Having an intellectual love affair with another dead white guy these days: Kurt Vonngut.
I just read this, from his autobiographical Fates Worse than Death:
‘‘the hatred for all things German…in this country during ww1…was so virulent that there were virtually no proudly German institutions still operating….when it came time for ww2.
German Americans had become in self defense and in embarrassment the least tribal and most acculturated segment of our white population..”
Perhaps this is a clue to my family’s awful history. My dad was the son of a German immigrant. He was born in 1922, grew up in the 1930’s, and went to war as an American in 1942. His dad was an elf of a man, barely over 5 ft, a gentle incomprehensible presence to me. He’d fled Germany at the beginning of the 20th century. I remember almost zip about him, the man. He was a master engraver, worked for Dow.
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Vonnegut was German. I get him totally. I wonder if it is an ethnic thing?
Dad never read Vonnegut, or any fiction, til he started to fade away mentally, needing stimulation beyond his ‘’house arrest’’ after his retirement from the local high school , where he became principal for 10 terrible years, in the 1970’s. He took up drinking. He was known to be a problem drinker. He retired under pressure at age 56 from the job. Later, he went back as a sub and a tutor, but it all ended disastrously for him in 1992, age 70, when the drinking & dementia made him unfit .
I got him mystery novels from the library. He’d send me out to get some wine and “maybe a really good book , you sure know how to choose them.’’ He read some fine mysteries from the masters of the genre, and we discussed them. I loved to watch him read. Silent, still, utter concentration. I fed his fading mind with fun, I hope. Yes, I know I did.
“Ha, what an ending ! I suspected that fella all along, didn’t you, Jim!?” he’d say, and admonish me to return the book immediately to the library , for Dad was done with it. “Can you get me another one like that?” he would ask.
“I shall get you sixteen more like that, if you want, Dad, “ I would say. “This author is prolific!”
“Excellent! And good word, ‘prolific’.”
“What is it in German?”
A change would come over him. A delight. He would search his decaying brain for just the right word, or words, from the language he’d used for the first five years of his life, 1922-1927, until he’d had to pick up English in school. On his own.
He’d spit and sprech and gutterally give me the word, and make me pronounce it, with his deadly serious corrections over umlauts or vowels. I had to sprechen sie deutsch perfectly. I enjoyed it. it made me feel as if I was making up nonsense languages, as I used to do for a hobby.
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“Auf Wiedersehen “was his favorite.Ach.
I never got it right.


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German is something I have often contemplated getting out of my body. I'd like some sort of ethnic make over but it turns out that is almost impossible. So for a minute here you made me happy to be part German. Thanks.
well put.."German is something I have often contemplated getting out of my body.
I'd like some sort of ethnic make over
but it turns out that is almost impossible. "
(i shall steal it!)
Vonnegut has a good line:
"most of what we like about german culture came
from many Germans..what we hate about it
comes from one."
he meant hitler but you mean mom.
same darn thing!
I can actually go to the bar , when i used to, before my os obsession,
and say, "I am German" and get awe and wonder.
Their economy is humming along nicely, my
economic advisors tell me. Plus,
they have social services
aplenty (they invented it!! back before ww1)...
well, i am just happy i got some goethe , hegel, novalis, einstein,
vonnegut, meister eckhart, martin luther,
holderlin, ah...uh..mann...and
all the countless others...
like..nietzsche , who
profoundly foresaw our mess,
and whose name i cannot speak cuz of its
association with whatever.................
(guy at a bar said , leave me alone, no more talk,
after i quoted poor n.)
i do it involuntarily now.
he once said,
"ach , we germans? we are the n's (edited: african americans)
of europe"
But, due to WW1 and WW2, they assimilated a great deal and consciously cast-off their heritage, which is a shame. It is a good heritage, even though some still want us to forget it and be ashamed of it.
it is somehow a way of being.
a mighty self implosion.
a hauntingly ugly
weird language.
twain said it best ..
