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Saturn Smith

Saturn Smith
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Everything posted here, and more random thoughts, are also posted at my web site: http://kepkanation.com.

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AUGUST 18, 2009 6:43PM

Robert Novak Is Dead: Yay.

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One of the greatest obituaries I have ever read -- and I have read a surprising number for someone my age -- is still Hunter S. Thompson's obituary for Richard Nixon.  Titled "He Was a Crook," it begins:

MEMO FROM THE NATIONAL AFFAIRS DESK DATE: MAY 1, 1994 FROM: DR. HUNTER S. THOMPSON SUBJECT: THE DEATH OF RICHARD NIXON: NOTES ON THE PASSING OF AN AMERICAN MONSTER.... HE WAS A LIAR AND A QUITTER, AND HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN BURIED AT SEA.... BUT HE WAS, AFTER ALL, THE PRESIDENT.

This is how I feel upon the death of Robert Novak.  Not that he was a monster, necessarily -- though that argument could be made -- but that now is not the time to begin making apologies. Death seems always to be the moment when it becomes OK to gloss over the worst parts of a person's life.  That's unfair, not just to those affected by the worst parts of the dead man's character, but also to the dead man himself.  Robert Novak did things.  He believed in them.  They were bad.  That should not be forgotten.

It hasn't been, if the coverage is any clue.  Even the New York Times, admittedly a competitor to Novak's Chicago Sun-Times, couldn't resist a pretty hard kick at the end of its obituary.  So -- am I particularly heartless today?  No.  He had a family, and I'm sure they loved him, and I am sorry for their loss.  I'm also sure that, had we been acquainted, well, Mr. Thompson again said it best:

Nixon had the unique ability to make his enemies seem honorable, and we developed a keen sense of fraternity. Some of my best friends have hated Nixon all their lives. My mother hates Nixon, my son hates Nixon, I hate Nixon, and this hatred has brought us together.

Nixon laughed when I told him this. "Don't worry," he said, "I, too, am a family man, and we feel the same way about you."

Robert Novak championed causes I don't believe in.  He helmed political shows and created a style of punditry that helped make our cable TV discourse the shouting, deplorable mess it is today.  He outed a C.I.A. agent and he should have gone to jail

Slate makes a kinder case:

Although Novak's incessant championing of supply-side economics and his conservative persona on CNN's Crossfire and Capital Gang typecast him as purveyor of right-wing brain vomit, Novak's politics were more nuanced than those of the average Fox News Channel commentator. He was a dove on both Iraq wars and expressed misgivings about the Afghanistan invasion. He supported liberal immigration, called for a global economy, and backed free trade. He gave Gerald Ford hell during his presidency, later calling him "ill equipped for the job" in his book, and he carved out a critical-of-Israel position that sharply deviated from the conservative line.

Bravo.  But who is worse -- the man who supports a president because he deeply believes in his cause, or one who supports him in spite of major differences on issues like war and trade?  I think it is the man who sells his support for access.  I think it is the man who goes for the scoop over the truth.

I think it is Robert Novak.  Thompson:

These are harsh words for a man only recently canonized by President Clinton and my old friend George McGovern -- but I have written worse things about Nixon, many times, and the record will show that I kicked him repeatedly long before he went down. I beat him like a mad dog with mange every time I got a chance, and I am proud of it. He was scum.

Adios, Mr. Novak.  Though you will be missed, it will not be by me.

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Bravo! I love the comparative, in part because I'm am a fan of Hunter's. As strange as it may seem, Novak would be defending the things about himself people want to gloss over now that he's dead. We owe it to him to keep our opinions of him the same, alive or dead. Thanks for the post.
Thanks, Sarah! I was thinking as I re-read Thompson's obit -- he might have actually appreciated a lot of what Novak did, in a way.
Someone should have asked Hunter to write a premature obituary for a bastard like Novak. "Premature Obituaries" - I may have stumbled on the idea and title for my next post. Thanks Saturn.

