As the movement variously known as Occupy Wall Street (OWS) or “We are the 99%” enters its second month, I wanted to take a moment to reflect on what it's done and where it's going.
Polls continue to suggest that support for the the movement is growing. A recent NBC poll had suggested that 37% of the public were sympathetic to its goals. Now more recently Time is out with another poll suggesting that 54% of the public has a positive view of the movement.
Of course, allegedly competing groups have sprung up to muddy the waters, calling themselves things like “We are the 53%” and “Actually, You're the 47%” have gotten involved, but there's no evidence these are representative of anything. The fact that the Time poll shows a 54% positive rating for OWS makes it seem unlikely that the “We are the 53%” movement can speak for some ethereal opposition. That would already add up to 107%.
But one thing is clear: A lot of people are trying to speak out.
But about what?
Well, different things. Their web page (one of them) asserts, “Occupy Wall Street is leaderless resistance movement with people of many colors, genders and political persuasions. The one thing we all have in common is that We Are The 99% that will no longer tolerate the greed and corruption of the 1%.” Officially, it's not about party or position. I've even heard the word “apolitical,” used to describe it, as here on the October 1 edition of the new MSNBC show Up with Chris Hayes—a series I just cannot say enough good things about.
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There's been discussion, of course, about whether you can have a political movement that has no agenda or rallying principles. It's like a vacuum that's waiting for something, and the sad truth is that such a vacuum is unstable. Something or someone will move to fill it if these people don't. For example, it's been speculated that the entrance of labor unions into the mix ends any appearance of political neutrality. Conservative publications have begun to paint the movement as “funded by” more formal organizations like labor unions that have joined the fray.
The New American, for example, suggests “Labor unions, communists, ‘community organizers,’ socialists, and anti-capitalist agitators have all joined together to ‘Occupy Wall Street’ and protest against ‘greed,’ corporations, and bankers. But despite efforts to portray the movement as ‘leaderless’ or ‘grassroots,’ it is becoming obvious that there is much more going on behind the scenes than meets the eye.”
It seems clear to me that The New American is engaging in opportunistic spin for the sake of appeasing or leading a base which is predisposed to think these things. But it doesn't matter to my point. I mention it only to indicate that a movement can't remain agendaless and leaderless for a long time and still get something done. Whether it has already done so or will do so in the future, it will need to take some sides.
Facing the Political Realities of the Culture War
There seems to be a hunger for a new kind of politics or even something outside of politics. And sure, one can hunger for all kinds of things, even things that don't exist or can't exist. But practically speaking, I don't think it's possible to be outside of politics. Politics is a process by which groups of people make collective decisions. You might find a new process, but you can't get out of the game.
So, for example, this could become a political party of its own or it could ally itself with an existing party. But it can't say “let's not have political parties,” at least not all in one step. It has to go step by step. Power right now is held by the people they are railing about, and those people will not go quietly from office. Someone will have to run for office, and that someone will have to have specific ideas and policies that appeal to enough of the voters—apolitical as they profess to be—that a majority will prefer to vote for the same agent of change.
There's a war on, in case you hadn't noticed. The Republicans like to grumble that Democrats are trying to start class warfare. But that's just their spin machine talking. They already started the class warfare. It's there in a great many Republican policies and proposed policies. It's why the rich have been getting richer and the poor have been getting poorer. See my article To Serve Our Citizens for a few examples of what I'd call class warfare by the Republicans, but it's just the tip of a very large iceberg.
One of the great innovations of the American system is not the last resort availability of the the Second Amendment as a remedy of last resort, but rather the peaceful transition of power. It's quite an amazing notion that rather than fight a bloody war every four years over things that really matter to us, we effectively just scheduled an every-four-years peaceful transition of power between regimes that are often quite politically different.
This process of change we use is remarkable, but we've done absolutely nothing—not in 1776 and not now—to revise our individual psyches. We still feel the same passions as people in other countries who accomplish a change of leadership with guns. The stakes are just as high. And even peaceful change still requires planning, organization, work, and sacrifice—just hopefully not sacrifices in terms of blood.
The people who have the power just as passionately don't want to give it up. So if you have a movement that has no agenda and no leader, the opposition is going to say “fine, we'll use our agenda and our leader.” And that will be that. If you want the power, you have to take it. Thank goodness this movement doesn't want to use its second amendment remedies. Good call. I'm sure the non-violent approach accounts for some of the broad-based support. But it has to be prosecuted in other ways as a war would be. In particular, there will many battles to be fought, not just one, before the overall war can be won. Let's not make the mistake of thinking that a bit of shock and awe will cause “the 99%” to be greeted as liberators by “the 1%.”
In thinking through this war metaphor, I came to ponder whether the The Powell Doctrine had any useful application to what's going on. Some of the items on Powell's checklist seem to have been accounted for, but others have not. They are:
Excerpts of The Powell Doctrine
- Do we have a clear attainable objective?
- Is there a plausible exit strategy to avoid endless entanglement?
This movement has no clearly defined agenda, and hence no clearly attainable objective.
I might even suggest that if one were defined, it would already have been attained. A lot of people have learned they are not alone. That is a big victory against a power elite that has wanted to use spin to suggest that “things are working just fine, thank you.”
