
American emigré: Author Michael Luick-Thrams has gone "home"
MICHAEL LUICK-THRAMS, AN author, historian, and public speaker from Saint Paul, Minnesota, called it quits last year. At age forty-eight, bidding farewell to a successful mobile museum program he founded and an alternative farming colony in the Midwest, along with a mother, two siblings, and a fashionable condo in Saint Paul, he gave it all up to become a middle school teacher in a Swabian village in southwest Germany, just ten miles from his ancestral home. He has been speaking about his “immigration” to local audiences ever since. I was intrigued by his undertaking, so with Independence Day approaching I decided to call him up and find out what could have moved him to take a step that many other Americans celebrating this holiday over beer and fireworks would regard as unthinkable: Declaring his own independence from the Land of the Free.
Mr. Luick-Thrams, a year ago you boarded a train from the Twin Cities to New York and a ship from there “back” to Europe, much as some of your ancestors did centuries earlier, although in reverse. Like them, you didn’t buy a return ticket. How long are you intending to stay?
I don’t see this as a temporary situation. My intention is to stay here for the rest of my life. This isn’t a party excursion. I work here, I pay taxes, I have a job. I’m building a relationship. I’ve got friendships. I’ve become fluent in the language. I’m not just living in an enclave, in a bubble, like so many other Americans abroad. So I’ve emigrated. I’ve left. I have no desire to remain in the States anymore.
I see no positive changes in the US
But people leave their countries all the time. There’s travel, there’s tourism. People go study at universities abroad, they work abroad, they take sabbaticals abroad. What’s the difference between normal travel or overseas work and what you’re doing?
People who travel or who study abroad have limited engagements. Others may be working for an American corporation somewhere, but they have the long-term goal of returning to the United States to live, because they like it there and have a home there. I no longer feel comfortable living in the US, I don’t want to live there long-term. I don’t think the developments there are healthy or sustainable, and I don’t think the future is very rosy. While I know Europe isn’t perfect, here in Germany there’s a multi-party parliament, so it’s not just Tweedle-dum and Tweedle-dee like we have. There is more of a real democracy. Everyone has healthcare. You can’t live in the country without health insurance. They’re discontinuing nuclear power, they’re insulating houses, and are instituting other energy-saving measures. Things are happening, changing. I don’t see any such positive changes in the United States. I want to live here and be part of this.
As you said, thirteen months ago I took a train to New York and caught a freighter to Bremerhaven. I needed that time to think, to watch the whales break the surface in front of the ship, to observe the schools of dolphins and put my thoughts together. It was a big deal.
I had flown over the Atlantic many times. Well, this time the voyage was open-ended. I could do this, whereas others want to but can’t. I was single, I had the time, I had the money to pay the passage. My family gave its blessing – they understood very well why I wanted to leave. Other people have children or have jobs they can’t even think of leaving, because they need the security. Or they have homes. I myself own a condo, but I wouldn’t stay in place just because of a piece of property. I’m turning fifty this year, so I’m hardly a spring chicken, but I saw my opportunity and I seized it.
We were no longer living in the same country
Independence Day is coming up. What was the actual cause or motivation that compelled your own personal declaration of independence from the United States?
It’s a belief that we no longer live in the same country as before 9/11. I’m not at all pleased about the changes we’ve seen since then. I think that in many ways we have become the things we claim to hate: We hate terrorism and we hate indiscriminate violence. Unfortunately, over the past ten years we have been consistently practicing just that. Invading countries, kicking in the doors of innocent people. We know that soldiers acting in our name have raped and tortured. I thought at first that hopefully this would pass. But it keeps going on. We’ve had ten years of war, and I suspect that if we had the money we would wage even more war elsewhere. It has become a way of life.
I don’t like the way the country is going domestically, either. I’m very conscious of the development in Wisconsin, stripping workers of collective bargaining rights. At some point I decided I’d had enough. I’m not going to pay taxes to subsidize this madness. I’m not going to devote part of my income to building guns and tanks and fighter jets, paying to place soldiers abroad to rape people, to kill and terrorize them. I’m not going to be a part of that.