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Ha! Send me a link if you do it, LittleWillie -- I'd love to read it.
Yeah, I never could figure out how Novak managed to get out of paying some kind of price for the Plame thing.

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I'd say perhaps he knew too many secrets about people, but Novak had a history of never holding back when he knew a secret, so... I'm mystified, too.
his last public act was a hit and run. his style all the way. I hate to say this, but he should have died in jail like the traitor he was.
yeah, i hardly ever feel good about feeling good about a death, but i have to admit i saw his demise today and smiled. good riddance.
It's a strange feeling, right? But yet -- an honest feeling.
I have to admit, his teeth were never my focus, but that's a scary image.
Ha! I had a momentary twinge of guilt over my own "Yay" when I heard the news. Then I said "Nope, no guilt" he sucked very badly in life. Like Dave said - like Saturn said - it's a strange feeling - but rare and justified IMO.
That malignant little gnome deserved a worse death than he got, but at least he's gone, and good riddance to bad trash. Novak's passing is a good thing for journalism, not that it'll make a real difference; the press is nothing but a raddled, flybown husk of what it used to be.
What a pitiful excuse for a human being Robert Novak was. He was so repugnant that I bet Satan thinks he was the hugest of assholes.
“Always love your country — but never trust your government!

“That should not be misunderstood. I certainly am not advocating civil disobedience, must less insurrection or rebellion. What I am advocating is to not expect too much from government and be wary of it power, even the power of a democratic government in a free country.

“Ours is one of the mildest, most benevolent governments in the world. But it too has the power to take your wealth and forfeit your life. ... A government that can give you everything can take everything away.” Robert Novak. R.I.P.
like meatloaf, you took the words right out of my mouth.
well done lady.
I won't argue that he had some writing chops, Deborah. What angered me is that he used them against interests he supported.
I second that emotion. Yay is right.
I am sure the consciousness of this man, who has now left the body-personality-politic is a hell of a lot more intelligent and global than the personality was. I am sure this consciousness is being informed right now that maybe some choices were not so great. I am also sure he is being encouraged to forgive himself. So let's forgive him and move on. After all--he's gone! And, unfortunately, there may be some more clones coming after him--so let's concentrate on them! And also, we might also want to take a look at some of those wolves in sheep's clothing! They are insidious and really dangerous~!
At least on that front, I still have my eyes on Bill Kristol, no doubt.
Yup. You got it, Saturn.
Finally! All these "nil nisi bonum de mortuis dicere" type that have been going around--since, oh, the Clinton Administration at least--whitewashing a cad's record (or worse, canonizing someone whose record is mixed at best, and yes I'm talking about Reagan), such as Nixon, or Tim Russert, or now Robert Novak, make me want to hurl.

Novak was an asshole. The fact that he was a consistent asshole does not detract from his basic penile-encephalopathy. I won't dance on his grave, but I'm sure as hell not sorry he's gone.
The be-ringed planet speaks for me.
This one makes me a little uncomfortable. Which is good. Now I know where my boundaries are. :)
OMG, Saturn, and I hadn't even read your Bill Kristol line yet! You're on a roll, girlfriend.
The one consolation about Novak in his old age was, that the outing of Valerie Plame took his horns in quite a bit. After that, he was never as in your face obnoxo as he had been in the past. I celebrate the fact that he died, as it's another brick falling down in the wall of small-minded American conservatism.
I did loathe the man...
Okay already, I'm glad he's dead! Sheesh.
Stamp his express ticket to hell.
They say that you shouldn't speak ill of the dead.

But where's the fun in that, when it comes to a nasty piece of work like Mr. Novak? No way am I going to soften my opinion of that rabid political hack now that he's dead. He did enough damage to last long after we, mercifully, forget about him.