There is talk of being there for much longer, but while a few die-hards may be in it for such a long haul, most will need to go back home and work. It's expensive to remain camped out for a long time. And what's to be gained? Perhaps some small things, but at large risk.
The Need to Evolve
The opposition has responded clumsily, resulting in some shakey, handheld videos, taken from awkward angles, of people getting pepper sprayed inappropriately or even outright beaten. In one case, a woman was arrested for what appears on video to be simply doing business with her bank. In the latter case, the claim was that a number of people had refused to leave the bank when requested, which is odd since she had already left the bank and they had to haul her forceably back into the building. That raises questions.
However, if the group stays in place, the opposition will find more sophisticated ways to act that doesn't draw this kind of visible attention. What's being protested is cash, after all, and that cash hasn't gone away. It will still buy a lot of public relations and a lot of slick video editing and advertising.
In my judgment, what this movement needs most is to be identified with people not with an event. The event itself has had its effect. It's time to change the circumstances of the game before the opposition becomes too used to it. They will become experts at responding to occupations. But this ought not really be about occupation, it ought to be about change.
So, to paraphrase advice usually credited to the late Senator George Aiken (R-VT) about the Vietnam war: it's perhaps time to declare victory and bring the troops home.
It would be ironic if a movement such as this, which many have compared to the protests of the Vietnam war, ended up itself becoming a quagmire, like Vietnam. For those not familiar with that reference, I found this very nice explanation of the quagmire problem on the web:
Q. Why is Vietnam a quagmire?
A. Because the enemy (communists) were ‘grinning at us’ knowing we couldn't win it (without taking drastic measures), and we couldn't withdraw from it without looking like fools. So we were stuck! So, Nixon had to figure out a way of getting the US out...with honor.
Source: Answers.com
Iraq and Afghanistan have mostly the same issues, of course.
And that's the problem facing the 99%. They may have reached the limits of what they can do by sitting in a park. The rest of the hard work of a peaceful movement needs to be done by other means. For example, there need to be detailed suggestions made about how to organize things and those things need careful wordsmithing. The human microphone was a remarkable bit of technology, but not every bit of technology is good for every purpose. Detailed editing might work better online, perhaps by wiki.
And there's also an issue of simple economics. This is the poor fighting the rich, and it's simply expensive to be camped out. These people need to conserve their economic resources for another day.
It's surely the case that if the group leaves these various places, local ordinances will be rushed into place that make it harder for such an action to happen again. As long as nothing bad has happened, OWS will stand as a monument to why such ordinances are not needed. Its example of non-violence will be confirming proof that need for tighter regulation is unwarranted.
I think we would initially see foolishly paranoid laws put in place. It's unconstitutional, of course, since the First Amendment protects against the making of any law “interfering with the right to peaceably assemble.” But it might take a while to work a challenge through the system. I offer this as an example of an activity I'd expect to become roadkill in the rush to “protect” our citizens from peaceful assembly:
Certainly that concert stopped traffic. And from a regulatory point of view, there seems little difference between such a concert and Occupy Wall Street. It's a bunch of people peacefully assembling in a way that is admittedly loud and interferes with traffic. Yet both activities have a purpose that seems to justify the inconvenience. Why the conservative right is not willing to defend peaceful assembly at least as vigorously as they defend the right to carry guns around, I do not know, but they seem to be rushing to characterize these kinds of activities as mobs and to find ways to end-run this First Amendment protection.
What Could Possibly Go Wrong?
So if we might lose this so-fragile right, why do I suggest withdrawing? Because, as time passes, the risk is that agents provocateurs will be hired to infiltrate this large group in order to encourage (or even to commit) illegal acts. Once that happens, the tide could turn on public sentiment and there could be a bunch of expensive theatre orchestrated by those in power to justify additional regulations, as happened with the Patriot Act. Naomi Klein discusses this pattern behavior for political power grabbing in her excellent book The Shock Doctrine.
Science fiction author David Brin's ideas about using sousveillance, or “inverse surveillance” to keep tabs on the police, for example, seem suddenly not the stuff of science fiction, but of desperately practical reality. Certainly there have been lots of cameras around when some bad things have happened. And yet not enough. The police feel comfortable trying to block filming of their acts. In what other area where a crime is being committed would someone who tried to cover it up not find himself indicted for conspiracy in the commission of the crime? We need to help the police see that filming is a good thing, not a bad thing.
But remember that if actors get involved to stage an event, those creating a problem may be paid not to have cameras, thus muddying the waters. Police might later claim the crowd was out of control, and there would be no way to challenge such a statement. Most of the police have been acting in a remarkably restrained and honorable way, but just as with the crowd, there can be exceptions and it can spoil things for everyone. All the moreso if it's orchestrated by people paid to create a certain scenario in order to justify a later political move. The occupiers should not assume they have the power to hold things in check forever since they are exerting no control of any kind.
Strategies like I'm suggesting—constantly changing the rules of the game—are used all the time by enemies of the state in fighting wars. It's called asymmetric warfare. It's a way for a poorly funded force to level the playing field with a well funded force. If terrorists can learn to be clever, then surely ordinary citizens pursuing their ordinary rights through peaceful means might as well learn to be clever as well. It's necessary to change the situation periodically in dramatic ways so that it doesn't exist so long that it can be studied and responded to.