If I thought things could be changed, I would have stayed
Some people might hear what you say and respond that these are all good reasons to stay home and fight for a better society. Somebody like Martin Luther King had excellent reasons for leaving the States, but decided to remain and paid the supreme price for it. Other activists such as Noam Chomsky have also stayed put and keep writing and speaking. So even if what you say is accurate, why leave the country rather than remain within it and fight against what you perceive is wrong?
I’m reading the signs. In Nazi Germany there came a point when people said, “I can’t stay here and fight. I have to leave, I’m in danger.” Now I never thought I was in danger in the States, but I saw no future for myself. If I thought things could be changed, I would have stayed.
For ten years I operated an antiwar museum [the TRACES Center for History and Culture in downtown Saint Paul] and took mobile exhibits all across the Midwest. It was a museum that showed the effects of war, using World War II as a case study. Ironically, I think that in some ways conditions in America are not bad enough. Like Nazi Germany, America maybe has to fall to its knees before people will be able to change. What will it take for people to realize that “Hey, it doesn’t have to be like this. We don’t have to have Wall Street meltdowns and let corporations dictate public policy. We don’t have to let morally corrupt judges rule that corporations are people and can pay for political campaigns.” I don’t think America is salvageable at the moment, largely because people aren’t awake.
"American Progress" by John Gast (1872)
In the pocket of Goldman Sachs
But there have been some positive signs lately. There was President Obama’s recent statement in favor of gay marriage, and his healthcare reform plan passed through the Supreme Court, so change is definitely possible. Do you really think the country is a hopeless cause?
(Laughs.) I do, actually. I campaigned for Obama in 2008. I went door-to-door and made phone calls. I actually had tickets to the inauguration. I was a big supporter of the “change we can all believe in.”
The problem is that it’s now clear that Obama sits in the pocket of Goldman Sachs. Even though I’m sure he’s a very pleasant fellow and would be a great guy to have a conversation with in a beer hall, he is beholden to the people who finance his expensive campaigns. So we’re screwed: The man who was supposed to deliver massive change can’t do it because he has to pay the fiddler.
As far as gay marriage is concerned, as a gay man I resent what I see as a cynical move on Obama’s part. Five years ago, he could have said the same thing on his way to the White House, namely that all Americans had the right to protect their unions. He has only had his epiphany in the last couple of months? Gimme a break. It was an obvious political ploy. It cheapens and renders tawdry the entire issue.
But why move to Europe, of all places? Aren’t Germany and the EU just playing good cop to America’s bad cop around the world?
Europe’s not perfect, but it has a few things going for it. For one thing, you’ve got over two thousand years of recorded European history. These are deep cultures. Our culture is much younger. We’re a young country, and we don’t have the depth to navigate a huge crisis. I don’t think we have the staying power to bring about real changes.
Part of the problem in the States is that we tend to believe our own propaganda: That we’re the best country in the world, that we’re the most democratic country. But we aren’t the most democratic country. When it’s a question of getting one’s needs met, other countries do a much better job. Just look at northern Europe, at Scandinavia and Germany, when it comes to healthcare and other indicators of a decent life.
One common argument you may have heard from your critics is “what if everybody did it?” Do you think everybody who feels like you do should leave the US? Or is this a very personal step for you?
Everyone will have to make his or her own decision. I made mine after very, very long and studied deliberation, weighing all the options and asking myself some extremely hard questions. But I think we have a fascist climate in the United States. We should stop pretending we’re a democracy. Most people have very little influence on their elected officials. So, what if everyone left? Well, that would certainly be sending a message, wouldn’t it now? The educated class should leave. What would that say to the people left behind pulling the strings? I had to leave because I could no longer stomach the nasty things I saw going on all around me. Not just the politics, but the way the political situation mirrors the kind of people we are becoming. The values we are adopting, our disengagement from one another, a deteriorating culture. Europe isn’t perfect, but in America there is simply no counterweight to mitigate all these developments.
Fascism is a very strong word. You yourself are a historian, and back in the 90s you wrote your doctoral dissertation in Germany, about refugees who fled the Nazi regime for America. You also founded a museum and drove portable exhibits about POWs around the Midwest for many years. Do you really think the word “fascism” is applicable to America under George W. Bush and Barack Obama?
