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AUGUST 7, 2012 5:53AM

BRAVE-NEW-BIGOTRY -- Fetal Engineering: Preventing 'Tomboys'

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      Some doctors are now attempting to prevent intersex infants through off-label use of a synthetic steroid. This can, these physicians say, stop infant girls from being born lesbian or intersex (see below).

     Here is a report on this bizarre Brave-New-Bigotry from The Advocate(edited for length)

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 "A Northwestern University report details dangerous experiementation in fetal engineering in which doctors use a synthetic steroid to prevent female babies from being born with 'behavioral masculinzation', a propensity toward lesbianism, bisexuality, intersexuality, and tomboyism.

"The paper, published in the Journal of Bioethical Inquiry, is authored by Alice Dreger [and others, see below], professor of clinical medical humanities and bioethics at Northwestern. It 'details extremely troubling off-label medical intervention employed in the U.S. on pregnant women to intentionally engineer the development of their fetuses for [so-called] 'sex normalization' purposes.'

"According to the researchers, pregnant women at risk for having a child born with the condition 'congenital adrenal hyperplasia' (CAH), an endocrinological condition that can result in female fetuses being born with intersex or more male-typical genitals and brains, are being given dexamethasone, a synthetic steroid, off-label, starting as early as week five of the first trimester to try to 'normalize' the development of those fetuses which are female and CAH-affected.

     "Like DES, a drug widely given to pregnant women in the 1970s which was shown to cause cancer and reproductive abnormalities in children and is now banned, dexamethasone is a synthetic steroid. Researchers say that the dose reaching the fetus is 60 to 100 times what the body would normally experience and [yet] almost 90% of fetuses exposed do not benefit from it.

"[Many scientists] claim this is a dangerous experiment on pregnant women and their fetuses that may turn into a tragedy like the one experienced with DES. [Concerns include] reproductive abnormalities that [may] extend to second generations and higher rates of certain cancers."

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Findings were obtained from professor Alice Dreger of Northwestern University's medical school, Ellen Feder of American University, and Anne Tamar-Mattis, executive director of Advocates for Informed Choice. They note that male fetuses may also be affected by the synthetic steroid.

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NOTE:

"Intersex is the presence of atypical combinations of [congenital]  physical features that usually distinguish female from male. An intersex individual may have male and female biological characteristics. Some people (whether physically intersex or not) do not identify themselves as either exclusively female or exclusively male."

                                                                                                     --Wiki

 

     Are American parents this uneasy?

     Is our culture this cowardly, this averse to raising tomboys and lesbians that experimental time and dollars are considered well-spent...on this?

     

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It is as if some in the medical community (and some parents) regard being a lesbian (or a tomboy!) as a disability. If this isn't bigotry, not much else is.
Where are all the fundie Xians screaming about THIS attempted abuse of god's plan???

I'll tell you = they are sitting at home shoving chikin sammiches in to their hypocritical mouths.
Amy they are shameless and will get no safe quarter here nor among decent people anywhere.
I can't even wrap my head around how truly horrible this practice is. I have friends who were victims of the DES fiasco, so even hinting at modifying fetuses through chemical intervention is a huge red flag to me...
Linnn it's at best appalling.
Amy you must be horrified at those that have an abortion because of gender preference as well. Who would want to be born with both sex organs? If some intervention could be done to eliminate that hardship, should it not be investigated?
I am not a "fundie" by any stretch but, I do believe that our lack of respect for life is a crime.
Using abortion on demand logic-it is none of your business what a woman does with her body, that separate entity has no rights. You seem to give it more humanhood because it is desired less because of some future perceived abnormality by mommy that you find repulsive. Mom's motive is none of your business.
You seem to want to give the baby more rights because you think the parent's motives are terrible-you sound selectively Pro-Life on this one.
At the time it has to be given, we don't know if the foetus has CAH or not, nor whether it's male or female. So 7 in 8 cannot be "de-lesbianised", assuming that is desirable, as they're not female, or don't have CAH.

However.. this hormone does cause brain damage, heart damage etc to everyone, CAH or not. What's more, CAH itself can cause severe health problems, but this drug does nothing about those.

What it will do, in the 1 in 8 where it has the desired effect, is to make the genitals more female, and the brain more female. It may actually increase the rate of transsexuality and/or androphilia in male foetusses. It definitely harms the foetus in other ways though.
Jon, to whom would this marketed ? It sounds like an intervention that would not even be considered ever by most parents.
I'm having trouble wrapping my brain around the fact that it is women doing this research. I would also like to know who is funding this research. We can't protest without all of the facts.

