realize). But, until such time as the populist fervor tempers or the legislation gets put in place, then business is going to proceed cautiously. The flip side of that is the prospect of inflationary pressure once the dust settles. It will come on fast and hard.

So I do not argue that some of the "flinching" played a role. I would also argue some of the populist-drive sabre rattling did the same.

The other parallel here happens to be consumer expectations, which is a nice fuzzy variable to throw into this social science to explain away the disconnect that takes place as a result of it. You cut rates and investment should rise as cost of capital is lower. This did not work during the depression and has not worked now. It is the result of "expectation" both consumer and business. Consumers are rattled in their own right. Business may see a reasonable climate but also be wary of what new regulation might be coming forth to alter the landscape.

None of this should be construed as arguing against regulatory reform. It should be construed as a plea for tempering the rhetoric and thinking through the implications more thoughtfully about what is to be done. It's complex and ought not be used as a speech to whip up crowds already standing there with lit torches and sharpened tines on the pitch forks. :)
This is a very well thought out post.

I disagree with the notion that bailing out the banks was too much. It was right in general, and if some of the details are screwed up, the truth is it was all done at the very nick of time, on Sunday nights. Another week and there wouldn't have been a financial system to bail out.

However, the left is taking AIG/Goldman LACK OF DISCLOSURE AS EQUIVALENT TO PEDOPHILIA as a mantra, regardless of the facts, which are extremely complex and nuanced. Bailing shit out means that everything gets guaranteed, regardless of how deserving or undeserving. Not bailing them out means everyone goes down, regardless. That is the lesson of the early depression.

As far as what was spent, in the final accounting, AIG will not be that far under water. The rest of TARP will be profitable. Except for the car companies and their financing arms. That is a $60 + billion jobs bill for the UAW and friends. But thats why you win elections. To the UAW goes the spoils. And they can blame bankers to boot. It doesn't get any better than that.

As far as stimulus, the Republicans wanted a tax cut, and Democrats wanted infrastructure. The Democratic stimulus was WAY too slow. But the up side is there is a lot of it still unspent. So it will trickle out over time, without needing a vote.

We need more and faster.

The libertarian perspective took a near FATAL BLOW when TARP was passed by a Republican president with reluctant support by a Republican congress. This was and is huge. Free markets as ideology suffered a near fatal blow. It isn't just politicians, it is also economists and finance guys and regulators.

We won't hear the phrase "The Great Moderation" anytime soon. This can't be underestimated. The supposed self corrected aspect of free markets broke down, and there is a huge ideological vacuum. I would say that a lot of people agree that markets are partially self correcting, but they can spiral out of control. No one can deny it with any intelligence and conviction.

Here is what I see. I see very little difference between spending via spending and spending via tax cuts. Look for Obama to call stimulus spending Tax Cuts and try to funnel them to his constituents. This is not a problem, it is just politics. Steal the other side's rhetoric.

Mortgages???? The housing market has been massively bailed out. Current interest rates are 1/2 of what free market rates would be. This is a huge subsidy to support house prices.

So, in terms of spending, here is what happened:

1. TARP minus Auto Companies and AIG. Profitable.
2. AIG - Not that much after it is totally liquidated.
3. Auto Companies - $50 billion plus and counting, if you include their finance arms.
4. Fanny and Freddy - Creations of Congress, $50 to $100 billion plus massive subsidies.

I agree that we need more stimulus. Look for it to be called a tax cut.
You're right, and it is so simple. If we choke off spending, we will spiral down again. We have seen this play before. The G.O.P. is bent on choking out the middle class. Americans don't know their own history. It is tragic.
Thank you for this very thoughtful post. I clicked here because I noticed you were at my story. I will go see if you commented. But when I see you mention Amelia and Joe Lewis and FDR, I think you might like the photo/link essay I put up yesterday. Random but heart felt.

Many cheers. Rated. I just think we need Campaign Finance Reform -- big time. I don't think parties matter without it.
I agree with you, mostly.

But, I think we need to stop spending eventually and return to a free market. The white-house and Bernanke are a scary two-headed monster with more shady investments than Wall-Street.

We need to put the gold standard back into the dollar, abolish federal taxes, and close the federal reserve for good.

What caused the recession was greed. This same greed has a social club called the Bilderberg group. These men and women are our enemy.

The free-market should trump capitalism and trade agreements.

God save us all.
"like Roosevelt, would adopt Jim Bunning’s pay as you go mantra for a while."

It's not Jim Bunning's pay as you go mantra. Bunning was just pointing out what a bunch of two face liars the Democrat's are. They passed pay-go requiring new bills be "paid for". So what do they do with the first bill out on the floor? Yup, forgot they tried to look like they could control spending.
There ain't no republican't two faced liars, are there, catnlion?

Did you just start following the news, since a black man was elected or were you conscious during the previous eight years, too?


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good post
failure is not an option
markinjapan

Nope, I've been around for a long time.

I'm not happy with your side. I'm really mad at my side. They screwed up as much if not more than you side, and I'm really pissed off at them about it.

It's just pay-go is something y'all wanted them threw under the bus on the first bill out the door. What kind of BS is that?
BS. The bill did not have anyway to pay for it until a big stink was made of it.

You are the one who needs to study something.
Not so much 1937 U.S., more like 1927 Germany.
thanks for this post. I consider this for my new blog
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