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MARCH 12, 2010 4:22PM

Rachel Corrie's parents present their case in Haifa

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  Corrie Family
From left to right: Cindy Corrie, Sarah Corrie
Simpson, and Craig Corrie (Haaretz/AP)

Opening statements

The first day of the civil case regarding the death of American activist Rachel Corrie in the Gaza Strip on March 16, 2003 began at Haifa District Court on Wednesday. Her parents, Craig and Cindy, along with her sister Sarah were present in the company of three officials from the US Embassy in Tel Aviv. Following opening statements, the trial against the Israeli Defence Ministry for unspecified damages began with eyewitness testimony from British activists Richard Purssell and Tom Dale, both of whom are members of the International Solidarity Movement, to which Rachel Corrie also belonged. They testified that the Israeli Caterpillar D9 bulldozer deliberately drove over her body for four meters, then went into reverse, fatally injuring her as she tried to protect the home of Palestinian pharmacist Samir Nasrallah from demolition by Israeli forces.

The Corries’ Palestinian lawyer, Hussein Abu-Hussein, demanded that the Israeli government open a new investigation into the death of the twenty-three year-old activist. To this the States Prosecutor replied that "the IDF thoroughly investigated the incident, including a Military Police investigation, in the framework of which considerable evidence was collected." However, the Corries have challenged this position, citing irregularities in the report. These include the report’s assertion that an American consular official had been present at Rachel Corrie’s autopsy, as the family requested. However, no such official had been at hand.

 

 

The Israeli case

On Thursday it was the turn of the Israeli government to present its case. The State Prosecutor’s Office requested that the court dismiss the Corries’ suit, claiming that "the driver of the bulldozer and his commander had a very limited field of vision, such that they had no possibility of seeing Ms. Corrie." Moreover, this regrettable incident occurred during "a military action in the course of war," meaning that the Defence Ministry bore no responsibility for Corrie’s death. Moreover, "Rachel Corrie was injured as a result of her prohibited action, for which she is solely responsible, due to her considerable negligence and lack of caution."

After the court adjourned for the weekend, Craig Corrie told journalists from the Maan New Agency that this argument made little sense. Rachel and the other activists had been busy in the area for hours before the incident. They wore orange reflective vests and had been trained to maintain eye contact with the bulldozer drivers at all times. Moreover, the Defence Ministry has continually changed its story. “Right after she died they said a wall fell on her. Then she tripped on rubble, and now they couldn’t see her.” In his view the Defence Ministry's argumentation “implies that they are apt to use excessive force. From a legal standpoint … it’s incredibly dangerous. …You can’t just declare a warzone and then go out and kill everyone.”

The trial will resume on Sunday and is expected to last several weeks. The judge's ruling may take up to a year. Due to restrictive Israeli border policies, no Palestinians from Gaza will be allowed to attend, including the physician who treated the injured Rachel Corrie and also certified her death. It is also unclear whether any military personnel will be called to the witness stand.

The United States Government, which rarely mounts any public challenges to Israeli actions, has been highly supportive, the family says. Rachel’s elder sister, Sarah Corrie Simpson, told Haaretz that “it was a U.S. government official who first encouraged them to sue the Israeli government.” According to Simpson, it was 9/11 that inspired her sister to become interested in the Arab world and to gain a better understanding of where the U.S. stood vis-à-vis the rest of the world. Her concerns were purely peaceful and humanitarian in nature.

The Corries encounter Israel's special brand of tough love

Small group of well-wishers, including many Israelis, were on hand to provide the family with moral support. But not everyone appreciates what the Corries are trying to do. Steven Plaut, a Philadelphia-born associate professor of business administration at the University of Haifa, probably speaks for many in the country when he compares their visit with “the trauma of the summer of 2006, when [Haifa], along with the rest of northern Israel, was targeted by thousands of Katyusha rockets, fired from southern Lebanon by Hizbullah terrorists. Haifa has also been targeted by several suicide bombers who carried out mass murders against civilians in buses and restaurants. Now Haifa is about to become the victim of yet another indignity. It is to be the scene for a legal assault by the parents of Rachel Corrie.” Writing in The Jewish Press on March 3, Plaut calls Corrie a “clueless American-flag-burning undergraduate” who was “sent off to the ‘occupied territories’ to assist Palestinian terrorist groups.” He goes on to say that her death has made her into “a sort of Mother Teresa for the radical left and apologists for Islamofascism. She is the martyr saint of the pro-terror lobby and is even celebrated by Klansman David Duke.”

