Philip Rodgers

Philip Rodgers
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Georgia,
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April 11
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Searching for the path in the best way I know how

NOVEMBER 22, 2009 12:22AM

Finding Buddha...

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Finding Buddha Part 2

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My entire life has revolved around “The Bible Belt”.  I grew up in a Southern Baptist household.  Not just any household, but one in which the patriarch of the family was the pastor of the church we all attended.  My grandfather instilled in our entire family a fundamental Southern Baptist ethic.  Then, well, we all rebelled in our own distinct ways.

Some worked their way back into the church, sowing wild oats and then returning to the comfort of what they knew.  Some simply left and, to this day, never looked for or wanted any spiritual guidance at all.  Then there’s me.  I’m the one that spent his entire life searching for something - anything -  that simply felt “right”.

Growing up, I wanted so badly to be just like my Paw-Paw.  I wanted to have that same peace and conviction he showed daily.  I tried.  I would watch him study, constantly reading, praying, rereading; I would do the same.  I would read books from the church library.  I would try to pray every day, waiting for that Moses moment, that moment when God was going to talk to me through my own burning bush.  I still haven’t heard Him.

Perhaps it's just a lack of faith.  Perhaps I’m just plain doing it wrong.  But I've never seemed to get the whole talking to God thing.  My grandfather did though.  I've never seen him use as much as a notecard when he was giving a sermon.  He would just read and study and pray all week, then on Sunday mornings,  he would mark some passages in his Bible he was going to use and that was it.  More often than not by the time he was ready to deliver the sermon he would be “lead by the Spirit” and change everything he prepped for.  He is simply the best religious teacher I have ever met. 

I, on the other hand, must be the worst student because I just never was comfortable with the Baptist "accept and believe" mentality.  I would ask questions we've all asked like “Why is alcohol bad when Jesus turned water into wine?”  The stock answer was “it wasn’t the same kind of wine”.  (Yeah right.)  Later in my life I would actually have the privilege of serving our country in Israel and I visited a winery that was supposed to be over 1000 years old.  Trust me it’s the same wine.  I was always that way too inquisitive for a Southern Baptist.  While in college, I joined a fraternity and was exposed to all sorts of religions and made a point of going to as many different churches as possible.  I felt that I was definitely a Christian but I didn't know where I fit in any of the traditional churches. 

Here comes the point at which I start to give my opinion on the major Christian denominations.  (It is my opinion so if it offends you I am very sorry, but my experience has formed these opinions.  Here goes.) Church of Christ, Church of God, Pentecostal -  couldn’t do it.  The only church I have ever been in with snakes is a Pentecostal church in Cleveland, Tennessee.  I won’t be doing that again. Ever.   CoC and CoG are almost as bad, very fundamental and certainly wouldn’t have liked to have me argue doctrine with them.  Episcopal – didn’t feel like church.  It was very intimidating for a visitor.  Catholicism – a lot of work to figure out that it doesn’t matter how you act as long as you ask a priest for forgiveness and recite some prayers for contrition. 

When I joined the military I volunteered to serve as a lay leader in basic training which meant I got to lead everyone to the chapel on Sundays, and lead a prayer time every evening in the barracks.  It was kind of cool, very non-denominational and everyone became a church-goer in basic just to get away from the Drill Instructors for two hours.  

After basic, my first duty station was Korea.  I loved it.  I took every opportunity to soak up as much of the culture as I could.  It was there that I had my first introduction to Buddhism, but it didn’t mean too much to me then other than it was simply a part of the Korean lifestyle.  I toured a monastery with the largest Buddha statue in Korea and was impressed with how at peace and benign the monks were in their daily life.  It greatly affected my view of what spiritualism was because by this point I had adopted my father's view of religion - just couldn't do the rules of organized religion.  He'd even built himself a cabin in the woods that he called his Chapel.  He didn't go to church, he made his own church.  And when he was at home he'd wake up on Sunday mornings and watch church on TV while drinking beer.  He practiced his own kind of spirituality.  

