The other day my four-and-a-half-year-old daughter and I were walking down the street after leaving our favorite frozen yogurt place. We’d been celebrating her last day of preschool and were headed back to our car so that we could meet up with another kid from her preschool at a nearby park for a “playdate.” (As much as I resisted this terminology, there is no better alternative for describing the kind of pre-arranged, adult-supervised activities that we have with our children, who are no longer allowed to roam the neighborhood, visiting the houses of the kids they want to play with, as I did as a child in the 1970s.)
On this busy downtown street, a young man with a clipboard approached us and, after hesitating for a moment, (we were already late--as usual-- for our playdate), I stopped and listened to his request. Do you have a minute to help support gay marriage?, which of course, still not being over the sense of rage and shock I felt by the failing of California’s Proposition 8, I did. I must admit that I often don’t have that “minute” the person is asking for. I am even guilty of looking more hurried than I actually am just to avoid having my attention constantly redirected by all the needs of the world. In this case, I tried to offer my signature, but he wanted money, and I had none at that moment. So he directed me to the office where the campaign was headquartered, and my daughter and I continued on our way.
“What did he want mom?” my daughter asked earnestly.
“Oh, he’s trying to raise money for his cause,” I replied, somewhat aware of the fact that people on that busy street were listening to this conversation.
“What’s his cause mom?” she pressed on. My daughter is the sort who loves to ask questions, and she’s never ever satisfied with your vague answers. Why should she be? I always ask myself. But there have been many moments when I am not quite prepared out in public for my answers about how, say, a woman and a man actually make a baby, or why those angry Iranian people on the cover of The New York Times have set all the cars on fire. I have to take a moment and think about how I’m going to cover a complex topic, because I realize that the first time I explain something or introduce a concept is a crucial moment.
At least I think it is.
"Well," I started in as she eagerly awaited my explanation, "you know how the kids next door have two dads, and some of your friends have two moms? Well, some of them want to be married, just like dad and I are. And the law says that they can’t get married. Even though some of them have gotten married, because they don’t care what the law says…"
For another moment I stopped myself. There are some abstract concepts that I don't have a problem explaining, but the "law" isn't once of them. She understands what it means when I say we have to wear our seatbelts or drive the speed limit or the police will give us ticket. And when she and I once got pulled over for driving 35 in a 25 zone (!) it illustrated the concept a little better. But in the case of speeding or not wearing a seatbelt, we're talking about the potential of not harming someone, right?
How do you make a case for the terrible things that might happen if two men get married? You simply don't, because there aren't any.
Because I have always tried to normalize any offbeat sexuality/parntership choices when I talk about things with her, we haven't really talked about the fact that there are people in the world who think gay people are evil and demented and that they should be treated like criminals or drug dealers. So, we've just been breezing along talking about so and so's two dads without any discussion about what that means (you know, just doing my part, as the bumper sticker says, to piss off the religious right, I suppose). I just didn't want to plant any judgments in her head, or give her any reason to start looking at people like they aren't "normal." Someday we'll have the "contiuum of sexuality" conversation...perhaps in kindergarten?
So how do I even begin to explain to her that "the law" says Janie's parents, the ones who have selflessly given birth to and cared for her since she was conceived, aren't allowed to get married?
How could I tell her about the article I'd read earlier that day, about the nonprofit hospital in central California that refused to allow a lesbian woman to see her partner in the emergency room (the Associated Press.), a woman who was rushed to the hospital after collapsing during a pro-gay-marriage march? I didn't. But the news was still hanging there in my view.
Instead did my best to state the fact that in California gay couples aren't "legally allowed" to marry. I tried to say it matter of factly, though I'm sure she realized how I felt about it. And what followed was one of those moments that will occupy a particularly memorable place in my history as a mom, a moment that, as writer Ayelet Waldman writes, I “should be able to melt with emotion” over. So I am doing that here, now.
My preschooler said, "I think people should get to choose whoever they want to marry. It should be their choice, not somebody's elses."
I couldn't have said it better.
And I couldn't have gushed more. By this time we were driving to the park, she was strapped into her booster seat, and I turned around and said, "I like the way you think." What I wanted to say was, "I am so proud of how smart you are I can't even stand it..." If she can figure out something so simple, what is everybody else's problem?


