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Saturn Smith

Saturn Smith
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Everything posted here, and more random thoughts, are also posted at my web site: http://kepkanation.com.

APRIL 18, 2011 4:47PM

American Taxes Could Be Worse: So?

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Matt Yglesias posted a familiar graph on Friday, showing how low American taxes are compared to those paid in other 1st-world countries. Basically, if you live in Norway, Denmark, and Sweden, other than enjoying a recent rebirth of your countries' mystery-novel exports, you spend your time sending quite a bit of your salary to the government. In exchange, you get lower budget deficits and national debt, higher levels of public services, and public-subsidized TV series that the U.S. rips off with abandon. (Seriously, watch "The Killing.")

This post reminded me very much of something my mother often says: "Well, it could be worse." This is true in just about every situation, and it is never, ever helpful to hear. When I sprained my arm in middle school and was -- not making this up -- sidelined from a promising intramural season of roller hockey, Mom kindly pointed out it could have been worse: I could have broken that arm. Many other kids, in fact, had broken their arms at that exact same skating rink! Didn't I feel better, thinking how unbroken my arm was?

Answer: no. I still couldn't skate. It sucked.

Shuttle LandingLikewise, if the case that progressives and liberals would like to make on taxes starts with, "So many other countries pay so much more," I don't think this argument is going anywhere. In fact, this is an argument that plays only to a crowd that is already convinced Americans should be paying a higher rate of tax comparative to GDP. This crowd is known as "the choir," and even if your graphs are black-and-white and read nowhere, they'll cheer and post them to Facebook.

Should Americans be paying more in tax? Yeah, probably so. I'd like to see more money available for public goods like schools and roads and mass transit projects. I'm not averse to more money showing up for scientific research, and I feel sad whenever I hear people bemoan their taxes in the same year that we're cutting the Space Program for a lack of government wherewithal to pay for it.

No one, however, is going to volunteer to pay more in taxes out of a feeling that, well, it could be worse. Instead, perhaps a campaign in showing everyone how much worse it could be -- we could be a nation without income taxes but with a 10 percent national sales tax! -- would be more effective.

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Yes, some people, like the Swedes or the Dutch, pay higher taxes; they get back MUCH more in return (universal healthcare, excellent schools, great public transportation, etc). Others, like the Taiwanese, pay lower taxes; they also get back MUCH more in return (universal healthcare, excellent schools, great public transportation, etc).

But Amercans can be proud of that 2nd-to-none military they're paying for!
Geez Saturn, this post seems unlike you. Its underlying premise are that taxes are a "bad" and more of them are worse. The U.S. is greatly undertaxed compared to most of Europe, all of Scandinavia, Canada and Australia. Yet these countires have high standards of living and several outrank the U.S. on those quality of life indices.

Taxation is better seen in the context of a trade-off between public versus private consumption. Your post acknowledges that in some places.

And while I'm all in favor of a sales tax, 10% won't be enough to offset the loss of income tax. Since all taxes tend to distort the underlying economic activity subject to the tax, it's best to have a mix: sales, income, capital gains, interest income, estate taxes etc.
Nah, I don't think taxes are a bad thing at all -- but I think some understanding of the way that those who do think taxes are always evil can only help promote the idea that, yes, we need to raise tax rates.
The best argument for higher taxes is that when taxes were MUCH higher -- say the Eisenhower years -- most people, and most especially Conservatives, thought things were MUCH better.
I send Tom Cordle. But great insight and writing as always.
There's a lot of selective evaluation going on here. It's easy to look at the good parts of the Swedish economy or the Eisenhower years and say we want that, while ignoring the rest.

"Most people" thought the Eisenhower years were much better? When women and minorities were shut out of most universities and good jobs?

In Sweden, youth (under age 25) unemployment is nearly 20%.

Sales taxes are easy for the rich and middle class to avoid. When sales taxes were high in Canada, Bangor airport was full of charter flights bringing plane-loads of sales tax avoiding Canadians (before the Canadians to Freeport, Maine to shop. Middle class Brits shop in Florida, the tax savings halves the cost of their trip to DisneyWorld.