What Occupy Wall Street really has going for it, I allege, is its novelty. And the longer it persists in the same form, the more it loses that novelty. That's dangerous not only to its appeal but also because the longer it remains stable, it can be studied and opposition can be perfected, as in the movie Groundhog Day. It's a mistake to think the 1% are sitting idly. They are planning. If the situation at Occupy Wall Street remains constant, we'll see more effective responses. You can bank on it.
If this is a legitimate political movement, it will survive closing down the event because the people and the concerns will survive. People have met some new friends. Networks have been built and can be leveraged. A true grassroots organization can start to form. New tactics can be employed that continue to surprise. What tactics? I don't know—surprise me. Non-violently, please.
For now people know now that they are not alone. That is the victory and it's already achieved.The danger here is that the people who pulled this off will try to do too much, getting used to the power that is within their grasp. Yet this is what corrupted the others they're railing against. These people need to exercise the wisdom to say “we're done for the day.” Another day, others will do something else of interest.
Tomorrow is Another Day
A legitimate movement must show its ability to outlive its birth, and show itself capable of adapting to the real world where real people live. Occupy Wall Street must be more than an occupation. It must be a commitment to new ways of life back in the real world.
Perhaps next it will be Lawrence Lessig's call for a Constitutional Convention.
Maybe someone will start a new political party, or revive an existing one, or just run as an independent.
The field will again be wide open. But OWS holds fast and things turns violent, or if interest appears to fade, that will be the worst.
I'll close with the St. Crispen's Day speech from Shakespeare's Henry V, which I've adapted in a very minor way to suit the moment:
Old men forget; yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember, with advantages,
What feats he did that day. Then shall our names,
Familiar in his mouth as household words-
Harry the King, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester-
Be in their flowing cups freshly rememb'red.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remembered-
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood keeps the peace with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in England now-a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.
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I spoke of bloodlessness in here, but one thing I omitted, again for space, was a discussion of bloodless consequence. Just because someone is being non-violent in their political approach doesn't mean there is no violence in the system. To cut off aid to poor people is in many cases to kill them, sometimes slowly and painfully. And it's that kind of thing that causes people to act.
So far the situation has been calm, but I agree with you that were the situation to drag out, there is a risk, too, of people losing discipline and wanting to try “other strategies.” A group that prides itself on no centralized control won't be able to stop that. To some extent, I sense that this is a legal dodge by the people starting it, to not be blamed for what happens. But ultimately it will require the courage of someone's convictions to speak for the group and try to even manage it and get it to agree to concessions, since there are other players in the game and expecting to win 100% is unrealistic.
One reason the Republicans have won with these odd agendas has been turnout. They get their base to turn out and rely on the other party's base to be apathetic. When people are hurting, they turn out in greater numbers and elections start to actually resemble what the people want. That may be a good thing, though it's sad to see people have to hurt in order to motivate them to do things like go to the polls.
dude, Im surprised you fell for this revisionist history propaganda, but its subtle stuff.
vietnam was a quagmire because we used *unconstrained* warfare and still lost.
but the Military Industrial Complex has done well on rewriting history so the lessons were erased/forgotton. in our new Quagmires. which are identical. just different.
--sinclair louis
"One withstands the invasion of armies; one does not withstand the invasion of ideas."
--victor hugo
occupy wall street, my speech to the masses
Janus, thanks for sharing that link to WeStandWithThe99Percent.tumblr.com. (I had originally read the name as WestAndWithThe99Percent and confused myself.)
vzn, it's certainly oversimplified but I'm not sure it's that revisionist. No two or three setence explanation is going to capture everything, so thanks for offering your own counterpoint. As I see it, the ongoing cost in dollars was an issue. Growing negative public opinion was an issue. Face saving was an issue. And this quote captured enough of that to be useful, I thought. It's OK if you disagree though. And thanks for the quotes and the cross-references.
At 3PM, Move On had its own small rally at the university. Composed mainly of thirty 60+ year olds, we made picket signs, and we walked through the university. Since universities are now a bastion of class privilege, we got a lot of shocked and surprised looks from the rich college kids. Eventually our march joined up with about 2,000 more marchers.
It was a natural high to see the level of diversity in the crowd that marched from the downtown to near the football stadium. Participants ranged from nine months to 90, and their political beliefs spread across the entire range of liberal-progressive-left-radical-anarchist spectrum. Wealthy people hobnobbed with the homeless. And yes, there were plenty of different races, creeds, and sexual preferences there in the crowd as well.
I believe that OWS is taking a page from the Egyptian peaceful protests. Given the fact that harsher weather is soon here, I anticipate that it will naturally evolve into new directions. The wonderful thing about OWS is that the youngsters are reinventing the wheel to a great extent. In my day, we called it participatory democracy. Today they call it the General Assembly. Same difference.
Listening to the youngsters, it's possible to feel as if I'm eavesdropping in on my much younger self. In no way, shape, or form do I want to participate in General Assembly meetings. I had enough of that many years ago. But the strength of OWS is that peace, labor, social justice, religious communities, and any other sympathetic group can continue to express their solidarity with OWS -- as long as they remain non-violent.
The challenge to OWS as I see it right now is to reach out to the disaffected elements of America where they might not ordinarily go. Expand your self-confidence and your comfort zone. Make contact with your local Tea Party members, and start a dialogue to see what you have in common. An idiot can tell you what our differences are with them. But remember, the Tea Party is angry for many of the same reasons that we are. And the OWS people might actually be surprised to find new allies.