In a lengthy “Welcome” to Mr. and Mrs. Corrie, Plaut writes among other things:

Your daughter was in a war zone as a belligerent, on behalf of a movement of Arab fascists seeking to destroy Israel and murder as many Jews as possible. Your daughter died while interfering with an anti-terror operation carried out by soldiers in a land in which she had no business being at all.

[Y]ou have never expressed any interest in the devastating nature of the Jews' situation. The Jews have been battling Arab fascism and genocidal terrorism for a hundred years, before, during, and after the Nazi Holocaust of six million Jews. Your daughter was helping those who perpetrate Nazi-like atrocities against randomly selected Jews.

You smugly praise the propaganda play about your daughter, which ignored all the other Rachels - the Jewish victims of terror in Israel who were murdered by genocidal terrorists.

Your daughter, and apparently you as well, never had any understanding of the Middle East conflict. The Middle East conflict is not about the right to self-determination of Palestinian Arabs, but rather about the right to self-determination of Israeli Jews.

What do the Corries hope to get out of the trial? “I hope there would be some resolution for us, personally,” Cindy Corrie told journalists. “We’ve never stopped insisting that we need truth and accountability. Personally, I’m hoping that it will provide some resolution.”



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I have to admit I find it hard to follow the logic of those resisting this investigation. What would looking into the allegedly unlawful death of a 23 year old have to do with a pro-terror lobby (is there such a thing)? Sometimes I can't follow these type of arguments at all. I'm from the same state as Corrie so I have to admit some bias. I read about her death with grief several years ago and I believe that just as some issues are bigger than politics--some issues are smaller than politics. You can't refight the whole conflict in the middle east over one girl's death--but her family does deserve to know what happened to their daughter. I feel for her family and friends. It didn't sound to me like a suicide, and if it was accidental, it's hard from the photos to see how it was an accident. I think that it's fair to ask for the truth no matter who she is or how anyone feels about her politics.

But also, this kind of characterization makes me feel very uncomfortable, "in a war zone as a belligerent" is this the way that any of us could be labeled now for participating in a protest for our beliefs? We are all (potentially) unlawful combatants?

I use question marks, but of course, the answer appears to be yes and yes.
The answer is indeed yes and yes. It will be interesting to see if the presiding judge has the balls to rule against the increasing Goldstein-ism of the state of Isra-hell.
Great reporting! Thanks for covering this painful story for us.
Excellent reporting, rated.
Thank you for this! Rachel Corrie's story ripped my heart out. What a brave, brave woman. The Professor needs to know that at her memorial a caterpillar tractor with the same identifying number on it, circled the proceedings menacingly.
This was murder by the IDF. It's so difficult to have a rational discussion with anyone about this. They all play the "you're an anti semite" card to block all further exchange of ideas.
Thank you for posting this!
I agree with Steven Plaut. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't do dangerous things like standing in a war zone in front of a moving bulldozer on purpose and then cry "foul!" when you are killed. Hullo? If you believe in what you're doing, and willing to die for it as she did, then she accomplished her mission.
"Your daughter died while interfering with an anti-terror operation carried out by soldiers in a land in which she had no business being at all."
I wonder if Steve Plaut can appreciate the painful irony in the above statement.Well,upon reflection it seems pretty damned unlikely given his penchant for employing made up words and phrases like "Islamofascism" and "Arab fascists" thereby reducing himself to garden variety wingnut.
Given the tenor of his "welcome" to the Corries,it seems clear to me at least that he would have been right at home at Little Green Footballs where Rachel Corrie "pancake jokes" (following her murder)were all the..um..rage.As for comment by Ms. Young-while I'm fairly sure that Rachel Corrie was ready to die for something she believed in,that does not release the operator of the D9 bulldozer that "..deliberately drove over her body for four meters, then went into reverse, fatally injuring her.." from responsibility or accountability for his actions
Excellent reporting. Very difficult situation. Still, I have to agree with Deborah. There are more than two sides to this story as there are to any story in the Middle East, especially those where fanatic Arabs come into contact with Jews. I say fanatic referring to those either coached or willing to stand in harm's way and become martyrs for their cause. Defiant Jewish settlers do this too.