If we define fascism as rule by corporate interests, by the business elite, then it certainly is. Add in militarism, constant warfare, surveillance and the suspension of basic human rights, then we clearly live in a fascist society, in spirit if not in name.
I've come home

Back to the roots: Esslingen on the Neckar (click to enlarge)
While your family has been in the USA since the 1630s, some came over from Germany in the early nineteenth century. How does it feel to be the first member of your family to move back?
Like my ancestors, I’ve cut my roots and decided to start a new life somewhere else. But it feels odd to be going in the opposite direction. At the same time, I’ve been living for the past year in Swabia, just ten miles away from Esslingen on the Neckar, where my father’s side of the family once lived before heading to the Midwest in the 1830s. I’ve met relatives and I’ve walked the streets where my family lived for hundreds of years. My European roots are thousands of years old. I feel like I’ve come home. I feel like I belong here.
I’m glad my family moved to America back then. It has been an enriching experience for us. But I think the country is taking a very sinister turn. It isn’t the country we were born into, the country we wanted to have. I don’t want to spend my life there.
No one ever heard of an American emigrating
What would have to happen in the US for you to reverse your decision?
There would have to be real changes, not just a few dissidents saying “wouldn’t it be nice if…?” It’s not right that people like the Kochs, with their deep pockets, can dictate public policy. There’s nothing democratic about that.
You’ve been speaking and writing about your decision ever since you arrived here last year. How do the Germans in your audience respond when you say you have immigrated here because you believe the US is going fascist?
They are very surprised. Hardly anyone has heard of an American emigrating anywhere. Before I left, I stopped in the Saint Paul library looking for books on Americans who have done so. There were thousands of books on people immigrating, but none on people emigrating. That said everything. It has happened, of course. Many immigrants in the early twentieth century moved on elsewhere, or else returned to Europe. Up to a third or more. But people in the US cannot imagine how anyone could ever turn up the opportunity to live in God’s Own Country. I don’t see it that way. I appreciate the opportunity to choose.
Despite all of this, is there anything you miss about America?
I miss my family. I miss my friends. I miss Mexican food. I miss the Midwest.
You don’t miss freedom?
I don’t think America is as free as Germany is. Freedom is the ability to make choices, to get your needs met. Look at the situation in America – the unemployment, the unaffordable college tuition, the unresponsive government. How can you be free if you can’t choose? There is freedom of speech in theory, but it doesn’t mean much if people don’t use it. The country has been shanghaied by moneyed interests. Where are “We the people”? Where is the outrage? I don’t want to live in a country where most people are passive and just muddle through.
So what are your plans for this Independence Day?
I will be spending the day quietly, but also thoughtfully, aware of the contradictions behind not only the date and what it's supposed to represent, but also of the turn the country is taking.
Mr. Luick-Thrams, thank you for this discussion.
Born and raised on a farm in northern Iowa, historian and author Michael Luick-Thrams now lives in southern Germany, where he teaches, lectures, and writes. His traveling exhibition on the survival strategies of German and American POWs during World War II, part of his TRACES program, is currently on display at the German-American Institute in Tübingen. For more information, you can visit his website at www.TRACES.org.



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The point I might add is the difference between the US and Europe in general when it comes to cultural integration and understanding. Americans, by and large, don't travel. What we know about other cultures comes from those who arrive here, not their way of life in the lands we come from. Americans have fewer passports than any other developed country, and the vast majority are either on the East or West coast.
That explains a lot and why I think more culturally astute folks like Mr. Luick-Thrams leave. Aside from a half dozen cities, and small pockets within them, it gets pretty claustrophobic for the more adventurous. And those who do will often find themselves incomprehensible to those who don't.
Perhaps if Americans would travel more, and learn how the rest of the world lives and thinks, people lilke Mr. L.-Th. wouldn't feel they have to emigrate.
Regarding the US and Europe being run by the same interests, that is very true. The only way to escape globalization these days is to leave the planet. But I hear that the large corporations are already staking out prospecting rights on the moon...
That's why I'm only here half of the year. The Mexicans say that it's good to have a place in another country because you never know when you might need to leave town. As to fascism, every society has some of those characteristics. England had Cromwell, and Spain had the Inquisition.
And as a keen observer of all things political, I still believe in fighting and not being afraid, even though I'm a deep profound pessimist by nature.