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understanding could be so easy. thanks for sharing this so thoughtfully!
It reminds me of one of my favorite kids ever saying on the issue of race, "But Mary isn't black, she's brown."
...or give her any reason to start looking at people like aren't "normal."
Cut to the party - she's swimming with all of her friends - and because the sound carried over the water I hear her proclaim "You guys, My Mom is divorced and now she lives with a girl and that means she's gay and I don't care if you don't like it 'cause she's my Mom and if you don't like it you can just leave."
Nobody left.
Great post, great kid. I'll admit, that made me a bit misty.
Rated, reditted, dug.
thank you for being straight but not narrow.
I do not agree with gay marriage. Call me close minded, or a bigot, or whatever vile term you can come up with. It doesn't change the fact that I have a right to my opinion.
Let me start by saying that my closest friend and most loved sister is gay. I love her more than I love anyone else on the planet. I also love her partner. I don't think they should marry.
Marriage really should be between a man and a woman, as God ordained.
I do believe that they should immediately be able to have a legal relationship if that is what they choose to do. I think they should be able to be each other's legal spouses.
But the church (at least any church I have every been to) follows the bible or the Koran or the teachings of Budda. There is no reference to a man marrying a man or a woman marrying a woman.
Call me crazy (or whatever else you like).
Why is it that all you "believers" believe that gay marriage, in the legal sense, has anything whatsoever to do with religion? No one is trying to force any denomination to marry anyone. God has nothing whatsoever to do with it. It should make you all ashamed that a 4-year-old has the purity of thought to realize what none of you is able to see due to your screwed-up puritanical mindsets. It's about equal rights, dammit!! And FYI, I am a 63-year old, straight, female atheist who lives in California and is furious. As if you couldn't tell about the atheist part....
Falls a bit short of the entire truth to be true. Probably is.
Of course, a child without is going to long for what s/he does not have. Especially if what's missing is loving, expansive, devoted parents. Who doesn't need/long for this? Enter the idea of foster parents. Thank goodness many can probably agree to that idea.
Could one argue that in a world that bashes non-traditional families, that a child without a traditional family will forever long for one? Of course. These are real data points to consider before jumping to a conclusion based on a, granted, many-pronged (multi-background kids) experience within , not-granted, one setting (foster care).
In the heart of hearts, people know that good parents are a very good thing in this world. Instead of tearing into each others lives over whose parents are better than another's, might we try considering instead just how bad we, as a society, are at making kids, who are not privy to a "traditional family", feel for what they are missing. Are we not to take just as serious a look at how our ever-so-threatening demands, that the traditional family be forever granted superiority to everything and everyone else, are impacting children and their longings for it even when provided with loving, expansive, devoted non-traditional parents?
It sounds like your daughter will keep you on the right path. Best of luck to both of you!
You deserve it and you daughter deserves another trip to the frozen yogurt store-my treat.
rated for coming from the mouth of babes
How do you know they weren't just extremely bad extremist Muslims? I mean, for instance, I know of this Christian guy who like to judge people before he's even met them.
Our kids go to Mormon church every other Sunday with their bio-dad. I can't tell you how many times our daughter has come home in the last year telling us how sick to her stomach she felt over the things they say in church about homosexuality and she had only barely turned 10 years old when the prop 8 thing started last year.
I think it's important to remember not to project our own gut responses, and our own early experiences, on to our children. People in my age bracket (50's) didn't learn about gay sex until after we'd already learned about straight sex and reproductive issues. I'm sure I was in seventh or eighth grade when I found out about gay sex, and while I did later realize there were adults in my life who had to have been gay, at the time it wasn't spoken about. It was presented to me purely as a sexual aberration. I learned nothing more about it until I was in college.
People who grew up the way I did, often react to any discussion of gay couples as though it's a discussion of sex, and that's why there's discomfort and "don't ask, don't tell".