Rachael Corrie's death was tragic, but she chose a side and then chose further to take a militant stand in a war where the outcome was predictable and where both sides have lost far too many non-combatants..

I have full sympathy for her family, but I see some hypocrisy here too. If a Islamic terrorist had been killed doing the same thing, he'd be excoriated by Americans in celebration. That's the insidious nature of terrorists, they recruit 'innocents' to do their dirty work and thus provide anti-Israel propaganda.

Ricky, I know you have strong feelings, but your word for Eretz Yisroel is slick media schtick and offensive in the extreme, at least to me.
Great reporting, and sorely needed.
Just did a peruse of the Globe, NYTimes, and LATimes, and found nothing. Too demoralized too continue in that vein, I then googled. Beyond a few blogs made up of the usual suspects, The Guardian is the only major metro newspaper that comes up.

Thank-you for excellent coverage.
rated
oops If I'd looked for articles about the trial on Wednesday, I would have found them.
I'm here and now, now, and I stand by my first impression of this piece of reporting
It is a source of shame that the US has supported Israel with an endless river of money, arms and UN vetoes. Even in the Middle Ages, the homes of people were not destroyed as a means of collective punishment. Israel is exterminating the Palestinians to complete the theft of Palestinian land. And the US is their big, strong, dumb accomplice. Anyone here have the kind of guts it must have taken to stand in front of a Caterpillar bulldozer to try and prevent the destruction of one more Palestinian home? That's Bobby Sands territory.
Sally, the Eretz I have no problem with. I love the land. The Medina, the polity, though? Is a stinking morass. It's Sparta without the discipline.

"I agree with Steven Plaut. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't do dangerous things like standing in a war zone in front of a moving bulldozer on purpose and then cry "foul!" when you are killed. Hullo? If you believe in what you're doing, and willing to die for it as she did, then she accomplished her mission."

Yes, she accomplished her mission, if her mission was to prove that Israel is a thuggish entity addicted to the use of force. Rachel Corrie stood in front of that bulldozer because she believed Israel was still a sane place, where you don't intentionally murder allied nationals just to prove what a tough guy you are, even if they annoy the hell out of you. The tragedy is that she was wrong. If the IDF had wanted, they coulda sent two or three big guys, picked her up and put her in cuffs while the 'dozer did its work. This was premeditated murder for the purpose of terrorizing civilian protesters, and later given sanction by the Israeli authorities. Then again, Israel has gotten more and more brazen recently at spitting in the eye of the sole country in the world standing between it and total international isolation. (Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot Micronesia).
Funny how no one mentioned "anti-semitism" until YOU did, nuttmeg.

If you are straining to assert that Israel doesn't belong in it's homeland, then you will have to take that up with the United Nations - which created the State of Israel.

@bluesborn58. Why shouldn't people make up words like "Islamofascism" or "Arab fascists" if that accurately describes what they are? Or are you claiming these people are rule-of law democrats? For that matter, isn't "fascism" a made-up word ... made up by the Fascists?

And what is the term for believing one side before you hear all the evidence - propagandist?
Pennywhistler, the problem I have is that those using "islamo-fascism" would cry antisemitism or war on christmas if the terms "christo-fascist" or "judo-fascist" were used even where just as applicable.

Or do you wish to argue that there are no such cases?
DeborahYoung - Hullo! you can't murder unarmed, well marked, young girls who are standing up for truth and justice. She was trying to stop a house that belonged to a Palestinian from being illegally bulldozed. That is a righteous cause. I only wish more people in this world were willing to stand up for justice, unlike people like you who some how justify these heinous acts. You should be ashamed to call yourself a human. Get some compassion and actually learn about what is going.

Sally Swift - "Fanatic Arabs." Come on. What about fanatic Zionists who are illegally bulldozing houses of Palestinians sometimes with people still in them. What about fanatic Israeli Settlers who attack and beat Palestinian school children trying to get to school. What about the fanatic IDF who murdered over 1400 people in the Gaza Strip last year mostly women and children. They used white phosphorus in densely populated civilian areas burning the flesh off children. They shot people holding white flags. They used civilians as human shields. It is all well documented in the Goldstone report. Tell me again, who are the terrorists? The Palestinians have a legal right to resist occupation. The Israelis are the ones in violation of international law.

Pennywhister - clearly you have no idea what the word fascist means. Islamofascist makes no more sense than Judeofascist or Jewish fascist.