Of course, plenty of people move abroad, many of them more or less permanently (I should know, since I've one of them, having spent around a quarter of a century in Europe). But few of us call it "emigration," with all the emotional and cultural baggage that term entails, and that's what this interview is about.
This is the first time I've seen that anywhere in writing. I agree and though I've said it for a few years, I get blank stares. When a large enough segment of the population is suffering and afraid, then they will wake up and demand change. It's hard to sleep when you're in pain and filled with fear.
It will happen eventually because the problems won't fix themselves. I wish I could leave because I don't want to see the suffering but, what will be, will be. Great post, thank you.
Rated.
In any case, this guy sucks and I will be mentally flipping him and his ilk off for leaving a sinking ship rather than saving it.
"oh it's too hard in America" and "America isn't changing fast enough for me." well BOOHOO!
Good riddance to bad rubbish I say! Out with the whiners. I want people who are willing to stand up and make a difference.
Now excuse me while I go to create "Sparkler ICBM" for this year's fireworks display. Pray for our fire department.
The people who hate America are running it. Just as the robber barons aren't thought of very kindly in the history books. If the arc of history truly bends towards justice the political and business elites -- in America today -- will be viewed in much the same manner.
At least the robber barons became philanthropists. Today's plutocrats are buying our political system, and making things even more corporatist. Bill Gates is ostensibly doing something, I don't follow his work -- I'm not too familiar with the work that he does.
Nobody is going to miss him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAbQP4ryZEI
That's my worry too.
Thanks for sharing this, I enjoyed very much.
I seriously doubt any American will be able to find a new country that will satisfy all our yearning for what used to be. We all tend to yearn for the things we remember fondly and ignore the things we fought to change and won. But I do agree with Michael Luick-Thrams when he says we Americans need to wake up and pay attention to what's happening around us and stop deluding ourselves about our relative greatness in the world.
I am choosing to stay and continue the fight, but my optimism is waning rapidly.
Lezlie
The country I left behind is there when I go back, but then so are the scary people who used to freak the hell out of me when they said things like "If you are not a Christian you are going to Hell. Period", or "America, love it or leave it".
These sort of statements, unfortunately, don't leave much room for either compromise, or even polite discussion.
Now, if these sort of people, in my mind, uneducated, were allowed to just exist and they didn't get in anyone's way, which most of them don't, that would be ok.
Unfortunately, whenever I go back to America, I can't help but see that many religious people are beginning to force their beliefs on others, and when these others fight back, and rightly so, they can't take it. So out comes the hellfire and brimstone.
Yes, that America is still there.
And also this new one I began to intuit back in '88 when I left, one where the middle classes, America's great legacy on the world, were starting to diminish.
I remember in the 1990s watching Oprah on British television, and listening to heart-breaking stories of normal families which lived from paycheck to paycheck, and God forbid anyone should get sick.
I have read about families in the US going bankrupt when illness hits them and they can't pay their medical bills.
I have been reading recently about college graduates still paying student loans from 1991...in 2012!
So, when people say America is in the hands or religious kooks and corporations, it is hard not to agree in part.
Of course, this is only part of the picture. America is still many wonderful things but, increasingly, this corporate and religious movement is starting to affect how many people live, and does so in a most negative way.
Europe, as has been said, does have at least 2000 years of recorded history, though its recorded history is over 2700 years old, in fact. There is no way America could compete with that.
But it does not have to. The weight of history has its problems too. Europe is a wonderful place to live in, but make no mistake, it is no paradise.
There are problems here too.
Perhaps the main difference is the way Europeans try to handle their societies. One of the keywords is respect. And diversity. And well being.
And many of the ideas they now hold so dear, believe it or not, started up in the US. So when you look at the US from Europe, it is painful to watch what passes for 'respect' over there. How it is ok for a hate group to picket a soldier's funeral because 'God hates fags' under the banner of free speech.
How racial profiling is still very much alive. How education seems to be a very minor concern for most politicians, something I find ironic since the US has the top universities on Earth.
How many people are being left behind because their income is not as high as other people's.