"
Whenever the literary German dives into a sentence, that is the last you are going to see of him till he emerges on the other side of his Atlantic with his verb in his mouth." ha.
mo m or grandma will say "oh i dont know"
how the f-ing f could you NOT?
what is up here?
thank goodness i am accounted for.
1/4 english puritan
1/4 scottish immigrant.
1/2 german.
however..some irish is back there, and i cannot get to it.
the scottish grandpa's family? i dunno.
anyway. i am yes, the Whitest Man Alive.
How come white male people bug me? arg.
a background check on ya.
italian, arg. my pal is italian.
400 lbs of italian. ay.
yeah, WREN: here is my task for today:
to rehabilitate Germany.
What the f.
I am bored
shitless. i am feeling something or other.
damn vonnegut, gets the silly bone vibrating & all hell
breaks loose.
in german what i said is:
"
Ja, WREN: Hier ist meine Aufgabe für heute:
Deutschland zu rehabilitieren.
Was die f.
Ich langweile mich
shitless."hm.......................................
(in full idiot German mode here:)
Gut! sehr gut!
very good! you have told of your amazing heritage well.
you have also used "ach' in the way tis was intended, a kind of
disgusted spitty blechhhh at whatever is currently on
yer mind, whether it be your
or another's foible.
for some damn fool reason i cannot add any goethe or
vonnegut or h. heine quotes, cuz os is freezing. oh blah.
so it goes...............
my version= oh blah.bah
Hope so too, James. SUPERCAL post; multiple thankyous. [We're all ?part? German(s) now?........]
R
thinking world.
no not really.
well yeah kinda.
silly names these germans.
i actually read a book by a fella named Hamburger once.
dunno if the poor fucker was from Hamburg or not.
haw.
here is the quote i cannot embed cuz i dunno why..
"Wer reitet so spät durch Nacht und Wind?
Es ist der Vater mit seinem Kind;
Er hat den Knaben wohl in dem Arm,
Er faßt ihn sicher, er hält ihn warm.
Who rides, so late, through night and wind?
It is the father with his child.
He holds the boy in the crook of his arm
He holds him safe, he keeps him warm.
Der Erlkönig (1782)
Noble be man,
Helpful and good!
For that alone
Sets hims apart
From every other creature
On earth.
Das Göttliche (The Divine) (1783)"
lotsa more. shit. who the hell is this Goethe?
i never was exposed unto him.
in high school.
had to read catcher in the rye. i dont remember that.
I got this bing translator I like to use. Usually it brings up absolute nonsense, but
That is the german language, I am beginning to see. And that is how we may or may not be all germans:
We yearn to experiment and augment language, ay.ach?
Here it is:
Proflific, per bing..
Arg. Prolific is what I get.
Hold it.
Went to googly go..
Got gawd help me the usua l german bullshit;
prolific (also: copious, numerous, numerously, frequent)
zahlreich
prolific (also: unstinting, abundant, opulent, opulently)
üppig
prolific {adj.} (also: fertile, fecund, fecundly, copious)
fruchtbar
... well-known that there was no need to explain anything about it, that it was extraordinarily prolific and that someone had counted the eggs of a...
..., dass es hier keiner weiteren Erläuterung bedürfe, er sei außerordentlich fruchtbar und jemand habe den Rogen eines mittelgroßen Kabeljaus...
prolific
sehr produktiv
prolific (also: rich, wealthy, wealthily, affluent)
reich
prolific {adj.}
gebärfreudig
Synonyms (English) for "prolific": © Princeton University
fertile fecund fertile
JACK; familiar. Yes. You summed up this dumb post quickly. Thank u.
Angie jolie on the Oscars ! she smiles. Oh, so does freeman, morgan. Ah what is it all about, all these rich damn fools grinning. Shit..there is nolte..he looks bloated. A dog is barking now..10 10 pm. Huh? Crystal , billy, is muted. Some hair cut is on sayin something. Well, oh but there is jen Connelly, yum. Pinch face, this guy. we saw the magnificently benign paternalistic face of meryl streep. Then camero n diaz, a party girl.. lifting an elbow to her hair in a guffaw.