I think scottish lass is to be commended for her candor. But, I'm not sure whether this post was as much about whether or not gay marriage should be legal; I think this was a post about how to introduce the topic to kids. Regardless of whether you think it's "moral" or "immoral", it's a fact of life and will be increasingly common, so it's worth it to put a little thought into whether, in fact, kids are really going to be all that confused and traumatized by the concept.
My daughter learned about gay couples at the same time she was learning about straight couples, and all kinds of families, including single parents, adoptive parents, etc., were all just part of the fabric of her life -- long before she ever had any questions about human reproduction, and later about sex itself. We had gay friends and neighbors, and several of the kids in her preschool had same-sex parents. I always pictured her view of the parents of her friends as being like the moons of Jupiter -- the giant enormous planet is the child, and those two tiny insignificant specks circling around, the moons, are the parents. She noticed everything and still nothing, because they weren't as important as the main planet was. Some kids had only one parent, some kids had two, all of that had nothing whatsoever to do with anything important.
So whether one particular Jupiter had one speck or two hovering overhead hardly interested her. Eventually, she got around to asking about the physical origins of babies -- which got into a discussion of other things, like adoption (she had many friends whom she knew to be adopted) -- but it was a very long time before she got around to asking "How did the baby get in there?" I don't think there was any discussion of the role of sex in reproduction until she was maybe seven or eight.
Anyhow, having all kinds of families in our circle of friends made it much easier for her to understand the issue of same-sex marriage when it came along. I strongly disagree with anybody who claims that allowing children to "learn" about this topic will confuse them or damage them. It might be confusing or damaging to keep the entire topic a secret from them until you think they're "old enough" but I haven't noticed any childhood trauma arising out of the open mixing of gay and straight families at my daughter's school.
My gay friend told me her 9-yr-old twin girls came home from school and started telling her how disgusted they were with her lifestyle. Damn bigots and narrow-minded people everywhere, who teach their kids to hate so they can teach other kids....
Prejudice is learned, but it can be unlearned, as South Pacific illustrated. The whole musical / movie is about two people with prejudice; one conquers it; the other doesn't.
You and I are lucky to be raising families in this part of California. Elsewhere in our state, and certainly in the Bible Belt of our country the majority of the parents are still teaching their kids the old school ways.
Best Regards,
David
If only it was that easy to open a closed mind.
"Kids say the darnedest things" ... in this case, darnedest actually means "smartest."
As far as our family is concerned, I believe our relationship IS ordained by God. How else could I have been blessed with the gift of a kind, supportive partner and two loving children who are kind, generous, well-adjusted. When they enter the world, they will not be advancing an "agenda" as some suggest. They will be working for TRUTH! God could not possibly find abomination in a LOVING relationship. Our God is a powerful, awesome God. The only true abomination is to hate in His name.
Bless you, Palindrome, and the wise daughter you are raising.
Wow. People of the same sex solemnifying their union is now in the same category as the violence and hatred of white supremacists? What kind of twisted sense does that make? We're talking about people who have beat many, many odds to find, love, honor and cherish one another to such an extent they would like their union to be legally recognized. How is this even remotely like Neo Nazis?
I am reminded of these wry and wise words from writer Anne Lamott: "You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do."
I believe Jesus said something like "... unless you change and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven." I think that is in Matthew, somewhere around chapter 18. Or maybe I have it all wrong. Maybe what Jesus really said was, "If two men enter into a covenant of love between themselves, that is really icky. They shall be spurned and spat upon for they are like unto the Neo Nazis."
I've been having trouble with that comment for awhile, and trouble in general with the way that Christians seem to be such horrible spokespeople for JC. But, I have to remember all the supportive comments first and foremost, and be assured that there aren't so many black and white thinkers in this world. Smart people of OS keep me aware of that!
The reason I ask about other issues is that in our society today we have a pretend "tolerance" or a pretend "freedom" we like to promote. Some call it "political correctness." That's as good a term as any.
What if that young man had been asking for money for the Second Amendment Foundation? Or for the No National Health Care Fund? How about the Christians for Peace Coalition? The White Separatist Nation? The Voluntary Human Extinction Campaign?
I'd bet that some of those would have elicited a much different reaction from yourself, thus instilling a form of bias and possible bigotry into your daughter, as someone in the comments below mentioned others might be doing to their children regarding homosexuality.