(I apologize. Calling him a rabid political hack is an insult to rabid political hacks.)
Welcome, Lainey, to the stage called "acceptance." Strangely, in this case, it's the same stage as "anger."

zuma: ha! That made me laugh.
I disagreed with Robert Novak about almost everything. But until very recently, with the Valerie Flame affair, I would have characterized him as a man of principle, albeit often the wrong ones. I would certainly never have wished him dead. He wrote very well, he appreciated good literature, he funded scholarships at my current university, almost always for lefty students who could likewise write well. He was not scum. He was better than Nixon, better than Carlson, better than O'Reilly, better than Scarborough, better than Ed, for Chrissakes, and way way better than Tweedledum (Limbaugh) and Tweedledee (Hannity). And we can safely leave nut jobs like Michelle Malkin out of the discussion altogether.

Now I concede everything changed with the Plame felony, but that was only one example of behavior that had grown increasingly erratic, by his own standards as well as ours. Brain tumors don't appear overnight, nor do they wait until recognizable to have their effects. So I ask you Saturn, can you be certain more recent transgressions like his intelligence crimes were not owing to his brain condition? I can't. Remember: dead is for a long time; It should not be wished on anyone except for true, irredeemable villains...like Nixon.
Huh. You know, I'm not sure I'd say I wished him dead. I wished he'd stop. And though I'm glad to hear of his philanthropy, that wasn't the core of his public character at all. He was an angry, gossipy man on television. He helped popularize the genre of screaming matches that carries on to this day -- as the NYT obit says, he was on CNN starting with their first weekend. He mislead and obfuscated in his reporting and admitted his decisions were ethically shady, well before that behavior could be blamed on the brain tumor -- back in the Evans and Novak days, back when his column was considered news more than opinion. He did damage to journalism.

And I wrote in December that people should've left him alone once that was diagnosed, too -- I have total sympathy for the mental effects it may have had. I'm not sure I believe that Plamegate was part of that -- the Plame column ran in 2003, and he wasn't diagnosed until 2008 -- but his more recent interviews, yes, sure, I'm perfectly willing to challenge his record without those on it.
Nixon was far more vile, though Novak endured, like the fossil he became. I was shocked to hear he was still alive to die.
Now if washington would just grow balls....
Seems to sway toward an 'arrogance of power' dissertation-dozed off awaiting Maher on Madow after watching Matthews anxiously shout out a warning about all the gun slingers obscenely near a presidential town hall just after O'Donnell summarized potential Hill strategies....Hardball granted maybe five minutes to Novak; not even Buchanan sadden. I'd rather have had a beer with Spaulding Grey. Let's digress with a thread about God theory excluding afterlife. Novak was tormented and wrong. Let's not impose bad ju-ju by overlooking his penchant for aphorism. Ever hear that sound? No progress playing checkers when the game has shifted to 3D chess. I'm also reminded when Ross Perot saw Viet Namese phantoms on the lawn; and I don't know why. :) There's a godawful tit for tat going on and some afternoons the rain is hot with particulate.
Wonderful post, Saturn, thanks.
While I disagreed with most of Novak's opinions and motives, I am really uncomfortable with most of these comments. Novak was a hard-working, traditional, conservative journalist who deserves a little more respect, at least for a few days. Geez, he's not even cold yet and most of the comments here use words like "traitor," "asshole," "glad he's dead." No one ever had to support his positions and no one had to like him, but I don't remember him doing anything more than taking a position (however opposite mine or most of us) and sticking to it. I think you all need to breathe and if you're glad he gone, so be it. The guy suffered a miserable death with brain cancer, and most everyone here is in line to happily piss on his grave. I never liked him or his work, but this is (mostly) beyond disrespectful.
Novak was a traitor to his country and was so well connected he was untouchable.
Most of these posts make me think of my dad's warning to me: if you get into a pissing match with a skunk, you both come out smelling. Now I would have to qualify that: when you get into a pissing match with a dead skunk, only one of you smells.

RIP Novak, you've won this round.
I am no apologist of Novak and certainly never agreed with much of what he espoused. He is a contradiction in terms though. He started his journalism career as a sports writer but shifted to news when that didn’t pan out for him. He converted to Catholicism from Judaism. He was an Army lieutenant in the Korean War, a registered Democrat in the 60’s and friends with John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson. He supported the Palestinian effort and was sharply critical of Israel. He recently supported Ron Paul. Don’t forget that Richard Armitage and Karl Rove have their hands all over the Plame outing. This one went to the very highest levels of government and the final chapter has yet to be written.