When you say "those people," what do you mean? It has a very racist overtone.

Israel is in violation of international law. They do not appear to be "rule of law democrats."

When you say - "If you are straining to assert that Israel doesn't belong in it's homeland, then you will have to take that up with the United Nations - which created the State of Israel." What homeland are you talking about? Is it the one mandated by the UN in 1948, or the 1967 borders, or the borders of today, or the one that continues to expand due to Israel's continued illegal settlement activity. I'm pretty sure the UN didn't establish Israel with its current borders.

"what is the term for believing one side before you hear all the evidence - propagandist?" No I believe its Pennywhistler, or hasbara, or Zionist.
She was an innocent dupe. And somehow I don't think a Russian immigrant CAT driver was going to run over her on purpose. I've been on construction sites and I've been in CATs. You can't hear squat. Usually people wear ear protection, plugs, muffs whatever, and communicate with hand signals. She was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

She injected herself into a conflict she had no business being in. And frankly I have little sympathy for anybody who aligns themselves with organizations that encourage teenagers to blow themselves up. That she never protested, so far as I can tell.
Plaut said it right, I totally agree.
Her parents need to go home and deal with their daughters decision. Hello!!!!!!!
You walk into a war zone and lay down in front of a heavily armored bulldozer.
How smart is that?

I call it zeal without wisdom.
Go Home, deal with it people.
If this would have happened in amy other country it would have been over with....

Clearly Anti Semitic..


Waste of time
And in response to this:
I have little sympathy for anybody who aligns themselves with organizations that encourage teenagers to blow themselves up. That she never protested, so far as I can tell.

omg and jfc that's the stupidest thing I've ever read

Somebody please tear that apart! I'm too demoralized.

A certain intellectual tradition is fraying at the edges.
I'm batting a thousand today ... oy. sorry
What I meant to post the last time was this:
As if in response to this:
I have little sympathy for anybody who aligns themselves with organizations that encourage teenagers to blow themselves up. That she never protested, so far as I can tell.

And as long as I'm at it I'll add the 2 cents w/which I managed to come up --
Rachel Corrie was aligning herself w/people getting forcibly and physically evicted from their home(s).

Any collaboration w/an organization on her part is a complete fabrication on the part of a socially (at least) retarded mind.
Poor Lee... must be tough be a silly uber-leftist.

Let me help you out. Lets discuss Rachel's allies like HRW, an organization headed by Joe Strong who touted and gave comfort to Saddam Hussein, because he thought Hussein was a marxist who thumbed his nose at western imperialists, meanwhile Saddam was stacking bodies high and deep. HRW's weapons expert turned out to be a collector of Nazi artifacts. HRW became such a joke that even its founder has disowned them.

Should I stop or should I continue? The IDF bulldozed the homes of terrorists. Don't complain about collective punishment. Blowing up a pizza parlor is collective punishment.

Tear me apart? Knock yourself out.

The pals have had a number of opportunities.

Oh, and please explain why the Pals didn't have a state in 1966.
Alaska writes:
"What homeland are you talking about? Is it the one mandated by the UN in 1948, or the 1967 borders, or the borders of today, or the one that continues to expand due to Israel's continued illegal settlement activity. I'm pretty sure the UN didn't establish Israel with its current borders. "

To bad the Arabs rejected the UN partition. Isn't it?
I'm pretty sure the UN didn't ask the Arabs to invade three or four times.
If the man - and organization behind him - had been Muslim, she would have been a victim of "terrorism"

Well, I believe - did then, do now, always will - she was a victim of terrorism as much as any American has been, and that includes the three thousand that died 11 September 2001
This childish idea that since the Arabs rejected the partition they have somehow missed the boat and are sentenced to an eternity as a conquered people devoid of rights (save those magnanimously accorded them by their Jewish overlords) is ludicrous, not to mention immoral in the extreme. The punishment for that error is measured in area and in time that already elapsed.

As for Rachel Corrie - she had been there for a while, the driver was aware of her presence, and he ran her over back **and forth**. Plus the state has lied about it several times, meaning they don't believe in their excuses either. The guy operating the D-9 got frustrated and lost it - and in civilized countries people get punished for that when it results in a totally unnecessary death.