I am sure the movement will continue to evolve and mutate. Its free form and non-hierarchical structure will maximize their creativity. In the end, there is a new spirit in the air. My local newspaper had an editorial supporting the OWS crowd. The headline read:
THERE'S SOMETHING HAPPENING HERE, AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. DO YOU MR. JONES?
http://coupmedia.org/occupywallstreet/occupy-wall-street-official-demands-2009
My personal view is that the objectives and motivations should be obvious.
There seems to be a hunger for a new kind of politics or even something outside of politics.
Jan says it's motivated by fear and that may be so but I think a lot of people were feeling a sense of unease and discontent before things started to get bad; I know I was. It's hard to quantify what you can't quite put your finger on - it's not like there's a big bad dictator everyone agrees they want to oust. Fear may have precipitated this movement but that's a good thing because it puts a face on it.
"This small group, combined with adherence to a rigid ideology increasingly divorced from reality, has inevitably made bad decisions, regardless of how much technology and decision support they could afford. . . . Worse, these decisions have been increasingly based on flights of ideological fantasy (rather than adapt the ideology to a changing reality, they turned inward and added wheels within wheels of complexity). Namely, our economic decision making elite built ziggurats of financial complexity and speculation to produce returns not possible in the real world. Speculation so fantastical, that it produced some of the most grotesque misallocations of capital in history. . . . These financial ziggurats are now crumbling to dust and with it our global economy. A long and grinding economic depression and hollow states await below. So, now we now sit on the edge of the abyss, a real crisis of capitalism. An event potentially so momentous (worse than the depression of the 1930's), that it has the potential to collapse the last great ideology. . . . Ideologies live or die based on how they are applied in the real world and not in how they seem to work in theoretical discussions or books. Any ex-communist can attest to that."
As things deteriorate from a corrupt capitalism, people will increasingly lose faith in it and take action, in the same way that the corruption of the Catholic church caused a loss of faith in the church and motivated the Reformation.
So if you want to see the kind of thing that's going to happen I suggest that you look not to other relatively recent protests, but instead to the Protestant Reformation. Whether the OWS protests peter out or lose novelty, a fundamental change in the intellectual landscape driven by real-world effects will not. Because if Robb is right, what we're witnessing is the start of the destruction of the last great ideology, and as that happens, things are likely to get nasty.
Margaret, I don't think we're all disagreeing on that issue about fear. Fear has many faces. Unease and discontent is a fear that something will go awry, or a fear that someone is not working in our best interest, etc. I think what's changing lately is the sense that the ones who are not acting in favor of the 99% are getting fearful and in a hurry to grab power before someone notices what they're up to. This creates both an opportunity (that in their haste they'll be spotted doing really craven things) and it also creates a danger (that they'll succeed in buttoning things up tight).
Another observation I often make to myself about war and heroism is that you don't get to time it. People who are true heroes often don't get to wait until it's a good time to be a hero. They leave things unsaid. They don't have their affairs in order. The thing for which the heroism is needed often does not wait. An event presents itself and people act in the moment as best they can. I mention this because deliberation might seem cool and the obviously right political strategy, but if there is not necessarily time for deliberation if the opposition is busy searching for ways to make your deliberation illegal, or you know that the consensus building will not terminate until too close to the election to be useful. Sometimes good leaders cut conversations short, even conversations that if continued would yield good information, and go with “good enough.” That is the quality of decisiveness and it's different than being blindly authoritarian. It does not assert that what is being done is necessarily right, but it asserts a willingness to simply make a critical decision on the necessary schedule and to take responsibility for that shortening of the process leading to error.
Much good thought has come from all the discussion. More discussion would lead to more good thought. And so on. But at some point it is enough to work with.
1. I really, really want us to be more towards socialism (especially medicine). The closer it gets to happening, the hungrier I get for it.
2. Hitler was a socialist and was really good for his country...at first.
3. This movement does not have a leader and we need one (so that we can freaking vet her/him- see point 2)
4. Jan's 2nd comment rang a chord, and I'm back to my fear of revolution. Revolution (or instability of any kind) is never good for the weak. I do not want my patients out on the street. Not for the state/country's greed/mismanagement of funds, or the disenfranchised's need for blood. I hear you all, and I get it, but there are those worse off than you. I only ask that you don't obliterate them as you reach for that brass ring.
laugh, you'd think I'd know it already, but one of the joys of growing up Army is that shades of gray have a tendency to get lost in the overwhelming demand for loyalty.
I like thinking I can pick and choose aspects of government I like and not have to belong to any specific group. Messy, but more honest all the way around.
citizens vote, but americans have nothing to vote for, except politicians. there, even the dimmest is beginning to suspect it's just a charade.
without citizen initiative you are not a citizen, anymore than a carpenter without tools is a carpenter. so you 'protest,' like unruly children. how can any good result, without a program, and without a means to change anything even if you know what needs to be changed.
this is america's 'children's crusade.' full marks for good intentions, but 'f 'for execution.
It seems that as things get worse in our western nations, those who have become aware of the blemishes and pitfalls of our form of capitalism are blindly assuming that socialism would correct these problems.