The reason I ask this question is because it's so important to a fundamental understanding of what freedom truly is. It's not about socially acceptable things being "free and open."
It's about ALL THINGS being free and open to discussion. If one person hates black people, white people, green people, or whatever that person has a right to say and talk about that. Others have a right to rebut the assertion. NO ONE has the right to refuse the talking arbitrarily.
People should be free to be unique. Not unique like everyone else, but really unique.
That kind of tolerance is the price of true freedom.
I personally have no problem with gay, straight, or bisexual relationships and marriage. Your daughter is right: people should be free to marry, spend time with, love, etc. anyone they wish to. Just as they should be free to not do those things with anyone they wish. The core issue of gay marriage is not tolerance for homosexual relationships, it's tolerance for things you don't agree with.
Government mandates marriage because we've allowed government to have that power. Why? Aren't civil marriages merely a contract? Why does the government have the power to dictate the stipulations of a private contract?
What about speech? Religion? The press?
The point is, the "left" is just as bigoted as the "right." The difference is what kind of bigotry they promote. True freedom is to be able to say whatever you'd like, but the price of that freedom is having to listen to the response from others.
And may I say how sad -- and how wrong -- it is to refuse to let a child that age go next door or a few houses away, to play with other children their age? Palindrome, I hope you are not a helicopter mommy, who believes paranoid B.S. about "stranger danger" and keeps your daughter like a hot house flower.
There is no need to have to explain gay marriage, or homosexual relations, to a child who doesn't even know about the birds and bees -- especially since it is ILLEGAL in California, where the author lives, so there is not much chance of running into any gay couples getting married.
What children need is THEIR MOTHER and THEIR FATHER -- outside of truly tragic situations, they need their REAL mother and and father -- the two biological beings who created them. Anything else is substitute, perhaps a decently intentioned and loving substitute, but not the "real thing". Every adopted child will eventually ask "who is my real mommy? who is my real daddy?", because they are not sunk in the mire of political correctness -- they still know TRUTH from fiction.
This isn't even considering the horror of designer "Frankenbabies", creating from donor eggs and sperm and gestated in paid surrogates, all for the vanity of people who couldn't or shouldn't have children of their own.
We wouldn't have to be trying to explain bizarre societal arrangements to tiny little kids, if we simply accepted any of this plain common sense, Mother Nature, sensible and practical arrangement -- one that has WORKED for, oh, a couple million years in every mammalian species.
As far as religion -- no marriage created religion and marriage does not continue to exist because any one religion set up standards (one man, one woman etc.) in some attempt to "exclude" people. Marriage has been around longer than any one religion, or the idea of religion itself -- it is as intrinsic to human society as fire or tool-making. It is part of what makes us HUMAN, and not bonobo apes.
I wouldn't be so eager to throw out "the baby with the bathwater", simply to make a small number of gay couples "feel better about themselves." Marriage is too important to change this radically, and for the very reason that children need to have both of their parents, not "any two random kind hearted strangers" raising them.
Hey, hon... We go married in August, 2008. We're gay. We're STILL married according to the State of California, k?
DEAL WITH IT !!!
Good job Mom
Pal-I love the way you are raising your daughter and I hope I can do the same for my two year old son. We live in a largely gay and family (and pro gay family!) area of NYC.
Like you, we are often stopped by the many people with clipboards and causes. Right now my two year old hasn't a clue (whales? children in Africa?), but I know those tough questions are coming.
I am ready to answer the gay marriage question (no problem, some of his "classmates" have two mommies) but how do I explain the man passed out drunk just off the sidewalk? The guy with the sign who looks (outwardly) like he could work? When you cover these topics, give me a head's up.
But then I read the end and some happy tears came. And even though I am not yet a parent and I can't fully know the powerful burst of pride you must have felt, I got a very tangible glimpse of it in my heart.
Thank you for sharing.
Kids follow the examples they see. I worry that we are going to be a very dogmatic, cold, uncharitable, rigid nation. In response to all this dogmatism, chill, and rigidity we are seeing dogmatism, coldness, ungiving, rigidity. Pahhh!