One does not have to prove that Rachel Corrie had a perfect grasp on the conflict, or that each and every one of her fellow travelers is flawless, to prove she was unjustly killed (i.e. murdered.)
It is pretty evident that Steven Plaut watches FOX News a great deal. He uses their phraseology and follows their MO of telling one lie after another and presenting the lies as truth.

Here's the truth. In the late 19th century, Jewish settlers moved onto land sold to them by absentee Arab landlords that was sold from under Palestinian peasants who had been in usufruct possession of the land for generations.

As for atrocities, they have been committed by both sides from that era to this and I guarantee you that if you count the bodies, there have been FAR more Palestinians murdered by Jews than the other way around.

Actually it is the IDF that had no business being on that land. We can argue endlessly about other parts of Israel and rights of return ad infinitum. There is no argument, however, that in 1949 EVERYONE agreed that the land on which Rachel Corrie was brutally murdered was Palestinian land and NOT Israeli land. Since 1967, Israel has been occupying land on which it does not belong according to international law. In fact, it has had to violate its own laws to do so.

It is truly sad that Mr. Plaut, with his familial ties to the Holocaust, would profane the memories of the six million by using them to justify outright theft, political oppression, and murder. The Holocaust and the various pogroms perpetrated against the Jewish people through the centuries are all terrible crimes, but they do not justify Israeli crimes against Palestinians or Americans (whether in 1967 or in 2003).
"This childish idea that since the Arabs rejected the partition they have somehow missed the boat and are sentenced to an eternity as a conquered people devoid of rights (save those magnanimously accorded them by their Jewish overlords) is ludicrous, "

Nobody claims that they should be forever under occupation. Thats a strawman you erected because I'm putting this conflict into its proper historical context which makes clear that the Pals have made their share of mistakes leading to their current predicament. If the Pals want to celebrate a "nakba", they should consider celebrating the giving of 90% of the mandate to the Hashemite Kingdom that was ejected from arabia in the 20's. That had nothing to do with Israel.

More recently, the Taba II talks which the Pals were offered a share of Jerusalem, Gaza, 98% of WB with some Israeli land to offset the difference. King Abdullah of Jordan termed it a fair offer. Prince Bandar called Arafat's turning down the offer a crime against the Palestinian people. Dennis Ross, Clinton's point man on the middle east , blames Arafat and only Arafat. So its not like there have been no opportunities since 1948 either. After the 6-Day war, The arabs responded with the three No's.

So don't ply me with this BS, that the Pals haven't had an opportunity since 1948. There's a reason the uber-leftists only discuss the hear and now, utterly lacking in any historical perspective. Putting the conflict in its proper context doesn't suit their agenda.


"not to mention immoral in the extreme. The punishment for that error is measured in area and in time that already elapsed. "

Then the Pals should stop punishing themselves. And the left wing should stop promulgating the myth that the Palestinian resistance is some Ghandian movement worthy of my tears. It is anything but.

Hamas is an oppressive govt., worse than anything experienced under the IDF; there's a reason the son of a hamas leader has turned Mossad agent. Its not Israel preventing Gazans that need advanced medical care in Israel from getting it. That would be Hamas. The kleptocratic Fatah robs their people blind. Occupation is bad, but the oppression and stifling of dissent by Hamas and Fatah are much worse.

And last with respect to the bulldozer, going back and forth is what bulldozers do. That is how they bulldoze. Have you never been on a construction site? In a big CAT, your visibility is limited, and you can't hear nothing but the Cat's engine.

The claim that the bulldozer driver killed Corrie on purpose, is an emotional one. Don't confuse claims with facts. Fact, on a CAT one can't hear for shit, and can't see much better either. Corrie had no business putting herself in that kind of peril. She wasn't brave, she was naive and tragic. Sort of reminds me of Lorrie Beronson who got herself in trouble in South America.

And nobody answered my question, did she protest teenage suicide bombers ? Or just Israel? Why should I shed any tears for somebody who injects themselves into a conflict who condemns Israeli occupation, but not the use of mentally challenged teenagers and terminally ill patients as bombs?

And why didn't the Pals have a state in 1966? Still no answer to that one.
"The State Prosecutor’s Office requested that the court dismiss the Corries’ suit, claiming that "the driver of the bulldozer and his commander had a very limited field of vision, such that they had no possibility of seeing Ms. Corrie."