With all that said, I never liked the guy. Good post on your part and I appreciate that you stuck your neck out a little and just said what many are thinking. And I’ve enjoyed the comments too. Now back to that damned day job of mine.
Well done!! Great post! Rated. You said it all!
"Yeah, I never could figure out how Novak managed to get out of paying some kind of price for the Plame thing. "

Because you idiot, he didn't do anything wrong on the "Plame thing." When are you morons going to smarten up?
I just can't wait for the slobbering that will surely take place when Ted Kennedy finally goes Tango Uniform. It should be some sight.
Twice yesterday I was tempted to comment on this post, even going so far once as to draft a comment. Both times I resisted. This morning, I feel the need again because I'm just a bit uneasy about the celebratory tone that I'm picking up from this post and some of the comments.
I was no Novak fan. And while I am not mourning his passing neither am I celebrating it.
It's as though there has been some kind of spontaneous chorus of "Ding Dong the Witch is Dead" which has erupted with a presumption that Novak was some kind of leader of a flock of flying monkeys defacating evil on all of us poor munchkins like a flock of pigeons on a statue.
I don't feel the need to exclaim "Yay" over this event just like I didn't when Nixon resigned or when he died even though both of these individuals represented a viewpoint and approach which I find reprehensible. In my experience it has been the so-called "neo-cons" who gloat rather than those who classify themselves on the "liberal" side.
For anybody still reading, I apologize if this has offended or alienated you.
I'm glad the title on the "front page" is changed. Saturn, you made it clear in your post that you feel for his family and friends - great. I wish the title of the blog post would also change.
I hate to think of anyone I like and respect saying "Yay." when noting a death of someone they disagreed with, never mind someone they don't know.
It seems beneath you, and beneath a lot of the commenters, to be dancing on his grave.
Many people have made points about Novak - for and against - really eloquently. His life is up for grabs.
His death is not.
No one gets a thrill out of speaking ill of the dead (at least I don't), but why falsely hide how we feel about someone that we really disliked. I feel for his family, or the ones who loved him (if they did indeed) but the man was a menace with words. A bully. A curmudgeon. This is not speaking ill of the dead, but the truth.
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Yah Bill Kristol scares me too--he's so cute and personable. Unlike Novak who looked as if his skin were purchased at a leather shop. Watch out for the cute ones--Sarah Palin too--they get followers based on charisma and looks.
Novak was a liar and a coward. He had the arrogant self-righteous narcissim to commit treason and the gutlessness to deny it afterwards. Rot in hell.
I feel like I'm in some alternative Fox News space! Rot in Hell? Can we get over the blowhard blowhardiness and get back to facts?
Scrape him over the coals as much as you want - I'm educated by every comment - but leave his death out of it!
I personally, would hate to see anyone from his probably wide ranging group of family and friends read comments like that.
And the many other comments that are calling names and making big pronouncements about his evil life and words.
He was a journalist, for cricks sake.
How about saturn takes the "yay!" out of the title, people talk about their hate through criticizing his work, and we leave all the references to hell isn't good enough for him back there, in the previous comments.
Becuase I'm losing faith in OS, seeing how quickly people like to jump on to trashing someone ( I'm not talking about any posts that offered analysis) and saying "Rot In Hell.".
Saturn, I never said Plamegate was part of his medical condition. I asked if you can be sure it wasn't. And judging from your answer, you can't be sure. The rest of Novak's career may have bred disagreement, dislike, even loathing. It may have, as you say, cheapened political discourse (though no more than his many lefty interlocutors like Kinsley and Begala and Eleanor Clift). But the Plame affair was the only truly villainous mark on that career, and if there is a chance he wasn't entirely responsible for his actions, then I think you should think twice before verbally pissing on his grave.
We shouldn't be cheering the deaths of people just because they are curmudgeons we happen to disagree with. Where would that leave H.L. Mencken and Evelyn Waugh? Everything you would say about Novak--he was mean, he was vindictive, he was cowardly, he was ugly, he was troll like, he was given to rants-- could be said about shadenfreud party you all are having with his memory.
Count me in Saturn. Nixon was avile spiteful arrogant shit of the first degree. Novak was as big a scumbag as he could get away with.
Pre-obituaries...My mouth watereth.

