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OCTOBER 12, 2009 12:05AM

Rocky vs. The Karate Kid

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 Here’s the plot: a lower working-class Italian-American goes the distance and takes a shot at the championship. Along the way he learns about life and love, and what he is really made of.

In 1976 Sylvester Stallone and John Avildsen brought to film the great American underdog story with Rocky. Eight years later Avildsen wrote and directed The Karate Kid, a “Rocky goes to high school” film that tapped into the same themes and ideas. Hell, Karate Kid tapped into many of the same plot points as Rocky.

With this in mind, we ask the burning question of our age: which movie wins in a head to head match-up? Rocky or The Karate Kid?

Employing traditional critical analysis doesn’t work. Sure, you might find the answer to which film is better, but traditional analysis won’t answer which film wins.

Using a complicated and esoteric algorithm (okay, not so much an algorithm as it was the subject of a rambling conversation I had with my wife last weekend over a few beers) we were able to break down each movie’s essential components and rank them accordingly. So who’s the winner?

Let’s get to it, shall we?

 

The Antagonists:

The Karate Kid—Johnny and the Cobra Kai

                  cobra-kai

Poor Daniel-son. Not only does he have to fight Johnny, but he also has to stand up to the vicious Cobra-Kai thugs. Throughout the film Daniel is bullied and beaten repeatedly by Johnny and his cruel sycophants. You have to wonder about the parents of these Cobra-Kai kids. “Hey hon, Johnny wants to learn Karate! I know this dangerous and unstable army vet who would be a perfect teacher!” Classic flat character bad guys. Best line from the Cobra Kai: “Sweep the leg, Johnny!”

Rocky—Apollo Creed

                   apollo_creed

Obviously based on Muhammad Ali the character of Apollo Creed is the heavyweight champ who gives Rocky the shot at the title. Although he’s portrayed as arrogant, he’s not an unsympathetic character. In Fact, he’s perhaps the most interesting character in the movie. Sure, you rooted for Rock. But ask yourself this: who would you rather hang out with, Creed or Rocky? And then ask yourself this: who do you remember more, Chuck Wepner or Muhammad Ali? Yeah, I thought so.

The Winner: Apollo Creed. Because Carl Weathers is super-fucking cool. And so is Ali.

 

The Mentors

The Karate Kid—Mr. Miyagi

                         mr-miyagi

A cross between Yoda and Toshiro Mifune, Mr. Miyagi is not only Daniel’s mentor and best friend, he’s also the heart and soul of the movie. He teaches Daniel karate, in addition to providing instruction on life, love, and philosophy. Plus, he drives a rad car, and is able to fix potentially serious knee injuries by rubbing his hands together.  (Side note: apparently Toshiro Mifune was originally considered for the role of Miyagi, but some idiot producer said, “I think getting Japan’s greatest actor would be a mistake, let’s get Arnold from Happy Days instead!”)

Rocky—Mickey Goldmill

                      Rocky       

Mickey is the cantankerous old pug who serves as Rocky’s trainer. He considered Rocky “a bum” until Rock gets the title fight—then he’s suddenly Rocky's best friend. His training regimen includes witty and acerbic quips in addition to chasing chickens in an alley.

The Winner: Mr. Miyagi. Look, Mickey is a cool old bird, but don’t you think Rocky would have been better served by a trainer who actually, you know, trained him how to box rather than calling him names and having hime chase chickens around? Mr. Miyagi, on the other hand, used defense as the foundation of his training regimen, dispensed great advice, gave Daniel his first drink, and even gave him a car. Oh, I forgot to mention, Miyagi also won the Medal of Honor. Plus did you see that bitchin’ pad Miyagi lived in? Couple this with his mysterious hand-rubbing thingie, and I’d say Miyagi does better with the ladies than Mickey. Party at Miyagi’s hizouse!

                                   miyagi sexy

             Little party at Miyagi's pad this past weekend. It was off the hook!

 

 

The Love Interest

The Karate Kid—Ali Mills

                                   elisabethshue

The hot, rich girl who used to date Johnny.

Rocky—Adrian Pennino

                     adrian

The ugly, poor girl who is the sister of Rocky’s alcoholic and racist friend Paulie.

The Winner: Ali Mills. Well, besides being hot, and Elizabeth Shue, Ali is actually supportive of Daniel, and provides emotional support. She also socks Johnny in the jaw when he gets fresh, and even commits minor theft for her Daniel (she lifts the black belt that will allow Daniel to compete in the All Valley Karate Championship).  Adrian, on the other hand, is a drag, a dullard, totally dismissive of Rocky’s chosen profession. Jeez, she doesn’t even watch him fight (way to support your fella). Subsequent films further this conflict to the point that Rocky had to basically kill her so he can fight in the last Rocky movie. (And we forgive Ali for dumping Daniel at the beginning of Karate Kid 2, because this allows Daniel to hook up with the hot chick in Okinawa.) Ali was the perfect girl friend—Adrian was the perfect wet blanket.