BULLSHIT!!
I've driven dozers, etc most of my working life and YES, YOU CAN SEE RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR EQUIPMENT!!

joo bastard ambulance chasers are the same around the world~~goddamn liars.
This punk used his WEAPON to murder someone.
Grind him and his fellow child/women murderers under the dozer tracks.
Anyone who doesn't like what I said can stick it.
I believe it is good to have an investigation and to discover if any wrongdoing happened. However, I invite all those who would go to another country to interfere with their internal struggles to stay home or suffer the potential push back or accidental misfortune.

Sorry, but you can't have it both ways. You can't go into harm's way where the U.N. or government diplomacy belongs, and then complain when you are harmed. There is an assumption of risk.

I feel sorry for the family, but she was not innocent. She entered a war zone and the family wants to sue one of the warring parties.

This may very well have been an unlawful death. Go into a black bar in Harlem, scream obscenities including the "N" word, get killed and claim an unlawful death. Lots of luck. Maybe I'm off-base but I don't see a difference in analogy.
To big Da Kine2, you are right, good point, NO, she didn't protest the slaughter of innocent Jews in Israel by these murderous terrorists, because she was a leftist, anti semite.
No one seems to talk about why the house was being bulldozed in the first place. Israel, created a policy, 'IF' you blow up innocent Israelis with a bomb, we will bulldoze your families home. It works beautifully, thousands of Arab families phone the IDF every year because one of their children gets involved with Hammas or Hesbullah, they tip them off because they want to keep their house.

Comment to XJS and Me; you have never seen an armored bulldozer, there is a box of solid steel surrounding the cab, with little eye slits on four corners, all lower visibility is totally lost.
It is built that way, so the operator doesn't get shot.
If your going to hate us at least spell our name right it's Jew, not Joo you big anti semite experienced bulldozer driver, wake up.
You wrote a very balance piece about a real tragedy, that reminds me of Amy Biehl. Google her name if you want, and you will see that most of the posts consider her a hero, for going to South Africa to fight injustice, but then there are South African Boers who see her very, very differently, because of the hatred of the PAC activists who killed her, chanting the slogan,
"One settler, one bullet."
In the case of Rachel Corrie, that latter response is similar to the tough love professor.
I would ask him though this question.
"The Israelis have tried to crush the Arabs for a long time, and it does not seem to have worked very well. What makes you think that bulldozing houses is a reasonable tactic for long-run peace, or, is that your plan for all the Palestinians? If the latter is the case, given modern missile technology, where would that have to end?"
"joo bastard ambulance chasers are the same around the world~~goddamn liars."

At least finish your goose stepping first. And when the Bulldozer plow is raised, your visibility is greatly impaired.
""The Israelis have tried to crush the Arabs for a long time"

You have it backwards. In 1948, 7 arab armies tried to crush a nascent Israel, and again in 1967, 1973. Once again, we see how little some people know about middle east history. You're too funny Mr. Rich.

The Pals are a pawn in this struggle between the Arabs, although Egypt and Jordan have signed peace treaties with Israel, and ISrael. Who are those still itching for a fight? Hezbollah controlled Lebanon and Syria which is now a vassal of Iran. Time for the Pals, namely Abbas to stop dithering and get serious.


", and it does not seem to have worked very well. What makes you think that bulldozing houses is a reasonable tactic for long-run peace, or, is that your plan for all the Palestinians?"

When the Palestinian stop firing rockets and bombs and sending jihadis to blow themselves up in ISrael the demolitions will stop. Pals don't seem to understand that actions have consequences. No let up in suicide bombers, Israel built a fence to keep them out. It worked only too well. There's a reason the IDF invaded Gaza, but not the WB.

And with respect to Humand RIghts Watch ( a misnomer if ever there was one), while the conflict in Gaza was going on, the Sri Lanka army killed off an estimated 20,000 Tamils, and hardly a peep from HRW.



"If the latter is the case, given modern missile technology, where would that have to end?""