Yes, that was also there when I left in '88. But why is it still there in 2012?
http://open.salon.com/blog/aog/2012/07/03/travelling_with_americans
Thanks for your input! I flew out in 1991, mainly for professional but also for family reasons, and while I enjoy my rare visits home, I'm happy living in Berlin.
At least I have achieved that.
For me it was also a long and painful decision. No country is perfect but I believe I deserve at least a a life at or above a certain threshold. A minimum, if you will. Arguing about whether a church backed hospital can offer a health insurance plan that covers contraception? Arguing about whether universal health care is a fascist takeover? A place where half the people don't believe the science of climate change? A place where people earning 7/hr believe firefighters, policemen and teachers are the cause of all their problems?
I can't stand it. And the trajectory looks to be worsening with the influence of money. Things do not look good. But more importantly they look to be getting dangerously worse. There may soon come a time when Americans (or rather average Americans) wont be allowed to leave. Or the elite will make it impossible in effect.
No country is perfect. But I'd like to find out what it feels like to not have to spend so much time and energy fighting for just the very basics that are every human right (in the richest country in the world) and use that time and energy (and money) to do something positive for those around me and in the world.
While the jury is out as to whether I'll give up my citizenship, I will participate politically and financially to try to help the country and my fellow citizens who don't have the ability to leave. But I myself will do it from afar. Sanity and peace of mind and a minimal quality of life matter to me. I don't see it happening anytime soon here.
Too many hidden things here.. too much power for so few.
Heidi B told me to come and read this and it blew me away.
HUGGGGGGGGGGG
I guess quite a few of us do not have a cushy place to land if we flee the US, since those places that love the white descendants of their own people do not want anything to do with the rest of us, particularly if we come without funds or specialized skills. I'd like to see Germany be more hospitable to the imported labor they already have living there. Even people born there are not considered German unless their parents were.
The reality is that Michael was probably as safe and comfortable in the US as he is in Germany. While leaving is an act of personal protest--I get that--it's also only available to those Americans who already have the privilege to live comfortably in the US.
I hope he has better luck than a Canadian couple I read about. In the early 80s they became convinced that a nuclear war would break out in their lifetimes and perhaps sooner rather than later. After researching what part of the globe might avoid the worst of it, they emigrated to the Falkland Islands, just six months before Argentina invaded.
The most recent cycle:
High 1945-1964
Awakening 1965-1984
Unraveling 1985-2004
Crisis 2005-2024
The last several crisis periods, which occur every 80 years are:
Glorious Revolution 1700
Revolution of Independence 1780
Civil War 1860
World War II 1940
Based on this theory, we have entered the Crisis period, in which our culture is undergoing a transformation. The bad news is we may very well endure a conflict. The good news is, like all previous Crisis periods, we will endure and our culture will change into a better, more equitable system.
Over the next 10 years, in the darkest hours, just remember, the light of truth will shine again, and a new age of prosperity will rise.
More information:
http://www.fourthturning.com/my_html/body_turnings_in_history.html
I returned to the USA in 2006 for a new job, and currently live in each country about half the year. That's as much as I can handle living in the US before I need a break. The culture changed so much in the intervening 13 years, or perhaps I just got used to living in a freer, more open and relaxed, less consumerist and less fanatically religious society, with less social tension and stratification. I love my job in the US and my colleagues, but living overseas really does change your perspective. The US really does seem like a schizoid country. I often wish it would just split in two and get it over with.
The most significant sentence in what Luick-Thrams had to say up above was:
“While I know Europe isn’t perfect, here in Germany there’s a multi-party parliament, so it’s not just Tweedle-dum and Tweedle-dee like WE have.
In any case, he is free to do whatever he wants with his life. If he chooses to be a cry-baby and run away...I am fine with his choice.
That sounds like an excellent balance you've found: Half the year in the States, half in New Zealand. For seven years I had a very pleasant summer teaching job at a university in the Midwest. That way I could enjoy the summer and see my parents and siblings, but return to "real life" come August. As long as you can make something like that work, I think it beats outright emigration.
I agree that that is the key sentence. The two-party system has very definite limitations, e.g. the fact that it never gets anything done! At least in a parliamentary system, large groups of people have their own parties and can influence policy. As new interest groups rise up, they can form their own parties and be heard. One example that I've been writing about here extensively: The Pirate Party. In the US, by contrast, third parties don't have a snowball's chance of hell in getting elected, and we see the consequences of that rigidity every day.