Now a damn book coming up. Wtf? Crystal looks sardonic, above me, which I wanna smash his head for .
It is the torah? No tis an original score of..the war horse movie I never heard of..
Wait…natalie portman is giving a reward. She looks mature tonite. I hope she stays innocent forever.
Then tat damn blonde fucker, wison. Is that natialie portman? I dunno total curly hair smug fucker comin up now to get his Oscar. Looking like he was born for this moment.
Shit enough…………………..
one last look at oscar, i get f-ing will ferrell, whom i like and
am ashamed to like.
serves me right.
go, DESCENDANTS! yahoo! only one i seen.
i if u care have been catching up
on the new hawaii 5 oh.
the tv one.
thinking it could not be touched for sentiment.
wrong i was. arg.
now scifi channe l & sleep i hope.
milla jovovich, quite a talented dish,
in one of those dumb armageddon movies of hers..
resident evil.. what is she wearing, i wearily wonder. hah.
gonna go back to oscar of course, like
a dimwit suburbanite rubbernecking
at a cop event
where maybe just maybe i will see some blood and guts.
on the highway.
traffic was shit today, both my sisters said. hm. too bad.
it inconvenienced me. i had to hole up in the library and
read the sunday nytimes. syria! iran!
this troubles me, especially
what the f. israel gonna do.
who in charge there?
netan-yahoo/ whaat is going on?
shit.
gnite.
PODUNK: thanks for all the fing ratings. guten abend to yer ass too. oh boy i am in a mood..........should
gracefully
go
away.
yet here i go, for half a second, or less...
ho boy the real natalie portman.
she is so sweet. like a high school debater chick.
honoring that weird old nutcase gary oldman,
who look s not at all old.
now she is mouthing shit at brad pit, adorably.
her hair is straight.
pitt is as usual distractedly genius.
so oscar goes to some damn french guy.
natalie gives him the double cheek kissy thing that maybe i
if i got the oscar might have lingered on why not.
guy says "i love your country" he used word joie d'vieve.
yay.
natalie sneaked off, as stiff but delightfully so as always.
this frenchman showing too much emotion.
oh enough.
Judging all Germans by what the Nazis did is like throwing the baby out with the bath water. My husband has German heritage, which means my son has German heritage, and I don't love either one of them any less for it. And Vonnegut has always been one of my favorite AMERICAN writers.
I never liked the sound of German
until I read Rilke.
I never liked Germany
until I moved next door.
I didn't know then
of my secret
Sephardi heritage
but fear and anger
travel silently through
the blood,
and I knew
without being told
that
all things German:
even Goethe and Schiller
and especially
Wagner
were to be shunned.
Then I read Rilke
and realized
that all of us have a soul
ripe for redemption.
(by me)
Schlußstük
Der Tod ist groß.
Wir sind die Seinen
lachenden Munds.
Wenn wir uns mitten im Leben meinen,
wagt er zu weinen
mitten in uns.
Ranier Maria Rilke
It's fascinating the relationship we have with languages, especially the way it's handed down from our parents. My father's father was a Polish Jew who spoke several languages (including German), yet besides a little obligatory Hebrew, my father never learned any language but English. My mother had grandparents who only spoke to her in Italian, but she and her siblings never learned to speak or write it - only to understand it. It's funny what we hold onto and what we don't. I know your dad was proud of you, whatever your pronunciation. I thought it was so touching how he trusted you to find him good books to read. Such respect there.
Auf Wiedersehen difficult to say?
Figures.
Saying good-bye, "God be with you" is difficult in any language.
Martin Mull said it best I believe in a line from a song on his album "A White Sport Coat and a Pink Crustacean":
"It's so hard to say au revoir
So I'll just say hors d'ouevres."
last but not least ,
here you get my comments.
If you want to know who Goethe is,I tell you my own interpretation.
To me,Goethe is the German Shakespeare.
