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Quaker buddhist, kinda quirky, loves cooking and knitting and movies. Dr Who fan, Scandinavian-aquarian and cat lover. Would love to be paid to travel around the world and write about local healing cultures. While eating and drinking and dancing. One day I will have a health cruise in the fjords.

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MAY 10, 2012 5:24PM

Who would Jesus bully? Clan mentality, civic duty, democracy

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Discrimination in all its forms is bullying.  Clan mentality- whether based in religion, gender, race, or attitude- perpetuates this bullying by creating classes of people in order to have allowed discrimination.  Clan mentality is the opposite of democracy, as it always chooses self over other, always chooses ties based on blood and religion instead of merit or valor.  One cannot be a warrior for Jesus, he was a pacifist.  

So, how can all these self professed "lovers of Christ" systematically defile the message of their favorite prophet by enforcing caveman ideals?  One needn't be a christian to do good things, and there is little evidence that correlates religiosity with kindness towards others.  There is, however, plenty to point in the other direction. 

It's probably a good thing that so many conservatives can't identify with Obama as a christian, because they don't see his behavior modeling their's.  He calls for inclusion and freedom, two of the very enemies of clan mentality.  Free thinking is a dangerous thing, and free living is clearly the slippery slope result of being allowed to engage in personal life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.   

There will always be naysayers who point out that the slippery slope of acceptance (not just tolerance, actual acceptance) of gay marriage will lead to pedophilia and bestiality.  Only in the minds of the perpetually ignorant can this even be a feasable possibility.  Only in the mind of hatred would discretion be equal to discrimination.  Only in the mind of the entitled  are other existences "lesser than".  

Should he be so emboldened, I would call upon Obama (in his second term) to propose legislature that can repeal the historical discrimination that is tax exemption for the religious.  Why is this important?  Money laundering and tax evasion are epidemic and endemic to sheltered organizations.  The premise of preferential tax immunity based on association with religious beliefs is long overdue for a constitutionally based challenge.  

In order to do good works, one has to show good works.  Any organization that involves actual charity work has to prove where their money goes, and can accordingly get their tax exemption.  Faith based organizations not only systematically exploit "volunteers", they are exempt from the standards of conduct for any employer or educational organization.  So, how are these people contributing to the welfare of the United States?  How is dodging billions in tax revenue while simultaneously exploiting an increasingly dependent population doing "God's" work?  According to Jesus, it is not.  

Granted, one does not need to believe in Jesus at all.  My status as a person of faith or a person without faith should have no impact on my responsibility toward my civic duty.  My desire for a religious community in my neighborhood that is based on discriminating against my neighbors should have no legal preference.  Surely, I should be required to meet the same civic responsibilities as anyone else, which is pay the same taxes.  

As far as I can tell, those yelling the loudest about being "tax payers" are probably the people who pay the least- and would like to pay even less.  There is no reason that the government should interfere with a church being able to amass millions in property, cash, and luxury living.  As long as we understand they should not be more entitled than any other group.  We could certainly start filling in some of the revenue gaps.  

As a physician, I presumably do as much good as the local pastor in helping people figure out their problems, steer them towards more healthful living, and making better decisions about their actions.  For a small fee, I counsel, I assess, I listen, I work out a strategy.  I invite people to make their own best choices, instead of only pointing to an outdated set of social laws that don't actually work well anymore.  I don't begrudge my taxes, even though I get the same student loan interest deduction as someone who spent ten times less to go to school than I did.  I am required by law to have several valid licenses and annual updated certifications because I have such a great influence on the health and wellbeing of my "flock".  I have never admonished anyone to beat their children, to single out people they don't like and discriminate against them, to force their spouse to act in ways that is hurtful or humiliating.   

Of course, I could tack a religious affiliation on my name, form a non-profit, and continue to do exactly as I do but go tax free as a health ministry.  I mean, it's a nice idea, but I am just not interested in being a guru.  I prefer to empower individuals, to show them how to achieve their goals through their endeavors, and to accept themselves with love and equanimity - even when falling short of their dreams.  This may not be the christian thing to do (and I am more of a Buddhaquakerian), but I think it speaks pretty directly to "First do no harm, prevention, education, treat the cause, treat the person, and the (natural law of the) way of healing".  

