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JUNE 20, 2012 6:37AM

Was 'Mark' a Woman? (Jesus Hops on the Nuns' Bus.)

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-- Mark's unnamed Jewish woman, a friend to Jesus who places perfume on his head in the days before his murder --

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     The viciousness with which Rome of late has gone after American nuns for what it consider their hyper-focus on the poor and outspoken positions on the Ryan-Romney Budget proposals, health reform and women's health issues generally, as well as on more general economic reform, reminds me that a few serious scholars in the field of historical-Jensus research have more than once wondered above a whisper whether one of the four canonical gospels (and the first written), Mark's, could have been composed by a woman. 

     In brief --  and I'll give this fuller measure another time -- the Markan scene in which an unnamed woman places costly perfume on Jesus' head as he visits a Bethany household struck by leprosy...this is, by some historians, thought to be a signature, Mark's anonymous signature.

     She herself, on this thinking, may well be Mark and if it could be shown to be, it'd be rather significant not simply because of all of the misogynous history it would challenge but because of what Jesus says specifically of her.

     When, in the story, she's admonished by the men in the scene for presuming such a closeness, Jesus upbraids the men, telling them in effect that only she intuitively understands that his body may well shortly be in need of some perfume.

     This is to say, only a woman, this woman, understands fully the risks Jesus has assumed through three-years' increasingly strident anti-poverty agitation, three years' repeated symbolic performances modeling his Kingdom of God program here-on-earth, performances rife with radical notions of equality in an empire and in the shadow of far-too-complicit Jewish political authority, both now increasingly dependent on the grinding rural exploitation at the core of systemic inequality, a slap in the face to a Justice-demanding Jewish God.

     As one researcher has put it, whether or not one could ever really show that Mark was a woman, for the woman in this scene,

                            Easter came early that year,

that is, she seems thoroughly to understand the man's program and what it will surely cost him but that his agenda will survive his death, rise and live on.

     Further, Mark has Jesus tell those assembled, that is, Mark tells his/her readers as well as the group in the scene what none of  his male companions seem to understand:  their friend is certainly going to die, and pretty soon, and for the God of Justice.

     The scene ends, most remarkably, with Jesus telling the men that when the stories of his work spread (after he's gone) the stories will be told "in memory of her", that is, in her honor (not theirs).

     Is there a more symbolic and fundamental raising up of marginalized women in all of our common religious literature? For in ancient Near East cultures poor women were often regarded as barely persons let alone as people to remember, to honor. Could this vignette be Mark's signature?

     No proof will likely be found either way. Certainly by the time 'Mark' was declared part of an official canon (in 325 C.E.. at Nicaea) if the unnamed woman had ever been known or written of, the earliest known copies of 'Mark' do not say whether or not they had been scrubbed. 

     What I do know is that the American nuns who have objected strenuously to the new (male) oversight of their work have, some of them, started a nine-city bus tour under the leadership of Sister Simone Campbell. Here's a brief Associated Press piece on the new Nuns On The Bus Tour.

 

Sister Simone Campbell, executive director of Network, speaks during a stop on the first day of a 9-state Nuns on the Bus tour, Monday, June 18, 2012, in Ames, Iowa.A group of Roman Catholic nuns has begun a nine-state bus tour protesting proposed federal budget cuts, saying it...felt called to show how Republican policies are affecting low-income families. The tour...started in Des Moines [is] organized by Network, a Washington-based Catholic social justice group criticized in a recent Vatican report that said some organizations led by nuns have focused too much on economic injustice.... The Vatican asked American bishops to look at Network’s ties to another group of nuns it is reorganizing because of what the church calls “serious doctrinal problems.” Sister Simone Campbell, Network’s executive director, said the...tour [is] in response to...the federal budget in Congress. “We’re doing this because of what’s happening on the Hill,” she said.

 

      I know who's on that bus with those women; that rabbi hopped on this bus long ago. 

 

 Nuns Go on Bus Tour & Speak Out Against Republican Budget Cuts

 Sister Simone Campbell

 

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If there's a singular voice left in that institution that may reflects his, it may well be theirs.
So many starting points, so little space on this topic for me. Jesus busted through the cultural and political membrane in his time and brought women up from being only chattel to equal standing with men among his following. The scrubbing out of their stories began almost at once when he was killed. The so-called apostles were threatened.
Lead Verse 114, Gospel of Thomas.