I can only hope that people keep in mind that socialism, as it’s been tried to date, has been found seriously wanting. One of the pitfalls in dumping one system for another based on a philosophy of “either/or” is that both the “either” and the “or” may be equally unable to do the job that we ask of a system. It is stunning to me how often, when I question those who suggest we adopt a socialist system about just exactly what they have in mind - what they mean by “socialism”, I get vague touchy-feely answers or a rant about the evils of capitalism.
Where I do get strong and clear answers, a rarity, I find that I never get the same answers from any two different knowledgeable advocates of socialism. I must wonder just how many forms of socialism there are?!
The thinking of far too many people seems to be along the lines of:
1- Capitalism bad
2- Socialism is the opposite of capitalism
3-Therefore, Socialism good
Can’t say this impresses me very favourably.
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If you comment was directed at me, I cannot fathom its relevance to anything I said. Of course, I am not up on the latest in socialist ways of tying so many things to Canada’s health care system.
My I disabuse you of the idea that health care in Canada is “free”?
Ask any taxpayer in Canada whose tax-freedom day is June 26th whether or not health care is free! ( In the US it’s somewhere around the middle to the end of April)
My US friends can have such “free” health too - if they are willing to pay what we pay for it..........!
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Hi, Sky; "podunk here" (another of my ?"sleep/wake challenged" logging onto OS hours):
Question: Why do you assume that the bottom line of the current OWS movement of people and their activities is that they're asking for 'socialism'? Isn't a part of Kent's discussion the suggestion that there's a degree of flux (the ?"inchoate"?) in what this aggregate of "in the street" assemblages are out there ?"for"? Isn't it possible that the positive potential (if there is one ... let's hope for the moment any way, o.k.?) of all these still not-agenda-specified "OWS"/"97 [or whatever number]%" gatherings .. might be that we don't have to fall back into the earlier "capitalism vs. socialism" dichotomy either for our discussions, or our thinking itself? Yes, I know Kent's post focused on the need to clarify goals and organise around them and I certainly agree with that, in the ?'longer term? of whatever will or won't become of this upsurge of collective gatherings. But in the interim: Aren't we, here on OS (as well as the many who get to the geographical gatherings) part of the, perhaps, ?"interim process"? of productive change itself? If so, why must our exchanges be any more about the pros and cons of 'socialism' (a ?20th century? image/concept) vs. 'capitalism' (that so many knee-jerk dismiss [myself included I confess ;-)] as "nasty, brutish" but unfortunately not so terribly "short"?
In other words, Sky -- why did you "pick on" 'socialism' in your comment? Isn't at least (vaguely?) possible that the energies of OWS here; Arab Spring "there" etc. etc., could be brought together to help formulate a system of group administrations (nation-state; wealth; or otherwise not previously defined) that goes beyond the "capitalism/socialism" dichotomy?
I oughtn't send this long overly impetuous comment but wotthehey, I'm old; gotta go to bed. ;-)
Please guys, remember the other revolutions of the 20th century that also pitted the rich against the poor. The death, destruction, evil and horror (not to mention genocide) they gave the world is greater than that of even Hitler.
And remember too, your computer was made by a corporation.
Bye.
I'd liken it to how sometimes you drive up to a corner in a car and there is no traffic on the near side of the street but there is solid traffic on the far side. No opening. So what do you do? You wait. But only a little while. Then eventually you pull out into traffic and kind of passive aggressively poke your way into the traffic. They finally care and let you in. But the thing is, you could have done this instantly when you arrived at the corner. Why do you wait? Because you are building the moral righteousness to do something passive aggressive that you can defend not by saying &lduqo;this is legal under traffic law” but “this bending of traffic law was necessary because traffic law was not working.”
Right now, there is waiting going on. But it's not purposeless waiting. Things are happening. I'm not denying things are happening for the 99%. They're doing productive things. I don't doubt it. But I don't see an acknowledgment—a healthy fear—that the 1% are doing productive things, too, things that will serve the 1% rather than the 99%. I don't doubt that at some point the 99% will have the moral righteousness to act. The question is whether the 1% will muster similar righteousness to act on their own behalf before the 99% act on theirs.
It can still fall apart.
Another way of saying it: In poker, they say if you don't know who the fool a the table is, it's you. The 99% seems to think it's playing a winning hand. And it's a good hand. But if they think there are no other possible winning hands...
It is still difficult to get my head around the fact that the OWS movement is only asking for accountability regarding corporate activities....using our existing laws. The Far Right does not seem able to reconcile this.
As to the other question about whether this movement will be effective, if you read some of my comments here, you'll see that while I'm sympathetic to the movement, I do indeed think it's an open question whether this will be effective. See my comment above about squandering mandate, like Obama did.
That doesn't mean they don't raise some legitimate points but it seems like more of the same even if it isn't as bad as the crap that is on the Fox network. We need more rational discussion and fair reviews not fast talking scam artists even if they do get it right sometimes.
Naomi Klein's book on the other hand is much better; although I was a little skeptical when she joined in on the fast talking. Both Naomi and Jeremy Scahill do better in their books than they do on their TV appearances.