Later, when I returned to the States, some friends of mine were going to a church in Clarksville, TN where we were stationed and talked me into going with them.  It proved to be the best day of my life.  I met my wonderful wife that morning.  It was love at first site and in barely a month after we met we decided to get married.  My soon to be wife was asked if she was pregnant because we wanted to be married so quickly. (She nearly hurt herself laughing.)  And we were told that in order to be married in the church where we met, we first were required to attend "training"  classes, and were also not to have have sex until we were married.  The "training" classes were more of Southern Baptist Inquisition - making sure were both Saved (When, Where, etc. and what our sexual history was, what our plans were for the future for our family, our religious plans, etc.).  We tried to be very active in the church, but the organization of organized religion had reared its ugly head to such a degree that we simply couldn't agree or be comfortable in any setting.  

Several times over the years we have tried to start attending church regularly but the politics of church just turn one or both of us off.  She believes one thing, I believe another.  She cannot abide organized religion and is convinced it is evil, a danger to us all.  I knew nothing but organized religion, it was my heritage. So church together was out of the question; we became heathens. 

I searched for something, a spiritual peace I knew was to be found, and I missed having a place to called a church home.   I kept trying to figure out the best way to find what I was looking for.  I looked into many different religions and belief systems, I thought about non-denominational churches but they seem to be too much flash and fun, with no doctrine or guidance.  I started attending a local Lutheran church by myself.  I enjoyed the services but there just didn't seem to be a sense of purpose other than a place for suburbanites to spend Sunday morning so they could say they went to church.  So I quit again. 

I found myself becoming very depressed during this time - severely depressed.  Looking back I believe a lack of a spiritual compass didn’t help but it wasn’t the sole reason for the depression.  I was sick and getting worse.  Panic attacks, a very real apathy about life -  just a general screwed up view on life.  The depression spiraled out of control and led to me being hospitalized.  While there I learned some things which have changed my life for the better. 

The psychiatrist I was seeing shared a quote from Epictetus with me which is the basis for Rational Emotive Behavioral Therapy, “We are disturbed not by events, but by the views which we take of them.”  He challenged me to change the way I viewed the events that were occurring in my life and gain a different perspective on them.  One of the MHA’s also started talking to me about this.  He had an incredible 30 years of experience to call upon as he focused his full attention on each patient and helped them heal.  We started talking about spirituality and how it could help change my perpective.  I told him all about my aversion to organized religion.  He listened fully, carefully and asked if I'd ever considered learning about Buddhism.   I said no, I was a Christian even if I didn’t go to church.  He brought me an article about how Buddhist meditation helped a someone be a better Christian.  I was intrigued.  When I returned home I started reading information on the internet and all my preconceived notions changed. 

Buddhism makes sense to me.  It is completely about self-discovery and challenge.  Using your mind to understand the nature of our existence, not having someone else force it down upon you.  I found the Drepung Monestary here in Atlanta and attended a couple of public sittings and meditated.  Since then I’ve been burning through every piece of literature I can get my hands on.  I've reconsidered so many things which I just chose to accept instead of truly investigating.  I feel very connected to the teachings I have been reading about.  I am so fascinated by the Dalai Lama, Pema Chodron, and all the teachers I have read.  It feels like they are explaining to me everything I have been missing. 

Today(Sunday), I will start my journey properly.  I am attending the Beginning Meditation program at the Shambhala Center in Atlanta.   Having searched, and read and studied programs all over I have decided that barring something crazy this will be my new spiritual home for a while.  I am undertaking a new path - a path to enlightenment. 

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I look forward to hearing more about this journey.
Two things: Catholics do not take the Bible literally; Protestants do. Catholics believe if you do good you go to heaven; Protestants believe you can do all the evil you want, but still go to heaven if you "take Jesus to be your Lord and Savior."

Your father has the right attitude about religion. Your wife is right about organized religion. Good luck in your search for the truth.

Great post.
Rated.
What I have always held onto is one particular verse in the Bible: "Where one or two are gathered together, so shall I be also."