Re the Canadian couple that moved to the Falkland Islands to avoid war: There's got to be a funny movie plot in there somewhere!
That sounds like an adventure! I hope you'll share your experiences with us on OS.
The promise admittedly is a tad tarnished these days, and some would say it was a less noble promise than it seemed at first, turning out to be a license to steal a country from its original inhabitants. That is what happened, of course. That's in our DNA and family lore, as well. But here we are. We can run again to somewhere else. Not sure where that might be, a place of rose gardens without the thorns. I'm staying put.
Thanks for pointing me to Julie's poem! The interview appears to have struck a nerve, giving voice to a lot of misgivings that people are having this July 4. I'm delighted at the active, stimulating discussion here.
Thanks for a very encouraging comment! I also hope the younger generation will lead the country in new and positive directions, which makes me sometimes wish I was back there teaching college again.
One of the reasons I abandoned conservatism is that as much as I might find its arguments compelling in the abstract, taking its ideas out into the real world and using them as the basis for ordering an entire complex society was horrifying. Conservatism is fine in a college bull session but not so good in real life.
One example: I fully appreciate on philosophical grounds those who think abortion is an evil, a sin, even from the moment of conception. Yet, within the anti-abortion movement itself is the fertilized egg of fascism. Give me someone doing the hard missionary work of winning over hearts and minds one at a time to the pro-life position in their own life, and I will stand up and cheer. But imagine for a moment The Ministry of the Protection of Life, created when President Sarah Palin and the Tea Party Congress gain power and create a new cabinet-level department empowered to register all women who become pregnant and to follow them with MPL field agents throughout their term and to the moment of birth. And these agents are equipped with portable vaginal probe ultra-sounds which they are authorized to use at a moments notice during surprise inspections.
That is a little how I feel about the ideas here. Perfectly fine in the abstract, but whose consequence is a society none of us would like to live in if more people followed the principal's lead.
For celebrating the Fourth, I recommend checking www.voterocky.org, along with his bio on Wiki. The time has never been more ripe for a third party president.
And I can't help but recommend my own site, www.danielgeery.com. There are tens of thousands, indeed millions of us, clamoring for a vision for our species and a means to get there.
I do encourage Michael to help encourage us from afar, as he has already started to do with points made in this interview.
We become what we love. We do not become what we hate.
You hate capitalism and the concept of a free meritocracy,
and love the idea of an entitlement based European socialism,
and so you are happy to leave the country that you despise
because it did not give you all you wanted.
Good luck in Germany. I left Britain to get away from
all that you love. Maybe if more like you left America
we would not have to have this discussion so often.
Thanks, I agree with your point of view. There are probably many options out there to turn our problems around, but no consensus or common will to do anything. The two-party system is part of the problem, but it is also an excuse.
@Sparky
I like the bit about "becoming what we love." We clearly need a positive vision, and I feel that's been absent for a great many years now. By the way, I'm not the one emigrating, I'm the interviewer. Yes, I am an expatriate, but I moved to Germany for purely career and family reasons. I have no plans to move back to the States, largely for the same basic reasons that brought me here in the first place, but that has nothing to do with politics.
Well said. I'm sure many here fill the same way.
@Ted Frier
I love your input here. Yes, I know all about utopian systems, having lived through the last phase of the East German dictatorship. I personally like the basic sound of libertarian policies, but realize you would need to construct a vast totalitarian structure to make any of them work. And wasn't it Mussolini who said that "fascism is the only way to make socialism work"? That's why I'm no friend of utopias, except in scifi novels, where they belong.
"It's important for people to be in a place where they thrive and contribute to the thriving of others, wherever that may be."
In the end, that's what really counts. Thanks for this.
As a member of the ignorant conservative class, I have to applaud
your cunning plan for lefties to stay and not leave. In this way you
can enjoy all of the democratic freedoms of capitalism while still remaining true to your ideals. You can occupy, and run around
protesting this and that while annoying the greater part of America.
Excellent strategy!
I do agree with the sentiment that everyone should (if they can),gravitate to a country they feel most simpatico with,
so I would encourage lots of political emigration.