 

The Soundtrack

The Karate Kid—Bill Conti and forgettable 80s synth hits

Super gooey disposable pop hits populate The Karate Kid.  Commuter’s “Young Hearts,” the water-park-falling in love ballad of Baxter Robinson’s “Feel the Night,” and of course the classic Joe Espisito anthem “You’re the Best.” Bill Conti composed the instrumental scores—apparently he was not smoking the same primo stuff he was when he composed Rocky's “Gonna Fly Now.” 

                               bill conti

                                                    Bill "the man" Conti

Rocky—Bill Conti

“Gonna Fly Now.” Dude. Maynard Ferguson totally rocks this bitch in concert.

The Winner: Bill Conti for “Gonna Fly Now (Theme from Rocky)” C’mon, did you really think Rocky wouldn’t win best soundtrack? And seriously, broham, Ferguson rocks the Rocky...in a Member’s Only jacket. Word. Did you see the size of that key-tar? And there was even a flute solo in there! Maynard Ferguson: He made sucking sound so much fun!

                                      Maynard_Ferguson

                   Maynard Ferguson rockin' the theme from Rocky

 

The Fighting Style

The Karate Kid—Solid defense and “The Crane”

                       the crane

Rocky—punishing body attack, street fighter, uses face as a shield.

                         Rocky-beat up

The Winner: “The Crane.” I know, I know, Rocky’s fighting style is supposed to be this grand metaphor for hanging in there when you get hit—to keep fighting, even when life is beating you down, and blah, blah, blah. But I think I'd just as soon learn how to actually defend myself. And anyway, “The Crane” is super-cool—certainly better than getting hit in the face repeatedly.  

 

The Protagonists

The Karate Kid—Daniel LaRusso

                         daniel karate kid

Working-class Italian-American kid from Jersey fighting to fit in out in Cali. Learns Karate. De-flowers rich WASP chick. Discovers the true meaning of friendship and love.

Rocky—Rocco “The Italian Stallion” Balboa

                     stallone-sylvester-rocky

Working-class Italian-American boxer and organized crime enforcer from Philly fighting to stay off of welfare. Learns that he can take a beating. De-flowers racist friend’s sister. Discovers that he may actually be mentally retarded.

The Winner: Daniel LaRusso. This wasn’t even close. Sure, Daniel is kind of whiney and annoying through most of The Karate Kid while Rocky is the picture of stoic resolve. But the thing is, Daniel is like 17 years old and 17 year olds whine, a lot. It’s what they do. Hell, I think I’d whine too if I had been uprooted from my home during my senior year of high school. And furthermore, let’s look at what each protagonist faced. Rocky only had to face Apollo Creed, the greatest fighter in the world. Big fuckin’ deal. Daniel had to confront a new school, class discrimination, the awkwardness of first love, learning a completely new discipline (Rocky already knew how to fight, Daniel did not), a working mother who was not at home much, bullies, and  trigonometry class. Let’s just agree that Daniel had a bit more on his plate, and unlike Rocky, he actually wins in the end…

 

The Fight

The Karate Kid—A Musical Montage of the All Valley Karate Championship highlights.

Rocky—A brutal and visceral montage of a war in the ring.

The Winner: The Karate Kid. I know what you’re thinking: “What? The Karate Kid? Dude, the fight scenes in Rocky are brilliant, wonderfully shot (not as great as “Raging Bull” but pretty frickin’ great)! How can you justify awarding the Karate Kid as the better fight sequence?” Well, here’s the thing reader-son: unlike Rocky, Daniel ACTUALLY WINS THE FIGHT! He wins the championship! Yay, Daniel!

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 So who's the winner? Which movie wins the championship?

Ladies and gentlemen! With a score of 5 to 2, the winner of The Karate Kid vs. Rocky Showdown is…


THE KARATE KID!

In a shocking upset the heart-warming story of the young man who learns about love and friendship beats the story about the mentally retarded man who learns that Apollo Creed hits harder than Spider Rico.

So here’s to you Karate Kid. You are the winner. You are THE BEST AROUND!

 

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I'm with you MJ; Karate Kid wins, not necessarily by a KO, but it wins, and your post illustrates perfectly, point by point, why. That being said, when I saw the title, I was thinking (hoping?) at first that you were conjecturing as to who would win in a no holds barred cage match bout to the death between Daniel and Rocky Balboa. But then, I'm a crude individual:P
This was the single most in-depth exploration of a subject I couldn't care less about ever. Despite that, I found myself facinated. Rated for crafty and brilliant work!
Well, I see some of your points but when you look at the overall message of the films KKs is more like: When life dumps on you pray you have a skilled martial artist grandfather-figure nearby you can give you a montage so you can whoop badguy ass. Rockys message is far simpler: Don't give up. No matter the odds do not lay down. From my personal experience Rocky's method has worked fro me.
@ nanatehay-- you say "I was thinking (hoping?) at first that you were conjecturing as to who would win in a no holds barred cage match bout to the death between Daniel and Rocky Balboa." That would definitely be something I would watch. But, like you, I am also a crude individual :-)

@Andy Heizeler--you said, "This was the single most in-depth exploration of a subject I couldn't care less about ever. Despite that, I found myself fascinated." This is literally one of the best comments I've ever received here. Thanks.