P.S. I am very much female and spent most of my childhood up a tree, I was even climbing trees before I was 4 years old, so I don't understand the purpose for this, either. Are we really trying for Stepford? I hope these women understand that, if they are successful, they are preventing someone like them from being born. A woman of scientific mind, I mean. Their morals can go to the evolutionary dustbin, as far as I'm concerned.
i find it hard to call a woman that would allow this to be done to her unborn for these reasons a mom.....
R
Phyllis I believe the women I named here exposed this.
Steel interesting.... I have to think on that!
Zoe-based on the the window you mentioned for this drug to intervene, how could it have a future as presently administered?
It sounds like an SNL like ad " Never suffer from brain freeze again, eat ice cream and gelato without fear of doubling over in agony"-------check with you Dr first as some users have experienced temporary paralysis of their prominent hand simultaneouslywith an incredibly itchy anus which can be dangerous especially if you are operating a motor vehicle.
Interesting article Jon.. Agreed....horrible practice.

Forgive me if I walk around the actual drug and its ramifications while going to the 'seed' of the matter. Conception. Perhaps it would have been better had I chosen to write another essay but here goes:

When I was in my reproductive years..people were playing around with the timing of inception in order to get the desired sex of the child they were going to carry. People do have surrogates and women choose fathers with desired qualities via sperm banks. Gay parents have several options.

Ever see a monarch choosing a mate that was not going to produce good looking healthy heirs? Women lost their head over that issue.

Some people prefer to choose the children they adopt in order to "get" a child that they feel might be compatible with their family or belief system. I did. I adopted through an agency that matched children according to their faith, race and ethnicity. In the early 60s it was common practice. We wanted a child that looked like us.

The sexual orientation of a child may also be important to families. You and I know know that love should not have conditions....But the orientation of the children is a huge problem for some. Children raised in such homes often have tortured lives and my run away.

Therefore, I don't consider the practice of choice... bigotry. Something else....but not bigotry.

I do... consider the interruption/alteration of a growing fetus stupid and potentially harmful to both child and mother. It is odious. The thought of what if...needs to come before the pregnancy. However....
What if a woman was carrying a child that would only be 2 feet tall and she could take a drug that would give this child the opportunity to be 5 feet tall. Would that be okay?

I would like to see more people think before they have a family and understand that the child they have may not be the perfect replica of themselves. I would like to think that most people would think more than twice about bringing children into the world that they cannot care for. What we desperately need in this country is more respect for life before a child is conceived. In this respect our society has completely failed. Too many unwanted are aborted or left to fend for themselves in homes where the man of the night was a sex for pleasure partner and never the intended care giver or provider.

Thanks for giving me the microphone. I've left the stage.
Ande Lots for others to respond to...Thanks very much!
I can't believe it! When I first heard about gender-selection abortion, I wrote a parody about it, predicting that this would be extended to sexual preference.

http://open.salon.com/blog/artlouis/2012/05/31/a_poignant_consultation_at_an_abortion_clinic

I never dreamed that this would come true.

Abortion is a terrible thing, there are no two ways about it, but I have never been in favor of banning it, because often it is a necessary evil.

When it starts getting used for gender selection, or for other rarefied purposes such as you describe here, it could amplify public revulsion against it, and even bring about a constitutional ban.

I put gender selection abortion and this kind in the same bag.
Arthur, again, we agree.
Hmmm, I wonder what those parents are thinking? I've seen some of the most impressive athletes in the world the last two weeks at the Olympics, and they are female!
cc and some are no noubt, gay women.
Tomboys are the best. This world is so plagued by sickness. Where to begin the cleanup? Good for you for exposing such terrible things.
Fernsy thanks very much. When we read/hear of such things we just have no choice but to bring them to light.
Ugh. I hate it when ignorance and science collide.
We could use another reading of Mary Shelley.
Why isn't that money spent on other worthwhile medical endeavours into cancer or other diseases; or wiping out homelessness is beyond me.

R♥
Agree with Fernsy about Tomboys. Strong assertive, athletic women are usually those who can maintain a degree of independence and pride in their bodies. Our granddaughter softball player is a force to be reckoned with. She is one female in a family of men. She has eight male cousins. She still likes her makeup and 'dos'. Family was ecstatic when a girl made it to our roster.
Deborah yep. And when ignorance wins. Tho bringing this out helps to defeat it.
Matt Man, is that right!
FusunA of course, money is better spent but more could be, you're right.
Jon,please tell me this isn't true.

Science to protect life,yes.
Science to manipulate the genetics of a fetus is a crime.

~R~
I had wondered about this, medically, that it hasn't been attempted. Yet, of course, I presumed that it was illegal (it's still unethical). CAH in large parts can be harmful and has other health implications, but I am not talking about gender identity. I was pretty sure we had learned that attempting this kind of manipulation was just a Pandora's box to how many other ways we can harm people. Yikes.
There is a sickness in a person that would condone this practice much less actually choose it for their child. Big pharma execs should all have to be injected with experimental drugs that they want to unleash on consumers. People are who they are born to be and to change them is foolish. The physical risks and the emotional risks can't be quantified in this.
Old Paust said I should reread Mary Shelley so I did. “So much has been done, exclaimed the soul of Frankenstein —
• more, far more, will I achieve; treading in the steps already marked, I will pioneer a new way, explore unknown powers, and unfold to the world the deepest mysteries of creation.
o Victor Frankenstein “
It didn’t end well.