If you want to get into German,stick with Goethe,or Rainer Maria Rilke or Hermann Hesse,to name only a few.I don't care for Wagner,in fact,I never like to listen to his music,so I don't.
One of the very fine temporary writers is Peter Härtling.He has written excellent literature for children,but there are quite a few biographies by him,one of them being"Friedrich Hölderlin".
The children's books are easy to read,have short,simple sentences and are very enjoyable not only for children.
The Ballade you have cited is beautifully written with a lot of emphasis in the dramatic event.
Do you know "Der Zauberlehrling",and one ballad about fire?This is "Dichtkunst vom Feinsten"
Zanelle:
Your mother is in her 90s,so she was born around 1920.If she grew up in Germany,she was a young girl when the WWII started.I don't think anyone of this generation has ever really come to terms with what had happened.People over here who are working with old people keep telling me that history is catching up with this generation.The best thing to do is to sing with them.
There is a lot I despice about the Germans of that era,even today you can feel remnants of this time in them.
Today,I consider Germany to be a liberal country,and what I have always loved about this country is the music and the literature.
Wren: I had to laugh about the spitting.There is a nice joke in our family about a friend who was telling a story about the English "TH".In his attempt to say so,the food in his mouth landed on the plate of someone sitting opposite to him.
Corso:
Yes,I agree with you about Rilke,but there are others.
Jack Heart:
German happens to be one of the "Germanic" languages like Dutch,English,Swedish,perhaps Norwegian,too.
"Germanic " race in the widest sense means to be of viking heritage,that is how I see it.
Zanelle:
We always like to see the good sides in our fathers,don't we?
I have had a mean grandmother,so I know.
But I had another one who was nice.
1. Sehet ihr am Fensterlein
Dort die rote Mütze wieder?
Nicht geheuer muß es sein,
Denn er geht schon auf und nieder.
Und auf einmal welch Gewühle
Bei der Brücke, nach dem Feld!
Horch! das Feuerglöcklein gellt:
Hinterm Berg,
Hinterm Berg
Brennt es in der Mühle!
2. Schaut! da sprengt er wütend schier
Durch das Tor, der Feuerreiter,
Auf dem rippendürren Tier,
Als auf einer Feuerleiter!
Querfeldein! Durch Qualm und Schwüle
Rennt er schon, und ist am Ort!
Drüben schallt es fort und fort:
Hinterm Berg,
Hinterm Berg
Brennt es in der Mühle!
3. Der so oft den roten Hahn
Meilenweit von fern gerochen,
Mit des heilgen Kreuzes Span
Freventlich die Glut besprochen -
Weh! dir grinst vom Dachgestühle
Dort der Feind im Höllenschein.
Gnade Gott der Seele dein!
Hinterm Berg,
Hinterm Berg
Ras't er in der Mühle!
4. Keine Stunde hielt es an,
Bis die Mühle borst in Trümmer;
Doch den kecken Reitersmann
Sah man von der Stunde nimmer.
Volk und Wagen im Gewühle
Kehren heim von all dem Graus;
Auch das Glöcklein klinget aus.
Hinterm Berg,
Hinterm Berg
Brennts! -
5. Nach der Zeit ein Müller fand
Ein Gerippe samt der Mützen
Aufrecht an der Kellerwand
Auf der beinern Mähre sitzen:
Feuerreiter, wie so kühle
Reitest du in deinem Grab!
Husch! da fällts in Asche ab.
Ruhe wohl,
Ruhe wohl
Drunten in der Mühle!
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Rated for your lovely tribute to your German father
An Irish mother and a German father
His roguishness seems to have been a product of the Irish influence
His stern approach to expressing his feelings
or even knowing what feelings were
seems to have been a product of his father
Your stories about your father
always remind me of him
He died at the age of 60,
younger than I am now
He only read one book
a paperback copy of "Mandingo"
the pages worn and turned
but it was always there
on the little shelf behind the toilet bowl
he only read when he was on his royal throne
I never thought to see what it was about
the whole thing kind a creeped me out.
rated with love