Though I will say that in the early years prior to one Cgurch, there were women in ldrshp positions in many, many Jesus-communities, incl some of Paul's House-Churches.
Not being a religious man, I only know right from wrong. The Catholics, the Muslims, and anyone else that conspire to keep the women of the world down are just as bad as slave owners like Jefferson writing one thing and doing another. I see it getting better, but like slavery and the Black man, it is really slow going.
Kenny I wonder what would happen were it to be shown that one of the four authorized gospels was written by a womam.
It's unlikely that any of the Gospels were written by any of the actual Disciples, just as it's unlikely that any part of Torah or Tanakh were written by any of the Prophets, most Hebrew scholars regard Jesus as a legendary as opposed to a historical figure. Peter and Paul were probably the primary scribes of the Christian New Testament. These collected transcriptions of oral religious traditions provide the model for compassion and justice that has been largely ignored by the internecine political struggles of organized religion, and that is where the Nuns on a Bus stand apart. They're not concerned with the politics of the Vatican nor the Bishops in America. They're concerned with compassion and justice for the people and that most definitely puts the legendary rabbi at their side.
Well done Jon. If we are to believe in God...any God...then we hope he or she is everywhere...buses included. I have not heard the Mark theory before. I know little of historical Jesus, other than what I have seen on the History Channel or Discovery and what I read here. I can barely keep up and depend on others to offer me interesting bits that I can follow. Thank you.
jmac thanks! I think you're wholly correct as to the nuns tho we disagree as to the NT writers. Paul was literate and yet many gsps and the Didache pre-date his conversion...and many other reasons.
Excellent post. How much of life would be easier if we just thought what would Jesus do?
Amy if the man's anywhere, he's on that bus right now ty!
This is too too delicious.

(By the way, I have forgiven you for
that horrific image from the other day..you know the one..
nuff said! yikes..3 inches...)


first of all , this means i am named after a girl! mark is my
middle name, cuzza st mark. Mom was going through a
religious phase then. Don't worry. It didn't stick, for her...

This i love much:"three years' repeated symbolic performances modeling his Kingdom of God program here-on-earth, performances rife with radical notions of equality "

Performance artist extraordinaire, our savior boy.
Much in need of perfume indeed
after the hot water he
found himself in..

Nuns on the bus! You go, girls!
Ah that Ratzinger. Makes me ashamed to be German sometimes.
ehhhh.....i'll just rate....you already know my view on religion....no need to repeat....
R
James no worries Karl M was German, too. :)
steel thanks and, as i thi nk you know, i find religions' developments and historicity fascinating faith? that's something else entirely and i have no opinions abt it
yup....and leaving aside the faith....i always found the historical side of the stories real interesting.....especially all the various interpretations.....which seem to be infinite.....why i always check ur stuff.....
Oh yeah, Jon! Rated, tweeted and FB'd. Well said.
Jett Thanks and pls tell me of any interesting responses you receive.
Oh yeah, Jon! Rated, tweeted and FB'd. Well said.
Oops, sorry about the double-up. Computer lied and told me my comment hadn't posted. Will report any responses.
Sister Simone Campbell is an awesome force to be reckoned with... a nun with a law degree...watch yourselves!

i think i just love the 'idea' of mark as a woman, and as i understand it none of the authors of the canonical gospels identify themselves, so i guess i am free to believe it as being so. :)
Fascinating theory. Go, nuns!
Jon, not currently having a copy of the Gospel according to Thomas on my shelf, it might be good if we could have the full quote from that reference you offered in response to Linnn's comment.

I love this, btw. It's the nuns who are striving to turn Catholicism into a real force for good. It's the women, not so much the men, working on those economic issues you mention.
I applaud every loving action these intelligent women may make.
R
So many stories are written and I agree that very few were written by the apostles. I have always assumed they were like fairy tales with some sort of basis to it.

The extreme Christians take these stories and weave them into they insist we should all believe. I don' think that Jesus ever meant to say he was coming back to take a busload with him back to heaven. He meant that we should all get it together before we destroy the world and ourselves.

I believe he was married or in love with Mary Magdalene as she was a prostitute but he held her high just like other women. I also think it was his mother Mary that put the respect that he grew to have about women. I do believe there were women writing these stories because of who HE was.

Too bad he cannot come back and explain a thing or two to some of these radicals especially these republicans that want women bearin and birthin babies with very little say.
HUGGGGGGGGG
If any of the text were written by a woman, it wouldn't change anything for me. I doubt women were allowed to do much of anything back then.

Even the stories ABOUT women in Jesus' life are from a male's perspective.

Clerics today might resent this because it challenges their beliefs.
The whole penance/redemption scenario doesn't seem logical to me. I've emailed you my remaining thoughts.
B. Were Mark a woman Nuns would gain Power so, yes, it would be fought against.
Linda the Church Men labeled the woman a prostitute. There's no actual reason to believe it.
PW so do I. :) Maybe I'll do a quick post soon on Gsp Thomas v. 114.
indeed, jon. OH HOLY man, reduced to 100 yrs of carnage
and misunderstanding at the hands of the damn russians
and the chinese! cubans, too. ay.

he saw his shit a happening in germany.
well, something else happened there. some say nietzsche was to
blame. idiots!

i say we still got our hegel. they are still working on
figuring that old beer/coffee-loving mumblehead.
"Not curiosity, not vanity, not the consideration of expediency, not duty and conscientiousness, but an unquenchable, unhappy thirst that brooks no compromise leads us to truth."
Hegel's "Stammbuch" (Album)
Lorianne ask yourself, too: Certainly any composer of at least the 1st 2 authorized Gsps, Mrk/Matt, had to have Jewish names. Likely Luke did, too, and John. And of course, Paul was Saul, "Sha'ul".
Returned to rate. See your PM...now I would love your input on rapture, Jon. ;)
I love those nuns. I'm not a religious person either, but I believe they are doing Jesus' true work.
When men, predominantly white male Republicans,continue to be threatened by women, misogynistic practices will still rule the day.
It is not surprising to me that nuns would take up this effort. They have been just as marginalized (or more) by Rome as anybody. You go, Sister Simone Campbell and all her companions! And as for "Mark" possibly being a woman? I pray for the day someone finds proof of that.