We know where it won't end. It won't end in a Palestinian state. I suggest the Pals take a good look at what happened to the Tamils.
Several days ago, I posted this as a comment to Steven Plaut's article in "The Jewish Press":

"I do not think this article is worthy of "The Jewish Press." Mr. Plaut never expressed any sorrow that a 23-year-old woman's life was abruptly ended by being run over by an (Israeli) bulldozer as she tried to stop the destruction of an Arab home. For those of us who remember the valiant student standing in front of the line of tanks in Tienanmen Square, we also recall that the Chinese tank commander had the decency to stop.
Are you blind, Mr. Plaut to the horror of killing a woman, whatever her (alleged) history, only motivated on that particular day by the desire to prevent destruction of yet another home by using her body as a shield?
Are you deaf, Mr. Plaut, to the demands made by this needless death?
Have you no compassion?
We heard a lot of generalities from you about the righteousness of the Israeli cause and the atrocities committed by Arabs. Yet we read in the world press of the great disproportion between Israeli deaths and Arab deaths and wonder.
Convoluted reasoning, Mr. Plaut. Convoluted reasoning worthy of inclusion in a work by George Orwell or Aldous Huxley.
"The Jewish Press" is, in my opinion, most "Jewish," when "The Ten Commandments" are held up as a standard. (Traditional) Jewish morality and ethics are historically renowned and are one of civilization's treasures. What part of "Thou shalt not kill" is difficult to understand.
The existentially anguishing situation in which Israel and the Palestinians are entangled should not lead to such glib diatribes as yours, Mr. Plaut. A woman was killed. A life ended.
There is plenty of responsibility and guilt to go around for the many whose actions led to the killing. The Israeli military should accept a great part of the blame.
Even the U.S. military is dampening its enthusiasm for killing Iraqi and Afghan women and children.
Squashing a young girl like a bug? Very, very wrong."

Since posting that on "The Jewish Press," I've read of the changing and unconvincing cover-up by the Israeli military--Rachel tripped on rubble, a wall fell on her, and now, much, much later, that she was "hidden by a pile of rocks." Since that posting, I've seen a photograph of Rachel, taken just before her murder, megaphone in hand, standing beside a collection of rocks that I estimated to be, at most, 12" to 18" high.
Unlike Alice in Wonderland, Rachel did not shrink so much as to be invisible to the bulldozer driver.
Unfortunately, there was a Red Queen right at hand with effective murderous intent.
Leo Ray Ingle
XJS etc ~ comments like yours -- joo bastard ambulance chasers -- doesn't do much for the struggle against the very real threat of Zionism.

Think.
"XJS etc ~ comments like yours -- joo bastard ambulance chasers -- doesn't do much for the struggle against the very real threat of Zionism."

Zionism isn't a threat.

Jihad is.

Its always interesting to see someone who is so willing to throw their own people under a bus. You have to wonder about the amount of self-loathing that goes into something like that.

You need some time on a couch, Lee.

"They say Zionists, but they mean Jews"
-- Martin Luther King.
This is a horrible thing, no matter who's at fault. And, as with most horrible things, it's overwhelmingly likely that both sides share some of the blame, each side thinking that they could do what they wanted, as long as the other side would only act in a sane fashion. Nevertheless, only one participant in this mess was vulnerable.

Anyway, the actual point I want to make here is that people get run over all the time because drivers in cars can't see them over the hood; I backed over a bush (not a Bush, unfortunately) last week because I couldn't see it over the rear of a Honda Civic for God's sake. People get run over by construction equipment all the time while trying to avoid them. The most recent huge bulldozers aren't the kind of picture most people have; they're the size of a house. Look at a D9: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/US_Army_D9_bulldozer_Gail_Gray.jpg forward visibility is nil. "maintain eye contact with the bulldozer drivers at all times"? Yeah, maybe, if you're a Na'vi, standing on a stepstool.

From the benefit of my superannuated status, I can say that this was just a couple of charged up kids, both of whom were completely certain that they were in the right, playing chicken. Neither of them gave any ground. I guess they must have both won, then, eh?

What's saddest about this is that it's become a pretext for even more finger-pointing and self-justification to continue the hostilities, rather than causing both sides to stop and take stock of what part they contribute to this stupid waste. But I guess that only happens in movies.
Mr. Rich:
"The Israelis have tried to crush the Arabs for a long time, and it does not seem to have worked very well. What makes you think that bulldozing houses is a reasonable tactic for long-run peace, or, is that your plan for all the Palestinians? If the latter is the case, given modern missile technology, where would that have to end?"

Spoken like someone who believes that bulldozing a house is the ne plus ultra of genocide, and that if anybody gets killed in the process, then the whole thing has entered a hitherto unthinkable level of evil.

