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I am a poet-essayist-singer-songwriter, and advocate for the poor, with a teaching and counseling background. I grew up in Florida, now live in Asheville, North Carolina. I also lived in New England 20 years. I love nature, music, and poetry. I am married and we have three adult-kids between us and four grandkids! I am interfaith, leaning toward Taoist, Celtic, and Native American spirituality, and an "Obama Democrat." Currently, I am working on poetry and prose as well as publishing political columns. I am also phone banking nationally for Obama.

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MAY 5, 2012 8:05AM

Dealing with passive-aggressive behavior

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When someone makes an insolent remark, and displays passive-aggressive behavior through a "subtle" put down (I am not a dumb person), and does it repeatedly, what would be a good response? The best response for me is to simply refuse to be intimidated, to continue to express my truth quietly but straightforwardly.

Let it be said that passive-aggressive behavior is most irritating kind, in my view, more irritating than a frontal assault. Most people prone to this form of behavior are experts, to begin with, and sometimes they don't even realize what they are doing; most of the time they do.

It's hard to even define what you are talking about in a specific case. Sometimes it is just the insolent tone of voice that goes with the remark, an implication that you are stupid or irresponsible when you might be discussing a problem you are having, in an open manner. (Just because you reveal a problem does NOT mean that you are asking for a diagnosis, or a judgmental remark. (This is just one example.)

When you confront rhe person, usually they will deny that their intent is denigrating. But the feeling you get inside yourself is often a clue that a backhanded comment has been made.

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Well, they are passive aggressive, right. But, I have encountered persons, myself included, who just have a snarky tone of voice. If the person is upset that I was hurt then I cut them some slack. If they argue or continue, then I cut them out.

You bring up some great topics.
Oh, Patrick. When I read the title of your post this morning, I felt comforted. Because this topic is all I have been quietly thinking about this week. I did not understand this sort of behavior until recently. All I understood was how bad I felt about myself when I was the target. Now that I understand it, I first and foremost stay away as much as possible from it. When that is not possible, and I experience it, I speak up when appropriate. I say in not so many words I will not be a target. (It might not happen on the spot, as it takes time for me to process this behavior.)
As you can imagine, that does not endear me to the other person. However, I have begun to feel better about myself because I refuse to be a target anymore. Above all, I pick my battles. I have learned that people who engage in passive-aggressive behavior are, deep inside, hurting, angry and/or sad. Instead of getting my back up, I think about how sad they must be inside, and try to muster compassion. That being said, people who are prone to projecting this kind of behavior are unfortunately not prone to taking responsibility for it, or in many cases, are not even aware of it.
This is SO hard, Patrick. My heart goes out to you. R
It's not a simple matter, Patrick. I say this in part to try to let myself off the hook because I'm guilty as well as having been on the receiving end. As the passive aggressor I think it's mostly either unintentional, with me trying and failing to amuse, or that I'm responding to a misperceived tone or expression and feeling defensive. On the receiving end, if it becomes apparent the person is exhibiting a low opinion of me (whether deserved or not, it's still an affront) and I close-off from the person and steer clear. I wonder if misjudgment, especially when first getting to know someone, is partially to blame. Assuming too much - friendliness, snarkiness, good or bad humor, over or under estimation - can set the stage for this negative dynamic to gradually become apparent. I know it has for me. But as the adage tells us, if you find yourself digging a hole where you don't want one, stop digging.
not sure what that means....seriously...but if your talking about taking offence from a written word...never understood that either...probly dont get this stuff enuff to even be commenting... but good luck anyway...
Although my reaction is "clinically" pathological, I simple cut them off and leave. Life's too short to put up with BS.
My mother engaged in p/a behavior against my wife for 30 years. It's such a relief that she left WI to move to TX. She actually tried to teach my daughter to act that way. I guess she thought that it's a cool thing to hurt somebody wihout them knowing that she did it. She loves to do or say things that are irritating, annoying, insulting and disrespectful to another person and make it appear unintentional.

The way that I finally dealt with it was to bring it out into the open and confront her with it. Yes of course she denied it, that's what p/a is all about. But I continued bringing up the behaviror as soon as she did it and telling her I don't like it. Now I just stay wary and keep her at bay, at a distance. People who practice p/a don't realize that others aren't as unaware and stupid as they think, they can spot the p/a behavior, and it makes them dislike and eventually avoid the perpetrator. At least your p/a perpetrator doesn't constantly send you repulsive right-wing extremist demagoguery and religious crap despite havng been asked multiple times to desist. Mean people suck.
I agree, and have several people in my life who act as such. I'd rather have them up in my face--completely owning their feelings--than tearing me down subtly while pretending to be virtuous. And, man, do they ever fight to keep from having to admit what they're doing! And their denial of it brings on even more p/a behavior to where it's almost not worth pointing it out.

The self-deception on the part of people like this is so.... (I am trying to avoid using the word "crazy" here because of jmac1949's post)....but people like that are definitely "feeling-impaired" and their actions preclude having an honest, trusting and deep relationship with them. Dare we say, it's their loss?
It takes a wise person to admit to a wrong doing or a mistake. My husband is great at this and I admire him so much for it. He will be the first to say "I messed up and I'm sorry". How are we to ever learn about ourselves, the world and others if we think we are perfect without mistakes? A intelligent person will respect your confession and an ignorant one will bask in his glory of being proven right. and never let you forget it.
The most frustrating of all types of behavior. I too would prefer a frontal assault put all the cards on the table get the dirty laundry out in the open approach. I guess I mostly ignore it but it occasionally gets me going in ways I later regret. Good thoughts.
This is really hard behavior to deal with. You usually realize its happened/happening when you feel defensive around another person. So you go on taking their behavior as reasonable, because of course this other person is just like you, a reasonable person, right? No, they are using you to assuage their own feelings of sadness, anger, whatever. It takes time to identify, but you can get good at it, and then telling the person right away, " When you say/do this to me, it makes me feel sad/hurt/angry because..." Your feelings are your feelings, and therefore true. The other person then has the option to either apologize, or deny it. In my experience, they deny it, but at least you've put your truth out there and they're on notice you've identified their aggression. Oh, and I've been guilty of doing this too, having had it modelled for me while growing up, but I'm really, really, really trying to act like a mature human being now.
Confront them, they will loudly proclaim their innocence, but call out what they are doing. Or, ignore them, blank out their remarks. People seek attention by making these remarks. I would confront them, once or twice. If they continue, time for the ignore button, and if they carry on, they make it very clear who they are all by themselves.
I figure they don't feel so great about themselves or they wouldn't need that type of response. I feel sorry for the person and respond with reverse psychology, giving her/him something unexpected, like a compliment, agreement or distraction onto a really fun topic. These moves are fun and confuse the potential mental bully.
I would call this a passive/aggressive post in the fact that it's dishonest and feigns ignorance.
I find passive aggressive people too draining to associate with in my life unless I have to for work reasons, etc. Keeping them as far away from me as possible is my way of dealing with them. :)
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"When you say, it feels like a snide putdown to me."
If you respond with "I messages" such as "I feel belittled by comments like that," or "when you do______, I feel______" if is hard for the other person to dispute you. You are saying how you feel not making an accusation, which invites an argument. You feel how you feel and treating your feelings dismissively is not okay, at least among friends, family, and people who purport to care about you. That's one simple tactic that is often effective. You are right to trust and respect your gut feelngs, Patrick, and be guided by how the remarks make you feel.
Being straightforward may be some people's fear factor, so we may have to put up with their back-handed ways.
Not easy.
It can even be a real waste of time.
Take care, Patrick.
PW