So you see, He is with you without you having to be a member of an organized religion or church. As long as He is in your heart....you have a church home.
I'm like your wife. Organized religion, or organized anything for that matter (baseball, scouting, politics, etc,. etc,.etc.) has been corrupted from the beginning time. Greed and vanity or the hallmarks of anything organized by man. The Catholic Church, just as an example, is one of the most corrupt institutions on earth. While they maybe a few true believers, offer them something of monetary value, and see how fast that take it. I myself am a spiritual person, who leads a clean and decent life. I treat everyone as I would be treated. In my youth, I sowed some wide oaks, many, but they only taught me the lessons that everyman needs to survive. Truth. Simple truth. Not wrapped in the pages of some Bible written by people who want and need power. Just being true to myself. It's not as easy as it sounds. Hope to read more!
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A fascinating read. Thank you for sharing your journey. I will be eager to read more as you progress. I sincerely hope you find what you seek.

Forgive my bluntness. I realize that you, in this short essay, could not explain your concepts of the religions in much detail. But there are many errors and oversimplifications in your descriptions. It has been my experience that people have far more objections to what they think other religions teach as opposed to what the religions actually profess. For example if I may use my friend scanner's comment that the Catholic church is the most corrupt. That will come as a huge shock to those who invested in Jim Baker's PTL ministry or to anyone who knows about Scientology.

That said, I congratulate you on the path you have started.

(A joke that you may not understand for a bit. But your title "Finding Buddha" is contrary to Buddhism. There are no Buddhas. Gautama Buddha was a bodhisattva. When you reach the place of Buddhahood you realize there is no Buddha because everything is Buddha.) (laughs at self for an unwarranted display of ego)

Peace and Enlightenment, my friend.
"And when he was at home he'd wake up on Sunday mornings and watch church on TV while drinking beer. He practiced his own kind of spirituality."

Now that's my kind of old time religion!

If you don't know about fellow OSer, Monte Canfield, I recommend going back and reading his work. He posts often and is the most liberal Christian I've ever met. He's a cool cat and a great preacher. He puts it out there in easy to understand terms and lets you make up your own mind.
I'm not particularly religious, but I read all is stuff just to get perspective. Happy Buddhisming!
You've got the "right speech" down - very skillful writing. I practice Buddhism in my own way - zenfully (sinfully? hahah), but I find the Eastern world views work better for me then traditional Western religion. I attend a Unitarian Universalist church and through that am part of a Sangha Covenant group.
O-Man, I should have said one of the most.., They are all corrupt. I would bet the evangelists hair pieces cost more than Donald Trumps Viagra bill!!
I'm a fellow searcher, born into the Episcopal Church but never felt settled there. Even though your journey is very different than mine, I think we are looking for the same kind of feeling. I look forward to reading your next post - I think I'll see what the Buddhists are doing in my neighborhood.
Although I am not a student of Buddhism and know very little about it, the philosophy of self-discovery and challenge make a lot of sense to me and seem much more real-world based than any traditional organized religion-based teachings I am familiar with. Great writing and thank you for sharing this story.
Excellent post! Well organized and informative. An old saying goes, "If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him." Meaning that he is not the "real" Buddha.... what Obsolete Man says. I stumbled upon a wonderful book named "Stumbling Toward Enlightenment." Fascinating! She ain't no fundamentalist, for sure! She frankly loves good sex!! I'm learning a lot. While you search through Atlanta, look for my old friend Michael Elliston "Mickey". He's a Roshi or a Sushi or something. Tell him Liz said hello.
I was educated in Catholic schools but drifted away. In searching for some meaning I read "Autobiography of a Yogi." Impressed, I joined Self-Realization Fellowship. It has transformed my life. The religion I knew literally seems like nursery school in comparison. I didn't choose it, it chose me.
I completely identify with your journeyand second the opinions expressed here. I discovered meditation and Thich Nhat Hanh when I was first getting clean & sober. The most important lesson I took from Buddhism is -- Life Is Suffering. Once I accepted that truth, everything became clearer.

I look forward to reading more about your path to serenity.
I enjoyed every word of this. I went through many young years going to a non-denominational church, which I described as a "Bible Church" - just teaching lessons and great music, too boot. I was involved in the choir, small touring drama group, and even dated the pastor's son. I left the church after high school, really just because I got too busy. But I always felt something was missing.