I particularly loved the last line of this post. I won't miss that sack of spider puke either.
Man, I really don't want to comment again, but... much of what I'm reading is truly disturbing and displays the usual pack mentality that leads the neo-cons and the liberal leftists around by the nose. Uninformed, weak-minded, mean and cliched.

I swear, I never liked his work and never completely trusted him, now but he's being treated as though he slept in a coffin of dirt during the days and sucked the blood out of innocent children at night. Oh, wait, that's Cheney, but he's still alive so I can't say anything mean.

Most of you have truly gone off the deep end, puking your anger out over a dead body and writing some things that are so awful that I hope when you die no one writes or says the same things. You know who you are... grow up and move on.
"Robert Novak committed treason"

Take it up with prosecutor Fitzgerald.
Robert Novak is Dead: Yay.
Robert Novak is Dead: Yay.
Robert Novak Is Dead: Yay.

Yay. How is his death better for everyone. He was a tyrant who kept people from exercising their basic rights? He made sure that his goal in life was to torture people and make their lives miserable?

Or maybe he was a fragile, fucked up human being who deserves a little bit better than the OS death squad!
because he has just been sent to Hell, crucified, shot and sent to other unsavory deaths here, at this point.
WTF - stop the rhetoric.
it's making me sick.
What you said. Although I have to admit his death brought some ambivalence due to my "don't speak ill of the dead" upbringing, I found myself saying good riddance to bad rubbish. Two trite expressions in one sentence; I could be a cable news pundit.

Loved all the Thompson excerpts. Rated.
Robert Novak was a policy pimp for the Republicans and the Bush administration. He and others in the American media helped to destabilize Haiti. He helped to soften up Haiti's elected leader Aristide in order for the US to send in the clowns to uproot Haiti's first democratically elected President and install the brutal puppet government of Gerard LaTortue. Novak's and the US media's disinformation campaign was effective. Haiti is under occupation by the UN *Stabilizing* Mission to Haiti or MINUSTAH. First they destabilize, then they send in occupiers to *stabilize*, that is the method of control.

There is a lesson here for the US. I wonder if it is "the chickens always come home to roost" or is it "injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere" or both?
Great commentary Saturn!
I couldn't muster up any sympathy for him.
He's dead. You don't have to muster anything.
He is not guilty of every single thing that zen Haitian talks about.
he's probably guilty of a lot of things, but, y'know, is it neccesary to say things like "I would spit on his grave' to make your point?
Isn't that sort of awful?
And also belaboring the point?
Saturn Smith might die. Yay. Get it?
aim is right. I'm back to my original position. Not that anyone cares.
Dancing on the grave of the dead? Who will dance on your grave Saturn?
aim might die. Yay!
I don't want anyone to die. Especially with "Yay!" as an epitaph.
I get what Aim's saying, and it speaks well of her that she said it. But does the fact of a person's death make me have any more sympathy for the shitty things they did while alive? Nope, not a chance. Novak chose to say the things he said and to do the things he did, and it's good that he's gone if you ask me. If you want nice obituaries lead a nice life is what I take away from all this.
I'm wondering how many people here calling Novak an asshole and painting him as an evil man actually met him.

I have. Multiple times. Robert Novak was an alumnus of my alma mater. We often did events where we would get a bunch of alumni together to discuss political issues. We'd have panelists like Dan Balz, Roger Simon, Hal Bruno, and Novak.

I got to meet and know Novak at a much deeper than the typical grip and grin level through those events. And while I disagreed with pretty much everything that Novak believed in -- well, we did cheer for the same alma mater so no, that's not true -- I have to say that he was a pretty good guy.