I had harbored hopes that you'all would leave the States on route
to your socialist utopia. In fact I was planning on voting for any legislation that would purchase a one-way ticket for all the
malcontents, on the proviso though that they could not ever return, but I guess your idea has dashed that small hope.
On the other hand, it is pretty certain that, in time,
political naivety will always give way to common sense in some manner or form, so all is never lost.
As others have commented, it is really about choice and ability, for the short term. At my age and in my situation my only real asset as a citizen is as a story teller.. and I can do that anywhere so it may as well be here, to tell the stories :).
Rated for Going global is here, but not in any planetary sense sadly.
The easy arrogance, and pretension, toward a privileged, progressive, liberal myopic point of view, with lines such as: "No one ever heard of an American emigrating", intentionally misquoting the interviewee (in outsized bold, no less) who actually said " Hardly anyone has heard of an American emigrating anywhere" [my emphasis], which hardly registers any better, on the intelligence meter. I mean, try googling "list of famous expats" in various countries...
ah....... which brings me to the next pair of eyesores, quote: "I’m not just living in an enclave, in a bubble, like so many other Americans abroad.", and this real gem: "The educated class should leave. What would that say to the people left behind pulling the strings?"
Well... heavens, those poor, ignorant slobs left behind once all the "brains" immigrated, what would they do!??? After all, that same "educated class" of people have left the country in such a beautiful state already, haven't they, I mean, just peachy, right? Probably they'd throw one helluva party and celebrate "your et. al." departure, I think. You ought to pay closer attention to Chomsky. He has freely acknowledged the irony of his "class" priviledge, having given him adequate cover to espouse his progressive (libertarian socialist/anarchist) opinions, with which, in case I'm confusing you, I am in almost total agreement.
I have two sets of very neat looking, holographic, work and stay permit stamps, from Germany, in my old (U.S.) passport, and I know, precisely, just how difficult it was, and how much help I needed, to get them. So I'm calling b***sh*t(!) on part of the premiss of this, your post (as I see it, of course), which is, that this guy could be so self aware, and so self possessed, that after only one year of living in another country, and immersed in another language culture, that he could even pretend to expound on the subject with any authority, beyond a certain naïve spectacle, of yet another amerikanicher spouting their educated opinions to the would-be lumpenproletariat.
Tschüss, bis dann.
he left america, where people of every race shop, dine, work, and attend sporting events together peacefully (more or less) . . .
to teach school in a lily white european country which is infamous for its skinhead attacks and taunts on black soccer players from visiting teams.
nice !!!!!
i'm sure your friend can teach the rest of us a lot about moral relativism.
You certainly make some good points, but if you read the article closely you will see that skinheads and taunts against soccer players were not his motivation.
Among part of the comments, I noticed two sides forming: "you did well and have my support" versus "good you left, we don't want you anyway, go whine [optional addition:] while others stay their ground and fight".
Could it not be that Michael Luick-Thrams both fought AND left - in that order? Perhaps he has spent years trying to change things but then considered that certain phenomena had gained such an inertial momentum that they probably would not become reversible for a while? After war, Agricola went farming instead of becoming a consul. We (probably) only have one life to live. For a sensitive person, after one's share of struggle and windmills, why not choose a bucolic setting for the second half of this life, in pursuit of one's own happiness? Just a thought.
'truly believe' being the key phrase.....
God forbid!!!
This post of yours was interesting for me too,as I want to leave the continent,at least for some time.
Home is where your heart is,and I left mine in Canada.
Rated for a good topic on migration,on either side.
What is wrong about going back to roots in a different land from that you were born and grew up in?
Some comments are so sad .The promised land has abandoned her promise.
Matt,as you well know,I have been exposed to an awful lot of abusive behaviour here in Germany,and I too,have the tendency to move back to Canada.It comes down to the same issue:If a country is not providing you with a fair chance of leading a decent life,you have the choice:Either you submit to it or you leave.That is what all forbearers of Americans have done.
America as a country is not to blame;circumstances like the 9/11 attack and the ongoing wars have helped to get people deeply disturbed and disappointed in a country that used to be the only place on earth where freedom and well being was not just an emty phrase.
