A POST-MORMON LIFE

Life after leaving the Mormon Church

Rachel Velamur

Rachel Velamur
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February 15
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Born and raised in a strict Mormon family. I write about what life was like as a Mormon and what my life is like after leaving.

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AUGUST 8, 2012 9:54AM

Mormon Modesty And Shame

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          I went clothing-shopping with a friend yesterday.  I have a phobia of clothing-shopping - nothing ever fits and all of the cute outfits are not designed for my body type.  But my wardrobe is becoming a ragged affair of tattered jeans, worn-out dress pants, and pitiful shirts.  My friend is also very good at finding clothing to flatter your body type.  We walked into a store that was having a sale on jeans.  I picked out a pair of boot-cut jeans and headed to the dressing room.

          Trying on the jeans, I felt an overwhelming sense of embarrassment.  The jeans were too tight and the thought of going up another size was a devastating blow to a woman already struggling with body-esteem issues.  

          “How are the jeans?” my friend asked, her voice coming from the adjacent dressing room.  

          “Um - they’re OK.” I said, my voice small.  What the hell I thought - I walked out into the common area of the dressing room, tight jeans on display to the world.     

        “Do you think these jeans are too tight?” I asked.   

          My friend walked out and a look of shock appeared on her face.  “Oh my goodness!” she said, a note of surprise in her voice.  “You look so thin!”  She kept looking at me, looking at the jeans I felt so embarrassed to wear.  “You look completely different - I never knew your legs are so thin!”

          I blushed, embarrassed but also pleased.  And I was reminded, once again, of how different my up-bringing was and how the teachings of Mormon modesty - especially womanly modesty - still lingers in me to this day.  

          Starting at age twelve, once I was inducted into the Mormon Church’s Young Women’s program, the lessons on modesty and chastity began in earnest.  I was never taught about the mechanics or pleasures of sex - I was taught that my virginity was a precious asset that should be preserved as a gift for my husband.  I was also taught that my appearance needed to be modest at all times.  Mormon women are raised to be example of modest femininity - pretty but not sexy.  

          We were all given a pamphlet - “For The Strength of Youth”.  This pamphlet was considered the ultimate resource for the standards by which we were expected to live.  An entire code of living was described in this booklet.  There was the directive to dress modestly at all times - no tight clothing, no sleeveless shirts, no low-cut tops, no shorts or skirts above the knees, no shirts that exposed the stomach.  Sometimes I would flout the rules, only to feel guilty for doing so.  We were also strongly advised against any intimate premarital behavior that would arouse passionate feeling.  As girls, we were counseled to dress modestly to avoid arousing lustful thoughts in men.  

          For girls’ camp one year, a Mormon police officer came to teach us self-defense.  After the lesson, he start talking about the prevention of sexual assault.  He told us “Some of the prevention of sexual assault is in your hands.  The more immodest your appearance - extra earrings, tight clothing, low-cut tops - the more you expose yourself to the risk of assault.”  I was fourteen and I nodded along with him in approval of his message.  As an adult, I remember all of the times that members said something similar and I wonder just how much the indoctrination still lingers.  

I ended up buying two pairs of the jeans.   

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Some of the things you so rightly refer to here as "indoctrination" have a way of staying with us. As you know my doctrinaire religion was Catholicism. Patent leather shoes always make me pause...and smile. The nuns believed boys could see our panties reflected in the shine. Listen to your friend as long as the jeans don't feel uncomfortable for you.

Lezlie
I bought two pairs! And today in my writer's workshop, I got a comment from a 70-year old woman that I was "finally wearing pants that fit me". (She is a very sweet lady and very well-mannered - I think if she approves, most people would approve.)
Good for you! Modesty has its place, but so does sexy. Take that friend out and buy some tops too.
Thanks jlsathre! I think I will. :)
The cop forgot one extremely important detail - sexual assault is not about sex or even remotely connected to alluring appearance.

I’m very fortunate; my wardrobe preferences include four things - cotton shorts, sleeveless cotton shirts, white sox and tennis shoes. I do have green, blue and red shirts along with red, blue and green shorts, so I can mix’em up a bit to really dazzle the other chubby old folks in the neighborhood, but the daily decisions of what to wear are just too ruthless first thing in the morning so it’s; grab a shirt a pair of shorts and out the door without too much thought.