@Dalivus--you're probably right, but I'll still take Elisabeth Shue over Talia Shire any day. And besides, having a skilled martial-arts grandfather figure as a friend is a useful friend to have. Certainly better than having Paulie as a friend. Seriously though, thanks for stopping by.
yeah, but "Once upon a Time in China 2" beats 'em both, Jet Li kicks ass
Your analysis is indepth and amusing but I still want to wring that creepy little Macchio's neck. I got in a street fight when I was a kid and the guy tried to pull a "Crane" type move on me. I skipped back, jumped forward and kicked him in the balls. Game over. The stupidest martial arts pose, ever.
If I could stop laughing - I might be able to come up with a comment. Unfortunately, I just kept seeing these characters in clay animation death match after clay animation death match. I think Tanya Harding could beat them all.
Great piece MJ! It brings a new perspective on blogging about movies. The film industry goes too much without its own history...unless there is some sort of re-make in production.

Also both movies were heavily merchandised. There were action figures, play sets, t shirts, lunchboxes (the metal kind), Halloween costumes and trapper keepers for both Rocky and the Karate Kid!

Still have my 6in tall Mr. T from Rocky with real leather boxing gloves
Plus: where did u find that pic of Ali Mills?????
@ Roy--of course Jet Li beats them both. That's a given. And Bruce Lee beats everyone! Thanks for stopping by.

@ Darral Ross--you are absolutely right. Good point. I also happen to think Macchio deserves a kick in the nads for making "Crossroads" too.

@ 1_Irritated Mother--If "Celebrity Death Match" hasn't done this yet, they should.

@ Sao Kay--Yup, the Crane is superior only because Rocky's strategy was to use his face as a defensive weapon.

FreedomisGreen--I honestly think Mr. T is probably the biggest influence on our generation...And I found the pic of Elisabeth Shue on google.
Would I be shallow for giving the win to the Kid based on the presence of Ali Mills alone?

Well then, how about this for deep: As I was reading this and preparing to comment, my 9 year-old son was sitting by my side playing a game of MLB: The Show on his PSP and the soundtrack song playing in those exact moments was a tune by No More Kings called, yes, "Sweep the Leg." Chorus: "Sweep the leg, Johnny/Sweep the leg."

Some things are just meant to be.
@ Lonnie--I've actually heard of that song...very serendipitous. I wish I would have thought of a way to work that into the piece.

And no, it is not shallow to award the championship to Karate Kid based solely on the scantily clad picture of Elisabeth Shue. I certainly did.
OK, so now how about doing something similar with the sequels! I really enjoyed this.
Karate Kid wins over Best Picture winner Rocky?

Um...Exactly how many beers were involved in this decision??
I'm with you too MJ. The Karate Kid has such good moral lessons in it for kids and adults alike. Sure, Rocky is supremely superior from a critics standpoint, but from a watch over and over again standpoint, give me Elizabeth Shue, I mean The Karate Kid every day.

Miyagi is one of the great mentors in film history. Daniel is one of the great students in film too. You truly feel for this supremely Jersey/New York raised kid having to fit in southern California. Rocky is a wonderful film, but Karate Kid is more enjoyable. My wife and I watch it at least once a year and my son absolutely loves Daniel and "the crane" kick. It's a bit absurd, yes. But in The Karate Kid, the good guy wins against a truly "bad" kid. Apollo was too damn likable. Plus, Rocky would never get bullied, ever. Daniel did and although I don't condone violence, The Karate Kid is actually an anti-violence, anti-bullying movie done right. It's about friendship and love. What else need be said. Plus, there was no damn Paulie to contend with...

RATED for a great comparison.
This is a close one... My daughter's going for her green belt, which of course tells you the importance of the Karate Kid in our home... but Rocky became the story of a man over his lifetime, and ultimately as a parent/father (not possible in Karate Kid). His speech to his grown son in 'Rocky Balboa' is worth the price of admission (or purchasing the movie, as we did). Plus, Stallone has had to overcome hsi own real challenges, including Bell Palsy.

By the way -- how many people know that your tag line was in 'Spinal Tap' (and it was shared/overlapped by Nigel Tufnel)? :)

Thanks for the fun post.
Both movies are classics in the fighting world. Im an ex professional fighter and even though Im not into the traditional martial arts world I have to admit that the Karate Kid movie is an all time classic.


The Rocky movie gives us something that the Karate Kid movie doesnt and thats more motivation I believe. In the Karte Kid movie it was an underdog movie gets some payback yes but the Rocky gives more inspiration as far as being a real life fighter.

Both of these movies are very inspirational but I believe the Karate kids is more for kids where the Rocky series are more for the adults.