However, I'm not speaking in tongues or wrassling snakes (literal or metaphorical), and therefore, I gotta pay taxes too.  

 

 

 

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Good reasoning here from you. Detect no tongue talking either. Nice job.
Good piece Oryoki. Tax preferences are one of the things that ought to be looked at when these groups start throwing their weight around, as when the bishops demanded waivers from insurance for birth control for workers at Catholic institutions that would not be able to stay in business but for the public subsidies they get from Medicare, Medicaid, Pell grants among others.
Perhaps you could go Egyptian and start worshiping cats. They are good for therapy, too, so they could do double duty. And cats don't have to jockey for power because they already know that they rule. Win, win.
I would go to your church and worship your cats. I would be honored to have you as my physician. One of your ilk already is my physician, so I am a lucky woman. This is both well written and a good argument, not so common a correlation to find these days. I am posting a link to this on fb, in case you get some new comment people that you don't recognise.
Well said. I sometimes wonder if Jesus ever wonders why he bothered to come. Nothing changed and nobody seemed to be listening. R
Jesus would hold down Satan and cut his hair.

Mitt was just doing what Jesus would do...

...if Jesus were an Aztec Spaceman from a cave in Upstate New York.
Thanks Mary, you and I both have a low tolerance for bs.

Thanks Ted- what so many people don't realize (fighting for all the other stuff they are fighting "for") is that tax exemptions for faith based programs and religious affiliation end up funneling a lot of money away from public good and into dubious works. I think that presuming religious "good" has long past proved defunct. It certainly doesn't interfere with freedom of speech or association or religion, but does mean the rest of us don't have to fund it either.
Phyllis- no need to go to Egypt, my feline overlords work me here daily. Pixel just ate my new mint plant just to show me whose the gardener.

Eliz- my cats are already full of themselves, so please, no more sacrifices. However, keep up the writing and the new "gospel of no gospel".
To make the comparison accurate, we should acknowledge that pastors do pay taxes, including self-employment tax, on their income (which is often the majority of a church's budget, especially a small church, and 59% of the chartered [i.e. tax exempt] churches in the U.S. have fewer than 100 members). We aren't the ones benefiting from the tax code. It's our food banks, our homeless ministries, our after-school programs, our literacy efforts ... all that stuff that Republicans have defunded.

But, go for it. If you taxed my congregation on its "profit" last year, the amount left over after its "business" expenses, you'd be talking about tax on something like $42.

As for the exploitation, I'm chuckling. How would one accomplish that?
High Lonesome- I am not disputing that churches can and do good works, that should be considered tax deductible. There are many tax loopholes that get applied across the board, and legal waivers, for organizations that are attached to churches- and that means that while your church doesn't make a lot, it probably doesn't also amass millions of dollars of tax exempt properties with preferential zoning laws, on which they can run other businesses that can generate tax "free" income for themselves. Any organization that shows it is doing charitable work should get some tax exemptions- but the presumption that religions are automatically given a free ride is what I have issue with. The Catholic Church has billions in property and tax shelters, and while they may have provided a lot in charity (via donations from their congregation), they have also done a lot of harm by hiding behind their "religious" status- including avoiding prosecution for crimes. That is only one example. Coalition for Reason does a nice job of letting you know the hundreds of ways in which religious organizations seek to have laws made that give them preferential legal, zoning and tax statuses that other, similar, businesses do not have. Now that many religious schools are seeking to get tax vouchers to pay for education at their institutions, they should be required to meet the same work and safety standards for their staff, faculty and students that any other school does. Same with running day care centers. Currently, they don't have to.
jesus did that. empower people.
ay, probably too damn much, especially st paul
who never met him.

the calm acceptance of gay marriage would be a boon.
to our spirit and OUR EVER BELOVED ECONOMY.
SEX TIPs for guys, etc.
blah.

clan..ie tribal...mentality is the new wave of what is goin on.
it is despicable and delitirious, but
understandable.