I have heard people suggest that it's OK to lose a few elections before they win. I think this also is sadly misguided. If this stretches multiple election periods, the Republicans will be tightening controls between, as they've been doing with adjusting voting rules to make it harder for Democrats to vote. Additionally, it neglects various absolutes like the global economic crisis and the global climate change problem. Both of these must be addressed now. The Republicans want to address debt by gutting the middle class, which both isn't going to work and isn't worker friendly. And the Republicans don't think we have to do anything about Climate Change.
I hear people saying we need a new party. Fine. Let them propose and create and implement a new party between now and election. Or let them say it's coming and merely train a voting majority how to do write-in votes. But doing nothing is not doing something. And in procedural terms, at least, what they're doing now is procedurally indistinguishable from doing nothing. Even just put the fear of God (or voters) into some politicians enough that they enact some of that talked-about legislation to clean up corruption. I'd count that as a win. I'm not trying to say what the win must be. They should just do something to justify the enormous cost of this event.
I also agree that the movement needs to evolve. Keeping a step or two ahead of the authorities is vital. But, once again, in such a decentralized movement, how can one be sure that every local action will be beneficial to the movement as a whole?
Thanks for posting this-- excellent thoughts.
I think concern about being left out is not really the core issue here. Great attention is being paid to that, but the problem isn't that there's 1% of the US being left out, it's that 99% of the US is left out. If the people left out felt they were a true minority and that the reasons for leaving them out were sound, they might fuss less. I think everyone knows that no political outcome can satisfy everyone. They just don't want an outcome in which most people are not satisfied and a few are rich. Among other things, if you just made sure most people had jobs and job security, those people could help the ones who were left out. It's when everyone is at risk that there are no strong to help the weak other than the 1% strong who don't care to help the weak. In that light, while I agree the issue of centralization is somewhat of a communication issue, I don't really think it's a barrier to consensus.
If they had even something so primitive as a citizen initiative where the larger community would work on anything for which there was some minimal threshold consensus, I think people wouldn't fear they were being left out. People are not mad to not see every issue they want passed, they're mad to see issues they care about and that they perceive many others care about not even tried because someone is manipulating the system so that even popular ideas (getting rid of corporate personhood, passing a jobs bill, de-fanging corporate lobbyists, eliminating corporate tax loopholes you can drive an ocean liner through, keeping WIC funded, ...) have no chance of even reaching a vote.
http://www.shadowstats.com/
Of those that have managed to remain employed, most have not done so gainfully. the constant threat of layoff, increased work load, and decreased pay and benefits is making existence in America a living hell. Millions have lost their homes and millions more are living under the threat of foreclosure. The American economy that just a few years ago was based on manufacturing is now based on usury, thanks to the pigs in the high rises on Wall Street.The young are living under the burden of permanent servitude to college loans that are in 6 figures. And the old are just waiting for Obama to raid their Social security and pension funds for his war chest. Fighting 6 illegal wars is costly and I strongly doubt whether even the legendarily wasteful Kings of France would have tried that one.
You want these patriots to disperse and peacefully go home to pay their college loans for the rest of their lives. It’s a good thing you weren’t at Bunker Hill. You want them to vote for the next Wall Street shill and save enough so that in 10 years they can take out another loan so that they can get themselves a shelter with maybe even enough closet space to stash their now homeless parents. You want them to spend the rest of their lives dreading the mailman and dodging phone calls. You offer as consolation the possibility's of committees and maybe even a third party (financed of course by Wall Street). More talk, endless talk, close your eyes and you will see what all the words ever spoken from the beginning of time look like. These people, and I mean the American people, want action now! That’s why they are on Wall Street. The main advantage this movement has, is it has no agenda, just an end to rule by Multi National Corporations and their Wall Street lap dogs. 99% of US can agree with that.
Interestingly enough you close your essay by quoting Shakespeare’s ode to the warrior.You will notice the name Shake Speare, that’s no accident, and personally, I would quote this:
That he which hath no stomach to this fight,
Let him depart; his passport shall be made,
And crowns for convoy put into his purse;
We would not die in that man's company
That fears his fellowship to die with us.
This day is call'd the feast of Crispian.
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when this day is nam'd,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian.'
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars,
And say 'These wounds I had on Crispian's day
Rated with love
I think I will watch The Bicycle Thief soon.
First, they took the education system, and I didn't complain because I had no children and my education was complete. Then, they took away the unemployment security, and I didn't speak up because I was a private contractor and glad to have a job. Eventually, they dismantled the social services and medical systems, and I didn't mind because I worked, paid taxes and stayed healthy. Finally, they removed the open access to the internet and media, and I tried to Tweet about it but my cellphone was tapped.
All this is one lens on reality, and a valid one for the moment, particularly given the importance of the next election.
That said, it takes all of a millisecond to figure out adbusters started this and their whole raison d’être is singularity and nothing less then the complete rejection of the lies and brainwashing of consumerism. Again, technologists must evolve- this is what the web hath wrought, we no longer need any of the "hallowed institutions" right wing authoritarianism's house is built on- NONE OF THEM.
And, an aside, it has become cliche for right wingers to harp that the kids use corporate computers and technology: bwhahahahahahaha!!!! True ignorance is more than bliss, it is an excuse for the violence you predict. We build our own computers, wouldn't be caught dead using corporate crap, we use OUR OWN SOFTWARE ... notice OS actually works now? Thank you communists who invented and run the WordPress community. We do not need banks, we have credit unions staffed by our own communities highly regarded leaders; we don't need IPOs, all laddered and cheated through and through by Wall Streeters since Day 1, we have our own crowdsourced financing, and so, life looks a lot like Avatar and Cameron really is a genius and the old folks who don't embrace the young are done.