If there's a god, he/she/it apparently liked what it did with women, otherwise men wouldn't like what they see so much so; if you've got it, flaunt it and be godly :-)

Wear’em proud Mohindu.
Will do Bob! Maybe I'll even sip Coronas and pretend I am in the Caribbean while I am at it. :)
Awesome! Proud of you, girl. Nicely written, too.
Enlightening story. It's fascinating to me how there is so much male-controlled concern with female sexuality in the Mormon faith. Given its polygamous origins I can only imagine a largely repressed and developmentally-arrested group of elders; but, I don't want to read too much into your post. I appreciate reading your insights and perspectives.
Why are religions so obsesses with sex? I got a bunch of fucked up attitudes from growing up Catholic. The nice thing is, you get more of a charge out of breaking the rules when you finally do. Enjoy your jeans.
Good for you on the two pair. Just don't buy any extra id-arousing earrings to go with them. That would be soo wrong. And congrats on the Editor's Pick! r
Good for you on the two pair. Just don't buy any extra id-arousing earrings to go with them. That would be soo wrong. And congrats on the Editor's Pick! r
Grif said, "...there is so much male-controlled concern with female sexuality in the Mormon faith." Not just Mormons, but every religion. And secular concern too. Male-dominated society concentrates on controlling women rather than themselves.

Nice post, Post. It's something we all struggle with.

And hey, Boomer, in nature males tend to "dress up". Not fair that in our species the men can just put on whatever's closest on the floor while women have all these external and internal concerns. (Tho at my age, I tend to dress man-style, from the floor wardrobe.)
Firechick: Thank you!

grif: I really do think the modesty requirements are extreme. Personally, I think true modesty is about dressing to flatter who you are as a person and wearing clothes that you feel comfortable in. But there is a very strict code within Mormonism that is quite arbitrary in its requirements.
good for you! show off those skinny gams!
sure there are predators in the world, but i doubt they choose
their victims by what they wear.they have a sickness
that will focus on a certain 'type'. Doesnt matter if she
is walking around in modest clothing or not.
In fact, i bet some predators get their kicks from that.

But why think of predators?
time to be a woman who is proud of her curves and her
beauty. there is so little beauty in the world.
the beauty of a soul resides in his/her eyes.
Look at the world without fear.
God made women lovely.
Why would he do that if He wanted them to hide it?
I probably sound like a letch, which i certainly can be at times,
but again, so what? women are letches too.

the reason they want you to hide your femininity is because
they fear it.

there is nothing more powerful than a confident beautiful woman
without stupid religious ideas of propriety and
hiding god's gifts bestowed on her.

Modesty is a mental thing.
You can be hanging out on a beach in a string bikini
and still be modest.

modest means, "having a moderate estimation of one's talents,
abilities, and values." nothing to do with skin.
good for you! show off those skinny gams!
sure there are predators in the world, but i doubt they choose
their victims by what they wear.they have a sickness
that will focus on a certain 'type'. Doesnt matter if she
is walking around in modest clothing or not.
In fact, i bet some predators get their kicks from that.

But why think of predators?
time to be a woman who is proud of her curves and her
beauty. there is so little beauty in the world.
the beauty of a soul resides in his/her eyes.
Look at the world without fear.
God made women lovely.
Why would he do that if He wanted them to hide it?
I probably sound like a letch, which i certainly can be at times,
but again, so what? women are letches too.

the reason they want you to hide your femininity is because
they fear it.

there is nothing more powerful than a confident beautiful woman
without stupid religious ideas of propriety and
hiding god's gifts bestowed on her.

