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Quaker buddhist, kinda quirky, loves cooking and knitting and movies. Dr Who fan, Scandinavian-aquarian and cat lover. Would love to be paid to travel around the world and write about local healing cultures. While eating and drinking and dancing. One day I will have a health cruise in the fjords.

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JULY 11, 2012 4:20PM

Why are you married? An Open Call on Partnership

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I lie on the in between.  I am not married.  I am also not single.  I don't consider myself dating, really, because we have lived together in harmony for several years now, with a joint account and plans to buy a house down the road.  

When people ask me if I am married, I say no, but I am not single.  If people ask me if I am single, I say, no.  I am not sure how I feel about the word, label, idea, construct "partner".  Mostly, I think of it as a radical feminist term.  While that is fine, I don't think that I am being radical in my relationship, though perhaps more feminist than not.  My partner is not a radical, but he is perhaps also more feminist than not.  I mean, neither of us thinks men are the superior sex, or that there is one.  

So, what would marriage mean to two people who are neither overly masculine, overly feminine, traditionally minded, or otherwise concerned about the economic, legal and social rules?  For me, there is a spiritual component to marriage, and for him, no.  Perhaps, because he has had two marriages, neither based on spirituality, and both with strong economic and social incentive, and neither with much idealism to float.  Perhaps, because I am the spiritual one, and he is the atheist.  Still, he is not focused on possession, property or control.  He is also faithful and loyal.  

I have had some relationships that others called "near misses" but I don't see that any of them were that close to marriage.  Two people have to be in the same space at the same time thinking about wanting the same things for it to be a near miss.  That never happened, despite several years long relationships involving monogamy, or living together, or other domestic rituals.  I soon found out that I was not interested in playing house- especially if there was no home, or children, involved.  I know I still idealize marriage, in that I respect it.  That doesn't make it the right choice or answer even if I would marry my sweetie.  

Of course, this time, we aren't playing house.  We are living it out.  Our relationship blossomed out of mutual friendship and reliance, a person whom the other could count on when other friends could not be found and other dates could not be reliable.  All the fantasies and promises of our pasts had to fall away in the face of real need.  Social and economic stability in mind, each making a promise to the other to make decisions for the benefit of both, transitioned to love.  It wasn't very romantic, if you are looking for a princess story.  It was deeply romantic, if you can see that real love, enduring affection, and true compassion come out of showing up, again and again, to real life- not a fantasy date.  

We'd both like to think that we'd have worked out fine if we had met younger, before he had kids, and had a chance to do this whole thing together from mostly the beginning.  I am not so sure we'd have liked each other much, because I was not then who I am now.  I wish I could erase our years of sadness and disappointment in other relationshps, but I also appreciate that they are what have turned us into who we are.  Steady, trustworthy, patient, affectionate.  

So, we aren't married.  Maybe that will change.  Economically, not a good idea for either of us.  All those pesky credit reports, from his failed marriage and lost mortgage, to my student loans, to his child support payments, to my health insurance.  Maybe some things would get better, but so far, nothing is pressing for it.  If we needed to, we'd do it.  But, we don't need to.  And I don't want to unless we both want to.  I know it isn't me, I know it isn't us, and I know it isn't him.  Marriage hasn't beckoned to us, it has offered us no shelter or illusion of happiness.  

Anymore, one must question why they are married or would want to be.  You can be single, and not cohabitating, and have a full and fulfilling life, good relationships, even loving monogamy.  If that is your thing.  You can be married and not have any of that.   Marriage no longer means the same thing to everyone, and less often to the two people (assumption) who are in it.  

I never grew up with pressure to marry young, or at all, really.  Perhaps that is the problem, believing I could be whomever I wanted to be and I didn't need a husband for that.  It turns out, that is only partly true.  I can be whomever I want to be, but I do need a husband if I want to be a wife.  Now that I have the privvy end of several years of private practice, I realize how many wives don't have the marriage or husband they wanted.  Some things can be worked out, and some can not.  

It seems that the main trauma for so many is the shattering of the myth, that marriage will make your life a better thing.  And maybe, for some, that is true.  I plan to make the life of myself and my sweetie better no matter what, and have helped the lives of his children by being a great friend to them.  I've already told him I don't want us to get divorced, down the road.  Not because he is my husband, but because he is my best friend.  

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The most important thing is the friendship and the trust in my opinion. Labels are just that. In this day and age, marriage can be optional openly. People can chose it or not, just as you have suggested, there are reasons, economic reasons not to. I think people should do what is comfortable and practical for their situation. I never think anymore or any less of a couple who is married officially and not, I see the dedication and harmony and just seem to let it go at that. Nice post.
Thanks for this piece. But as a never married, and one not living with anyone, I, of course, will pass on the Open Call. But you state your life and reasons for it most succinctly and well.
Well Mary, the Open Call is why are you single? And I think that we need to recognize that single is the natural state for many, many people.

Thanks,Sheila. I find that as a single or in a couple, I don't have two many problems with my friend's husbands, because I treat people like people no matter what status they have. I know that relationships ruin a lot of friendships, too, in both directions. One can figure out they are in a bad relationship when they alienate their friends and family, and that is no prize winner to keep.
Whatever works. I don't care if a couple is married or not. Married has worked for me, but I respect whatever choice has been made. Nice work here.
O.B., many thanks for the interesting open call and for expressing your own thoughts here! I am planning to respond with a post with my own ideas and experience on the topic.
It's good when a person is happy with their situation. I like reading about relationships gone right explained as you do it- analytically yet with affection.
Having been legally married to someone with whom I was spiritually connected and then who wasn't there for me, then living with and not married to someone with whom I was romantically connected who was there for me, then divorced from the former person who is still family and now married to the latter person,whom I trust, I would echo my lawyer. He said, "You may not be married legally but be married in the eyes of God, or married legally but not married really."
This was an honest, interesting, insightful piece of writing. Why fix something that's not broken? And whatever your call yourself, you're doing great. May take you up on that OC, if I can get to it.
O.B., my post in response to your O.C. is here:

http://open.salon.com/blog/designanator/2012/07/11/getting_an_ep_in_the_new_york_times_wedding_section
After the short disaster of my first marriage, my second wife, Robin, and I lived together for six years before we got married. She wanted to quit her job and I persuaded her to marry me so she could sign onto my health plan at work and get coverage for her son. That was 1987 and though we legally separated in 1991, we're still technically married, that's a long story to be told at a later date.
Relationships, like marriages, come and go; but real friendships last a life time in whatever capacity. R
I don't want to come across cynical Oryoki, but I probably will do. The harsh reality is that so many first marriages end in divorce. But the unhappiness doesn’t stop there. Just because other married couples don't divorce, that doesn’t necessarily mean they're happy, or even contented, because many of them aren't.

The happiest marriages I've ever seen are second marriages, Sometimes I wonder why we couldn't just skip the first and go straight in for the 'second time around' LOL 

Btw Oryoki, I too hate the word 'partner'. It could literally be translated to mean all kinds of things. I also hate the word Ms. Oddly enough, people who chose to use such words do so because they are against labels, but isn't 'partner' and 'Ms' just adding new ones, albeit less transparent tags?

What really matters is whether or not folks are happy or content with their lives. So whatever the marital status (and yes, even single people have a marital status), it shouldn't matter so long as the individual, or couple, are fulfilled.

Andy Aitch