Imua (Onward)
But to suggest that this movement can be managed is akin to firefighters in Texas last month trying to manage the wildfires that were consuming thousands and thousands of acres. Besides, those of us who are burning don't trust people who try to manage us. We've been managed to death already.
If it comes to violence it comes to violence. Those who wish to wring their hands and weep, may do so. But it took the murder of four youngsters in Ohio on May 4, 1970 to awaken this country and turn it around on our disastrous occupation of Southeast Asia.
Matt, I take no exception to what you're saying there. You make some good points. I was thinking about the question of Obama, who hasn't really expressed solidarity with the people on the street. If violence breaks out, I wonder if that will be easier for him—I'm guessing not. I see the Republicans jamming microphones in his face and asking “Mr. President, are you for or against the violence in the streets?” I don't see a response to that which is going to play well. I think he'd be better of expressing some feelings about the situation now. I hunted around for statements by him and found this interview, but I'm not sure when this was. It doesn't seem to say a whole lot, but in fairness OWS hasn't made any demands so he has nothing really to respond to. It's just badly orchestrated from an “let's actually get something done” point of view in my mind; I know some will say they're preferring to do things a different way, and if they can pull it off, great. But I'm just not seeing the plan. It most reminds me of people during the .com bubble telling us there was a new kind of economics where companies don't have to make money and can still stay in business...
It seems to me that modern politics thrives on having people disagree. Because when there are two conflicting parties, politicians can do whatever the want and blame it on the fact that it was known going in that you couldn't satisfy everyone. If this group speaks with one voice, it will have great power. But if it insists on speaking with many voices, politicians will just do different things and it will be business as usual and the power will be diffused. I'm rooting for these guys—my remarks should not be taken to be somehow a negative. But I want them to go in with their eyes wide open about the risks and prepared. If there are tea partiers and non-tea partiers in there and the economy tanks, it's true that this mass will demand action, but if the noise from the crowd is mixed between the usual “fix the deficit” and “get us jobs” then it will not change the status quo. It needs to say something like “Look, enough with the claims that trickle down works. Enough with the claim that cutting will make us stronger. Use the power of government to get us some jobs, by government hiring, by incentivizing infrastructure and investment in the US, and by taxing the sending of jobs overseas and the hiding of money offshore, and so on. Give tax breaks to people who actually make jobs, etc.” If the message is not loud and clear and consistent, politicians will just again do whatever they like doing and cite that “the crowd told me” and although some will not be fooled, enough may be fooled that the crowd does not turn the election.
That, at least, is my fear. Saying that the role is unclear is exactly the problem because the election is not going to move and the closer we get to it, the harder it is to get coordinated action. If a consensus process is required for the crowd to speak in unified form, and if that may take time (which I assume it will), it would be best to start it soon.
It sounds like I'm trying to say how it should work. I'm not. What I'm saying is that no one else is saying, and I just don't believe the fairy dust that love will make it all good.
So, this is technology today- and the economy tomorrow.
Cheers!
(And don't worry about being critical—that's fine. Though please just don't make it personal. Focusing on my or anyone's identity/description is borderline ad hominem and pushing into somewhere I'd ask you not to go. It sounds like you have enough points of substance you can make your remarks without nipping randomly at my bio. I want people here to feel like this is a safe forum in which to disagree, but it can only be that if people are not going to try to invalidate each other as people rather than just discuss the pluses and minuses of their positions.)
"For now people know now that they are not alone. That is the victory and it's already achieved."
I think you have it just right. There are plenty of victories already. I hear Jan Sand's warning about Fear, though, and hope we can pull ourselves above the fray before it takes over. Rated!!!
It's been this way since the Spanish Civil War when the basic "left/right" agenda was established, which is more accurately called the "anarchist/authoritarian" split.
Their movement is more cultural than political. They eschew loyalty, which is the hallmark of the right. In a short length of time, they will be as disillusioned as the kids who voted for Obama, and the radicals of the 60's, who, as Tom Brokaw said so well: "Got into their VW busses with the "MAKE LOVE, NOT WAR" stickers and were never seen or heard from again."
The short term gains are much more likely to be on the right, since they align and vote, but the long term belongs to the so-called "left" because after all is said and done: they represent what is best for the greatest number. It takes the ignorant awhile to get it, sometimes generations, but they do fall--or the form of government has failed and it is time for a new one.
Takin' it to the Streets
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Ben, thanks for the analysis. It won't surprise you that I agree. A mistake I think Obama made was that he not only wanted to do a certain set of things but he wanted to be liked for the way he did it. Another lesson I think the Republicans know is that the people are often very Machiavellian and if you get them what you want, they forgive a lot of sins. Now they're not serving a lot of people, but it's still their theory. Obama didn't want to just win, he wanted to win in a way that looked good, so he didn't use his mandate. And that's what's happening here. These guys could just say “Look, we have a lot of people, let's just harness the power and push forward.” For as much as they're having great fun showing that there are other political options, it's an indulgence to try to make that point. It might also have worked to do the same thing conventionally. And faster. It's unclear whether this has worked. So far the only claim they can make is that people are having a good time and liking each other. That smile may fade if nothing comes of all this.