Tom,if you make a statement like you did here,I can only guess how deep the desperation has infiltrated and become part of the American society.
...come and see for yourself if you find a "lily white"nation such as Germany.We have had a fairly high rate of immigrants coming from different countries.A lot of them are refugees.The first ones to my knowledge have come from Vietnam who could clearly be distinguished in society.That is only one example,and there are many others.
By what methods does one just change countries -- with permission?
Is this the part no one wants to talk about as it's not that easy or legal to do?
I'll ask and post the answer below.
As to the Roma:Have you lived with any?
True,there are decent ones,even a famous artist dynasty in Breisach,(Skywalker artists Traber)
but we have others too,huge clans,begging professionally although they have financial support from the government.
I understand what you mean. Europe is wonderful in very many ways, but ultimately it's a bore, I find. In America, people still feel passionate about things, in one way or another. Here, not so much. And yet, if Europe starts feeling passionate again, that could spell trouble...
@Factsaboutecuador
Thanks for the tip! Your magazine sounds fascinating.
I'd like to leave, but now that I hear you'd like us gone, I'll stay just to piss you off. And cancel out your vote, more importantly.
How enlightened.
My other reasons for not leaving is I am Black and I don't know how that would be in different countries who are also facing immigration issues. African & Arab immigrants are akin to the issues that Americans have with Mexican immigrants in Europe.
Too many countries on the continent of Africa are destabilized - largely due to economic instability related to the World Bank and other such organizations. I wish I had a place that could be a refuge...
Rated.
yeah, that is a bit of a red flag for me too. this sounds a lot like the plot from atlas shrugged, recently turned into a movie, where the contrast there was the producer vs the parasite classes.
more on ayn rand in my blog.
I dont see anyone in the comments really taking on his criticisms of our culture though. americans can barely grasp that a significant part of our economy is now militarized. we literally dont make money/profit unless theres a war going on somewhere. crazy thought? no, its the hard core harsh reality of our present situation, and the intense blindness and denial of this simple factoid has gotten us into the current hole. [someone cited chomsky. was it AN? yeah a great authority on the subj].... as they say, if you want to get out of a hole, maybe stop digging.
Yes, I agree that this has been a fantastic and all-too rare discussion!
@boko
You wrote:
"The worst effect of all the police state crap since 9/11 has been to erase the significant advantage the US had over China in the minds of many people."
Very true. Let me add that it also erases the distinction between the US and the various "rogue states" that we're supposed to be intervening in 24/7. That's a precarious position for the US to be in. "Soft power," once it is gambled away, is very hard to earn back.
since i didn't have to stay and be a part of this criminal activity, i left.
I would only disagree with you on your assertion that there is more freedom in Europe than in your own country. Yes, I do think overall Europe is better in having your needs met and in the provision of basic needs than America, yet over the last decade I have noticed American trends becoming increasingly more and more common over here in Europe especially in the current economic climate following the credit crunch. And geopolitically I am sorry to say most European countries appear to now be nothing but vassals and yes men to the US. Even Germany, which I would have credited with a modicum of common sense and international conscience in light of its own recent history, seems to be more than ready and willing to do whatever the American government asks of it, even if they like to keep that fact very quiet and behind the scenes.
My wife and I emigrated from the UK to Germany (Im British and my wife is German) around 18 months ago for very similar reasons. I was fed up of my taxes going towards a system in which I had no real voice to change anything and in which I felt I was in economic slavery, and whose policies internationally I loathed. My wife convinced me things were better in Germany but after been here for over a year now Im not so sure, and as things get worse because of the Eurocrisis I believe we are going to see a resurgence of fascism in Europe as is now the case in Greece.
In the UK hard work no longer pays. A significant proportion of the working population are struggling by on low pay and can barely make ends meet in a climate of rising prices. I read somewhere that in France 50% of the working population earn less than $25000 per annum and I dont think its any better in the UK. So all these people are basically just being milked by the state for taxes and by the corporations for their effort while the 1% get even richer.
The OWS protesters in your country had the right idea but I dont think the majority of Americans are ready for them yet. Like you said in your article I too believe America would have to come down on its knees before there would be any significant change in its policies both at home and worldwide, and that is the problem. I personally believe we are not far off from world war 3.