Family is all.
We must see homo sapiens itself as family
and gain some good clan mentality..or even...see Gaia
Earth ...as our family..

not in our lifetimes, unless we really work at it...ha
Gerald- there have been many good people of clear vision and right intention, Jesus may be among them, and then it falls apart from there. You'll notice that the big wigs of goodness preach less materialism, more compassion, helping your brother and sister in mankind. Somehow that just turns into something evil and opposite without a periodic revolution, much like democratic governments.

Spumey- hilarious. Aztec spaceman from Upstate New York? He might very well be just that, this Mr. Romney.
You are in good company in wishing for an end to tax exemptions for churches and religious organizations. That's exactly what James Madison advocated. But what did he know? He is only the man called the 'Father of the Constitution' and principal 'Author of the Bill of Rights.' (see my 2/27/12 post). However, I have no hope such a measure could pass and any genuine separation of church and state really be accomplished. Everytime Christianity has become wedded to poltiical power, it has become an advocate of coercion, control, and violence, turning its back on the actual teachings of Jesus. Every time. [r]
Ok...so let me start off by stating that I am most certainly a Christian.
I DO have a religious affiliation, and am active in the life of my church.

Oryoki, I read nothing here that I would disagree in any strong way with either.

What I would suspect is that there are ANY number of organizations of people that have crossed lines over the centuries, and Christians were certainly one of the biggest, but you are right to call out the reverse side of the coin too...that one need not be ANYTHING to be either good or bad...to be fair or bigoted....to be loving or hateful.

Of course,...the HYPOCRACY of calling myself a Christian only to harm another would be something that turns my stomach, and many so called Christians have.

Lastly, there is a battle hymn of sorts for the Christian religion....."Onward Christian Soldiers."
Jesus even had a touch of temper, like the reaction of money changers in His Fathers House.
Of course,...one could argue that righteous indignation is very different....but who among us is to say what is righteous?

Anyway, I hear you, and you have given me a lot to think about...and I'd like to do that...to thoughtfully consider what you wrote here, and come back with something better.

No view should be so set in stone that we cannot learn from one another.

J D
JD- as always, the conversation about freedom of religion has to do with freedom to practice/believe, versus enforcement and imposition upon others. I think for those who are not in the christian community, it is exhausting to hear how often people cite themselves as "good christian xyz..." as if they are not only better than others, but that they deserve a fundamentally more powerful voice in the community. If one is a christian, good or soso or not good, just go be christian in your own space and treat people equally and with kindness. Which is what Jesus himself consistently, and pretty much ONLY, insisted upon.
James- it's a hard way to go, daily, to remember that everyone is "your clan" when there are few people you'd want in your living room for any reason. There is always a way to figure out kindness, even if that kindness is leaving people alone- live and let live. The difference between an avatar and a dictator is evident- one gives freedom, one takes freedom.
Oryoki Bowl, that's my point: Most churches don't amass much of anything. In my state, those that run preschools have to meet all the standards any other preschool does, those that run soup kitchens have to have inspected commercial kitchens, and so on. There are two problems, I think, and neither are the fault of "churches."

The first is that the tax code is vague and almost impossible to follow. We have a CPA in our tiny congregation, and every year we still struggle to figure out which property and income are taxable (more than most people realize) , which licenses to file, etc. The burden of staying in compliance is heavy, and it seems to serve little purpose because the revenue that can be collected from most churches is minuscule.

The other, related, problem is the advantages that are allowed to accrue to wealthy and powerful "religious organizations" that have little to do with worship or service. They have tax attorneys. They act as lobbyists. They're what everyone (apparently) thinks of when the topic of church tax exemptions are mentioned. And they have so little in common with about 90 percent of the churches in the country that most of us can't identify at all.

Are there tax abuses? Sure. Are there people who find every conceivable way to game the system? Sure. If you can figure out how to fix that problem, you'll have my full support. I'm the 99%.

But be careful getting rid of the exemption, because what it buys is a few bricks in the wall between church and state, a few impediments for those who believe this should be a "Christian nation" and also believe they know exactly what Jesus would do (despite his having done exactly the opposite during his brief public ministry).