In the past decade, I've attended a Catholic church but I get absolutely nothing out of it. Not a thing. Except that at the "Peace be with you" part, I get to wave at the other moms. :-) Again, something is missing.

I've recently struggled with my beliefs and so your piece here is timely. I think what I've come to settle on is that which I learned about most in my younger Christian years...be good to each other. Simple, yes. But it taught me about being a good person and for me, affecting people in a positive way brings them light and love and happiness...and what greater gift than that?

One of my sisters became a Buddhist years ago and we all kind of looked sideways at her but no one has ever asked her "WHY." But reading what you wrote: it's about "self-discovery and challenge. Using your mind to understand the nature of our existence" - well, that sounds quite interesting. I may have to read a bit more about it.

Either way, kudos on a brave post (people take their religious beliefs very personally, as they should), and very best wishes on your journey of self-discovery.
Mimetalker - I look forward to the journey and letting everyone know how it goes.

Thoth - Yes, my wife has a gift for being right about most things.

Torman - My father was fond of that verse too. He would sit and sing to himself in our cabin having his own little revival. He was amazing in many ways.

Scanner - The guiding philosophy in my life has always been to treat others as you would have them treat you. It is a simple truth. That is the appeal of the Buddist teaching is the simple truths at its heart.

TOM - Thank you friend. The title was originally Finding Buddhism but it didn't exactly feel right. But as I am just starting to learn the new title is probably more appropriate than I thought

Micheal - I will have to check out Monte. Thanks.

H&H - I love to hear more about your experience. Thanks for stopping by

Mamoore - You can check out www.shambhala.org and see if there is a center or group near you and just get your feet wet to see what its all about.

Smithery - Its always seemed to make sense to me I just haven't found the right way to practice it yet.

Penrose - I will find that book this week. What is the author's name?

Kathy - I feel like that is the problem I have spent a lot of time searching and trying to fit in instead of letting it find me and become a part of me.

WA - that is a great quote. I love it

skel - he is the next book on the bookshelf. I just read about him in buddhadharma magazine.

OM - Read the Dalai Lama's book " The Art of Happiness". It describe how that truth that you already understand relates to our lives. I hope it touches you as it did me.
Thanks much for the suggested reading!
Raised with Missionary Baptist hell fire and damnation I also looked outside for answers. As a child you would attend church, sometimes with Great Grandma listen to the sermon, no smoking, dancing and then go outside and watch the men light up. No one could answer my questions. I talk to God but I see him more as Mother Earth and just wanting peace, not all the evil done in his name.
I am looking forward to reading your journey.
Once upon a time, I realized that I didn't believe in the God espoused by the synagogue, nor the one proposed by the church, or promoted by the mosque....but I did believe in religion. I didn't know about the existence of God, one way or the other, but relgiions are real enough, so I studied them.

What I learned was that you couldn't understand Christianity until you had understood Judaism, and that you couldn't understand Islam until you understood both Christianity and Judaism, since Islam is an amalgam of them. Then I discovered that to understand the Buddhist, it helps to understand the Hindu religion, since that's where Buddhism first came from. The studies went on and on and, somehow, in the process, I learned that there are people who actually know what they are talking about when they talk about God, but they never do it publicly, and never speak out loud. When you scrape off the paint, and check the vin numbers, what you eventually discover is that all religions are the same, and that their concepts of the deity are more or less equivalent. The ones that give you the most benefit are the ones that actually give you a way of life, rather than a belief system. There's only one real commandment that makes any sense: Do not do unto others anything you would not have done unto you. The negative is intentional. It's a negative commandment, not a positive one. Leave other people alone, as you would be left alone. It doesn't require you to do anything. Form trumps content when it comes to religion. The form is the practice and the practice is the process.
Fascinating. Countless others have searched and struggled as you have. I suspect you owe much of your warmth, lovingness, and concern to Paw-Paw. The doctrines may have disappeared, but the moral "ambience" abides. This is very interesting. I look forward to the continuation.