We had an event where we discussed among other things, social security. I got up and addressed the panel and said that I had no problem with older folks getting their social security but I wanted to be sure that folks like me would get ours, too. Novak came to me after the event, when he could have just walked out the door, and chatted with me.

That's the Bob Novak I'll remember. Yes, he was wrong to out Valerie Plame. And no, I'll never agree with him that invading Iraq was right.

But as a person, not a political pundit, he seemed just fine.
It goes beyond outing Valerie Plame for me Tony. I can't speak to what sort of a person Novak was personally, and I have no reason to doubt what you say. I've never thought he was evil as such, but that's beside the point to me and millions of other people who can only go by what he said and did in the public arena. He lied to us, and he helped validate the lies of those who wanted to mislead the nation into starting an unjust, unnecessary war. He has blood on his hands in my opinion, and as someone who had a role in empowering the Bush administration to invade Iraq, an action which as far as I'm concerned has helped to ruin this country, Novak gets nothing from me but contempt and loathing.
And now he's dead, nanatehay. RIP and all that.
I think it's GREAT to hear everything everyone has to say, but "I spit on his grave.." etc. demeans the dialogue.
he maybe was a decent guy, he maybe was a seriously flawed human being, he was instrumental in some shitty stuff, and he should be discussed at length.
I know you know, but I just want everyone to back off from those sweeping generaliztions that feel good when you type it but look silly in the light of day.
Call me emo, but I'm still going to stand up for his family and friends, who don't need to see anything like the title of this blog.
I guess I don't say "yay!". ever, when someone dies.
And believe me, I have had reason to celebrate death, but a concious person never makes that a part of their consciousness.
There is never any 'Yay!" in death.
Thanks for listening, Saturn, Nana and everyone. I know I have hijacked the blog, and I hope you understand why. Thanks.
A Traitor, pure and simple.
The "Prince of Darkness" died of brain cancer. Get the connection?

A poisoned mind has consequences.
He has blood on his hands in my opinion, and as someone who had a role in empowering the Bush administration to invade Iraq, an action which as far as I'm concerned has helped to ruin this country, Novak gets nothing from me but contempt and loathing.
nanatehay
August 19, 2009 09:26 PM

Actually Bob Novak was against invading Iraq.
Despicable post. I wish I could say it's unworthy of you.
Written in the style of Sheriff Smith:

Teddy Kennedy is about to die. Yay. Soon Michael Phelps will be unchallenged among the world's great swimmers.

How does that feel?

Hypocrisy reigns as always.
For all practical purposes Novak "died" the day his tumor was diagnosed. In fact I forgot he was still alive.

As much as he tried to avoid it, Novak now joins the majority of us - those whose deaths (and lives) will only be remembered by our families and friends. I think even the Slate article predicted that there would be no book collections of Novak's columns published.

So I guess I'm a more bemused by this death than anything. I've always wondered what he really thought his legacy would be?
I worked for Jack Anderson for a while. Did a two day column (that was unusual) about CIA gun running to Ghana, of all places. I was kind of old to be working there, so I had a memory of the ilk.

When Novak had the column with Evans, it was known throughout DC as "Errors and No Facts". Just so you know.
Robert Novak visited my newspaper's office in 1996. He was trailing around our district's Republican Congressional candidate for the day and sat in on the editorial board interview. He took a seat in the corner and didn't say a thing.
aim, I understand your point of view and sympathize with it. I'm not turned off of the headline, though, particularly by the thought of someone writing Saturn Smith Is Dead. Yay. someday. I'll stand by what I said above -- it's offensive to someone's memory to immediately dismiss the things they did because they are dead. If I so deeply offended someone with my work that they would celebrate its cessation, well -- if I stood behind it with the vehemence that Novak stood behind his own work, I think I'd be glad to see that level of reaction.

I think nanatehay's comments above nicely sum up my thoughts, too. Thanks for those.
Principled, but dead wrong. Alot like Novak in his prime. And like Novak deserving of better than simple contempt, dead or alive.