Modesty is a mental thing.
You can be hanging out on a beach in a string bikini
and still be modest.

modest means, "having a moderate estimation of one's talents,
abilities, and values." nothing to do with skin.
I'm only laughing because I grew up in that same Mormon Church more than a few years ahead of you, when we popularly wore granny dresses down to the ground in the 60's and 70's. When I first attended BYU, we couldn't even wear pants, let alone jeans (which are now allowed on campus, along with caffeine free Diet Coke). We had to wear long sleeves and high necklines, and couldn't wear two piece swimming suits (unless they were swimdresses). We were instructed to carry a dime in our shoe on dates (I never did understand what this was for, but it was at a time when pay phones were popular and cellphones completely nonexistent). I do occasionally visit Mormon churches with family members these days and see the very rare woman wearing a pantsuit, but it is still very much the exception and not the rule. The floor length granny dresses are long gone, but popularly girls and women in the church still wear t-shirts under sundresses, a look you won't find much of anywhere else. Prom and wedding dresses in that culture will always be more modest. During that time, however, many things regarding dress have changed. Thanks for your piece.
Good for you buying 2 pairs of jeans! It's sickening, but not surprising, the Mormon police officer partly blamed women for being assaulted because of immodest clothing. That kind of indoctrination would be hard to shake.
Sirenita: Love your name! And the attitudes towards sex and women within conservative religions is pretty depressing sometimes - it's good to try and be aware of what's going on.

Daniel: Those dangerous earrings!
You forgot to mention that it is not just women who are encouraged to save their virginity until they are married, men are as well. However, this is nothing new to religion. Anyone who believes in God and strives to follow HIS commandments believes in chastity and virtue. As far as modesty is concerned, I suppose one reason to be modest would be to discourage men from having inappropriate thoughts/actions, but it is mainly as a way to show respect for ones self and for God. It isnt a double standard, God's commandments are for all His children, male and female.
For some reason the author seems to think there is a problem with modesty. In my opinion it would be a completely different world if everyone respected themselves and others and were modest.
As far as the author's poor self esteem or body image, or whatever she was referring, that is not a result of her past "Mormonism". It's a struggle women of all races, religions, creeds etc struggle with today. Perhaps she missed the lesson on being a daughter of God? Our sense of worth and self esteem ought to come from a testimony of that FACT. It's a lesson too many people dont learn. Unfortunately some seem to think their self worth comes if they are a certain size or have "thin legs", instead of who they ARE.
So glad you bought the jeans. ~r
Daniel: Actually, when I was fifteen I attended a talk where the leader of the Mormon Church (Gordon B Hinckley) specifically told the women they were not to wear more than one earring in each ear. So perhaps I will be scandalous and wear TWO earrings in each ear. :)
James: Thank you. And I do think modesty is more about feeling comfortable with who you are and selecting clothes that flatter your individuality, rather than adhering to an arbitrary set of rules.

Myriad: Thank you! I am also more of the "pick up the clothes from the floor and wear them" type as well. So to buy pants that actually show that I have legs, rather than baggy jeans is a big deal for me. I actually had a woman in my writing class - 70, very sweet, raised to be a proper Southern woman - tell me that I was "finally wearing pants that fit properly. So I consider these jeans a success! :)
God for you!

I hate it that the cop insinuated that dressing sexy provokes sexual assault. I guess that's why little old ladies get raped while sleeping in flannel pajamas!!
Great post! Hooray for jeans that fit! I hate that idea that assault is a woman's fault. I've been assaulted wearing sweats on my walk home from work, and assaulted wearing a winter jacket and jeans, but never in a sexy outfit. In the sexy stuff, men tend to be extremely respectful, even more so than when I put less effort in my clothes.
Commenting in reference to a particular grey avatar up ^ there - no, it's not because of low self-esteem. However, I do believe that religious hang-ups involving modesty (such as what I'm grappling with, myself) do help contribute to a type of feeling of shame and makes us feel bad about ourselves when we want to do something other than that of which we're being indoctrinated to do. This feeling could possibly be confused with low self-esteem, but since I know where PMG is coming from, I can attest to what she's speaking of. As for the "no more than one earring per ear" thing, PMG, you're right... lol... when I was going through my separation (and quite inactive), I was angsty and wanted to show my anguish through some type of body mod so I wound up getting 3 additional holes per ear in one night... cheaper than a tatt. When I mentioned something yesterday at church, in lieu of trying to find a good place to get my daughter's ears pierced, I mentioned (without thinking), "well, I got my bottom set done at (blah blah)" and I saw the church member's face jerk up to see my ears up close and saw them look unpleasantly surprised that I even had the extra holes, regardless or not of whether they were sporting earrings... funny how things are... still trying to figure stuff out. Such is life!