Consider your question; if "The Israelis have tried to crush the Arabs for a long time", then how exactly is it they are doing such a terrible job? The Palestinians Arabs having not only tripled in number over 50 years of such genocide, but also since coming under Israeli rule (rather than their loving Jordanian brothers) in 1967 having seen their standard of living rise dramatically to the point where they would be the envy of a random citizen of most other Arab nations? Is it that the Israelis are so incompetent? Are they just not very well equipped militarily? What exactly is it keeping the Palestinians afloat against the supposedly implacable Israeli drive to smash them? The loving support of the rest of the world, who prior to the Oil Shock of the 70s couldn't give a rat's ass about the survival of any and all Arabs on Earth? Face facts: the Palestinians owe their continued existence solely to whatever restraint has been shown by the Israelis thus far; and, as a corollary, owe their trouble to however much they cause the Israelis to fear them. Compare to the strategy of Gandhi, who knew how to make the British so tired of their own brutality without making said brutality seem necessary.

When did bulldozing a house become the key to crushing a nation? Not exactly the primary tactic used in Kurdistan, Rwanda, Darfur, South Africa, the Congo, Soviet Russia, 1800s America, or (you know it was coming) Nazi Germany. Not even the primary tactic used by Jordan to deal with the Palestinians, during Black September. Hell, bulldozing houses is in fact a popular technique of large American cities to deal with the drug scourge and other urban ills. I fervently wish that the worst tactic seen in all the genocides still occurring on this world was bulldozing of homes. That would constitute one hell of a step forward.

Ironically, last week saw the "popular inauguration" of Dalal Mughrabi Square in the West Bank town of El-Bireh, commemorating the 32 anniversary of "The Coastal Road Massacre" in which Ms. Mughrabi and her brave band courageously faced the mighty Israeli military juggernaut, by sneaking ashore to blow up a bus of vacationing Israeli families, killing 38 civilians including 13 children. Although the official inauguration was officially delayed "due to technical reasons and not because of Israel's request. Neither Israel nor any other body is able to prevent us from taking pride in our history", it was attended by Fatah luminaries, including Tawfiq Tirawi, former head of the PA Police and member of the Fatah Central Committee, and Jamal Huweil, member of the Palestinian Parliament. (This is all Fatah, of course, the moderate Palestinian faction, in contrast to Hamas, who apparently are less cooperative with Israel).

So, if the Israelis ever dedicate a square to celebrate the death of Rachel Corrie, give us a call; otherwise, spare us your lopsided moral interpretations.
I have to say that the attacks on RickyB are pretty appalling. He's a Jew who posts on OS, and he lives in Israel!! How many of you big time defenders of Israel are living in the United States? Those who would attack RickyB are people who have been fed too much Zionist propaganda.
You know I just remembered what the Arab community did in Gaza, when the Jews pulled out. They left millions in green houses for the Arabs, to work and make money with, Mr. Microsoft (Gates), paid for the greenhouses, they tore it all down, totally destroyed greenhouses that could have made them millions. Terrorists are thugs and outlaws, they can only murder, they can't run a nation, because they don't care about their own, they just hate. Stop sending them money. look at the Druse, up North in Isofeia, they do not hate, they join the IDF, they prosper in their cities, they serve the nation of Israel..
They don't hate, they work....They Prosper......Time to lay down the 'kill all of the infidels' idea, it's NOT working.
Of course. The last refuge of the a-histrorical. Quoting a young MLK who was in the process of maturing when he was killed.

Yes, many who rail against Zionism hate Jews. Many do not.

There are those doing some of the real work to reign them and can be found here: www.jvp.org


Many more of them can be found in Israel.
Be well Ricky B. and keep up the good fight.

We'll see who's throwing whom under the bus.

Racist nationalism doesn't protect or serve anyone but the arrogant p's that b and their thread bare egos.
> the driver was aware of her presence, and he ran her over back **and forth**

Uh, have you ever watched earth moving equipment? Moving "back and forth" is normal. The driver obviously didn't see her. End of story, as far as Ms. Corrie goes.

Regarding Israel: The selective destruction of a few homes (since the Palestinians are notified first, and can rebuild, it amounts to a hefty fine) in this case shows Israel tried to minimize Palestinian civilian damages. It's not like we don't have blunter, more deadly tools.

Rachel "ISM" Corrie tried to rob us of even this legitimate means of self-defense against the terror sources in Gaza. Fortunately, she failed.