Lezlie

Lezlie
Bud man, they're such babies
Lezlie yes tho what kind of proof would move Rome an inch?
[r] full out misogyny in our society. Against nuns, against nurses, against teachers. Lack of respect and yet they are so much of the soul and heart and conscience of America (walking the walk so many just talk) and thus the targets for the War on Empathy. The war on teachers, including Obama's charter one. Vast majority of teachers are women! The leaders and pushers for universal health care, the nurses who see the insanity of the medical system and people dying one at a time because they naively trusted their health care but corporate loopholes -- greed -- have prevented them from adequate care. The oppression and disrespect for the Catholic nuns devoting their lives to self-less charity work, hampered by patriarchal authoritarian power and control narrowness. The demonization of women pro choice. No empathy. Women in the military, 1 out of 3 can expect to get raped and it is grotesquely minimized as a risk of this particular job?????? The marginalization of women absolutely. The demonization of women absolutely. Mark was a woman? Maybe. Good luck with that. Mary Magdalene was a disciple who was certainly disrespected through history and it is suggested it was SO not deserved! best, libby
The status of women in the Middle East hasn't improved a helluva lot since the First Century. Honor killings are still very much in vogue.

The New Testament does offer a much more enlightened view of women. Too bad that view isn't shared by a lot of fundamentalist Christians today -- "wives, be subject to your husbands" is still the "natural" order and sex is still for procreation only -- women's duty, and they need not enjoy it; indeed, it's somehow unseemly if they do. No wonder we're so forked-up when it comes to sex.

As for the speculation about Markie, it ranks in there with the speculation that Jesus was gay. Interesting, but in my book, an irrelevant distraction from the real message, which damn few pay any heed these days, that is that the twin pillars of Jesus' teachings are pacifism and communism.
Jonathan,

you're doing here a great job: denying Bly and his disciple James. Better than reuniting American boys with their father, who spends too much time in the factory, you should send them to the nuns to become, by a proper education in social values, a better man!

If you have to find in Bethany the argument for thinking Mark is a woman, then I know a lot of Markan texts to declare him a man.

The same construct could be applied to John. He didn't rely on Mark as source, and yet he mentions the woman of Bethany.
I guess if Mark could be a woman, there are enough reasons to assume the three other evangelists are also woman.

Would Jesus be on the bus?
There's a yes and a no.
Yes, Jesus got on very well with women.
No, Jesus wasn't about government or governors, certainly not to take side between Republicans and Democrats.
And Jesus didn't mind taxes.
Jesus was more of a one to one relation: you and your neighbor.

Being a construct themselves - Jesus and these men around him - a more important question is: would you be on the bus, Jonathan.
From your posts, I guess the answer will be: yes, I am!
Libby among the best shards of evidence for Mary of Magdala having married Jesus is the church's mythologizing her into a whore.
Jon,this is indeed an interesting thought.There have been women writing under pseudonym like George Sand.
I also like the way you help this Jesus slip into a physical body and let him take part in this action.
Whenever you speak of him,you manage to turn this historical figure into a contemporary person.
You are incredible.
Rated for Jesus among us,and for you as his deciple.
If he shows up,please let me/us/know.
Tom yet there's no textual support for the gay charge; there is some for the Mark-as-woman interest.
Heidi thanks tho I cannot say I have any religious faith in the man.
Tom:
You make an interesting point here.
"...damn few pay any heed these days, that is that the twin pillars of Jesus' teachings are pacifism and communism."
Jon:
To be religious is a matter of definition,and I did not mean it in any specific way.
It is fascinating how much life you put into him,and to be quite honest:If he happened to come now in order to sort out the mess we are in right now,I would very much appreciate this.
Jon: Thank you for making that cogent point about Mary Magdalene. There literally is no real evidence she ever prostituted herself. I believe the founders of Catholicism wished to keep the schism between men and women assured, so they denied Jesus would have been married (certainly by the time he was done with his Rabbinical training), so they then had to explain Mar of Magdala's role as unsaintly or unseemly. Mustn't let the sacred feminine be a part of the deciding factor within church ranks! There'd be a difference of opinion as to how money was to be distributed, and less in the way of war, even less persecution, as women traditionally tend more towards guarding the sick, the homeless, the disenfranchised. And then, of course, they had to go Zoroastrian, and add that Jesus' mother could not have gotten pregnant by her husband with one they proclaimed to be the "only" son of God.
Those old Church fathers, they really knew how to keep women subservient.
pw i say amazed that they take it
i don't see any evidence here that mark was a woman. this seems as flimsy as an alternative jfk assassination theory. i think you could have made your point about the nuns without such idle speculation.