My mom, who got blamed for everything, poor old dear, bless her soul, sorry mom, said, “oh if we were all the same, what a boring world it would be.”

I’m bipolar. I am not, under any circumstances, supposed to say that, though. Out of pride , I ought to say “I am a person with bipolar.” Screw that. If I didn’t have that gene or whatever, I wouldn’t be the brilliant wonderful sunshiney person I have finally finally become.

I say, let them raise their freaks .That’s what they’ll be. On the playground, a perfect little specimen will be teased : “I heard your mommy engineered you! “ or something like that. Because the proportion of unengineered kids will always be greater. You can send them to posh sheltered private schools or whatnot, but then…they…will get sick and die. That is the way the human immune system works. Poor babes, they will be on antibiotics their entire lives.

I don’t think Mother Nature will put up with this.
My mom used to say, “Don’t you fool with Mother Nature!” …she meant herself, but also…more than that..
This one is a gigantic WTF? for me. It's right up there with the law requiring doctors to give their patients false information to support a specific political viewpoint.

This can't possibly be good for either mother or child. And I say that as a straight woman who spent most of her childhood in jeans because they made it easier to play, roller skate and ride bicycles.

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What about Pippi,a children's classic?
Bob I hope it never happens enough to be quantifiable.
James it's a delicate blance, science and nature, yes. We have to use good judgment.
shiral it's just bizarre; yes.
Astrid Lindgreen must have been a tomboy, too.I wonder what she would say.She is lucky she is not around having to put up with this nonsense,or we would not have these wonderful stories which children enjoy throughout the world.
Oh for crying out loud! We've finally arrived in Brave New World. Or back in Doctor Mengele's office. Stop the planet, I want off.

Just wondering, Jon, if there were a prenatal test for homosexuality, do you think conservatives would bend their principles and approve abortion? Just for this one eentsy exception?

And what's next: Hormonal modification to ensure adult conservative voting preferences...?

Rated (as I shake my head).
Heidi the majority of U.S. parents would not consider doing this.
Alan of course many would.
Most pro-life people are consistent. Planned Parenthood started partly as a way to rid (or at least minimize) those nasty black and yellow vermin. Pro-Lifers never have been selective to my knowledge.
Jay I thi k the point made above is that the tech could easily change that.
Why don't they just abort? I mean, don't they want to get rid of us? Aren't we an aberration? I'm sure their god wouldn't mind in these circumstances. It's their choice after all.
Julie good, ironic question, tho I'm betting some parents who want this are not fundies.
This is frightening. It's hard to believe that parents are agreeing to it and that doctors are recommending and doing it.
jls what you're saying, of course, is that there's a market for this madness.
I went to a conference on neonatal science and Technology a few years back and the guest speakers were discussing recent advances. Discussing future tech and there was agreement that in the not to distant future surrogate 'moms' would be artificial and we would be suspended in a liquid hydrogen based fluid and fed artificially. I asked if she saw the day that it was concievable that it would almost be selfish to have a natural childbirth and she laughed thought about it and said"absolutely".
Lyn BOUND is a terrific film!
This is sick, Jon, and yes, a waste of taxpayers' money.
This sounds anything but conservative! This sounds like an extreme narcissistic socio-pathalogical nazi loving form of anti-humanity. Guess I'd better not express what I 'really' think! ;)
Cathy that's ok...it's what I think, too.
Phew! Already got reamed for another comment I made elsewhere today! I'd better just slink away for awhile. I usually try not to engage in these hotly debated issues! My bad!
Oh, Cathy, come on...you're safe w me, kid. :)
Pretty unbelievable. What country is this again? Unbelievable.
This does sound incredibly stupid and incredibly dangerous! When I hear of these draconian-type studies, I remember the Thalidomide babies in a Newsweek article, decades ago, with no arms or no legs as well as the many who died. Dangerous, dangerous stuff!
I think Intersex children should not be confused with or conflated with lesbian or gay or tomboy kids. Intersex is when children are born - and to a variety of degree - with mixed genitalia. It would be a hard way to live. (And has nothing to do with homosexuality.) I think, as said, we need to remember that this condition is NOT homosexuality and/or tomboyism.
The author of, 'As Nature Made Him" which details the horrible sad life of David Reimer has a section (a chapter perhaps) on what intersex is. It is worth a read.
Science and medicine has historically been at the mercy of cultural prejudice, patronage and fashion.