Tom, your post is quite a read. I recommend it to others. Thanks!
The resurgence of the "silent majority" becomes more real as the days go by. Just look at a few lefty blogs on OS. They've been "deceived" and won't grow up. Take 'em on and you're the enemy too.
But I think you're right that many have expressed a self-indulgent sense that they would vote against their own interest just to make a point about their disappointment that Obama didn't fight harder for progressive issues. So tactically I disagree with them, but emotionally I know where they are coming from. I don't begrudge him trying to involve the Republicans. But I do fault him for being fool enough to keep trying to involve them after they made it clear they were just teasing and were going to seek to make him look foolish. He should have taken a hard-line stance and said “Fine, if you don't want to compromise, we'll show you what a failure to compromise looks like by making our own rules.” That would have preserved his right to still re-involve them later without looking like a fool. Recently, he has behaved better, and he now suffers criticism (some fair, some not) that it's just for campaigning's sake.
We'll see, I guess. He should be less wishy-washy about his involvement with Occupy Wall Street. These are the citizens speaking. If he wants to be purple and inclusive, that's the place to find the inclusion. A daily lottery to find out who from the band will get to visit him and discuss their woes instead of having him all the time listen to lobbyists would a good thing. These are real grass-roots town meetings. Let him visit them, not the organized/orchestrated ones with the nice banners.
Some, like myself, do see a bit of hope returning in how he's proceeding, but he's on probation of a sort...
My focus in the article here was different, but is compatible. I'm not saying people should disband because it's over, but in fact I'm saying the persistence makes it a too-easy target, not just physically (though even that) but conceptually. It's seems to me it's tactical creativity and adaptability that continues to hold in wars; not repeating the same thing over and over again until the opposition learns how to counter it.
Obama made a committment to be "bi-partisan" right from the beginning, and he kept that promise despite the odds and took teriffic abuse for it. That makes him something very odd, and almost unique in our political system i.e. a man of conviction, and he needs to be recognized for that fact. We know now it doesn't work.
I also am among that tired lot who believe race had a lot to do with it, (Not a problem for protestors who have no constituency to attend to) if not on an conscious at least an unconscious level. It isn't a "card" it's a fact. The right never thought he'd be elected in a million years, but now they do and that's a problem.
The 60's assumption that politics is somehow evil and voting is always a choice between evils was naive, cynical, ignorant and basically led to the continued domination by the right. They withdrew, and if they continue to withdraw or vote for non-viable candidates that domination will continue.
I think it's more than race (though I think race is a big factor, of course). The other piece is that Obama is really cozy with Wall Street and is perceived, independent of race, as tainted by the money they're eschewing. I think he could do a lot by getting rid of Geithner or at least reducing his voice in how to plan the administration's posture toward Wall Street. What he needs is to get Krugman and Stiglitz on the economic team. Those people offer not just a greater sensitivity to the populist voice but also, frankly, a willingness to consider ideas other than the status quo. And if Stiglitz were there he'd be preaching responsibility, which is what would lead to prosecutions. And that would show Obama was not bought but merely diverted. It can be done without fear of filibuster, and yet it would be a tremendous signal he was ready to listen. People capable of generating the kinds of critical thinking that Krugman, Stiglitz, and Reich so routinely present are conspicuously absent, and it leads one to wonder if what Obama is doing is because he is oblivious to the problem, because he is oblivious to the options, because he has sold out, or what... I don't personally subscribe to the sold out theory, but I have friends who do, and over time I've given up trying to defend my position because there's not a lot of good evidence that I am. I'm clinging to a hope. But Obama could show me right by bringing in someone who I and others trust would daily harangue him if he strayed from the straight and narrow or failed to consider very real alternatives to the kinds of junk we've seen going on.
Do you see what is happening now when he has finally taken off the gloves and is fighting them? The faux liberals still won't get it and I bet most of the kids on the street now will sit the election out, but you sure can trust that won't happen with the racists this time. Is there any wonder he went for the middle?
The guys he brought in were mostly non-ideologues--like himself. The "Krugmans" are able to do and say what they do because are not part of the administration. That's how the game works, and it will always be how the game works. It's called POLITICS.
The real problems begin when the ideologues take control. You remember the "neo-cons" don't you? Most these puppy dogs who have confused ideology and politics need to be called on it. They are the problem.
Now watch--the jobs bill, which is definitely headed in the right direction will go down and there will be no outcry from the "left" because he's "disappointed" them. What a bunch of shit.
don't reflect
http://open.salon.com/blog/tony_wang/2011/10/18/a_platform_for_occupy_san_diego
Also, the tea party attended the open assembly last night.
The tea party and the OWS protestors may not agree on much, but one thing they have in common is that they were both pissed off by the bailouts in the fall of 2008. They were necessary, and yes, the government made money on them.
But we never should have gotten to that point in the first place.
ume, we each use our respective talents in different ways. If I could think of no way to affect the world from where I am, I might indeed be out on the streets right now with the crowd as a way of expressing my discomfort at the world's present state. But I have another mechanism for doing that, one that I judge that, for me, is more focused and reaches more people.
Tony, thanks for your article with the San Diego platform. It's very heartening to see specific requests.