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CAER HALLUNDBAEK is an award-winning author, educator and communicator on spirituality, religious tolerance, and faith worldwide. A founding director of the Godspeed Institute, she is the host of the popular radio program of the same name, which airs on the Progressive Radio Network every week. For inspiration, guidance, and to hear her conversations with spiritual leaders and scholars around the world, see links below to connect!

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JANUARY 26, 2010 1:31PM

The Dark Side of Inspiration: Avatar’s Suicide Hotline

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In 1977, I stood up and cheered along with my fellow moviegoers, as Luke Skywalker destroyed the Death Star in that summer’s visionary blockbuster Star Wars. Our joyful reaction was involuntary. And I remember how energetic I felt following the movie when we stepped out of the dark theater into the bright sunshine: infused with youthful energy and hope for all the things I would do in my life.  

Many viewers of this year’s blockbuster Avatar are experiencing the opposite response to the film – that is, entering the darkness as they exit the theater – a response that now has Avatar suicide hotlines and depression forums set up worldwide to support them. People are looking around at their world, our world, and struggling with feelings of depression and hopelessness, including suicidal thoughts. They long for the beauty of Pandora, the film’s utopian world, and – importantly – they feel that attaining that world in this one is impossible. 

So people remain idealists about humanity and life on earth; that’s the good news. 

The bad news is the blurring line of discernment in viewers (inspiration is one thing; fantasy is another) due to increasingly virtual experiences, online and otherwise, coupled with the parched desert of spiritual life that may be leaving them vulnerable to despair when faced with an altered, if more beautiful, version of reality. 

Actor Stephen Lang, who plays Col. Miles Quaritch in the film, explains that "Pandora is a pristine world, and there is synergy between all of the creatures of the planet… I think that strikes a deep chord within people.”  

Yes – we do live in a pristine world. Deep down we know that, no matter how polluted it is; the purest lotus blossom emerges from mud. That’s the deepest chord we know. And we also recall, somewhere in our DNA memory, that there is synergy between the creatures of the planet. We know that from sources as diverse as particle physicists, Buddha, St. Francis, the builders of Stonehenge, the umbilical cord, Carl Jung, the Internet and more. We even know it as “The Force” in the Star Wars saga, a concept I found comforting and energizing.   

On the official Avatar Forum, there’s a thread entitled Ways to cope with the depression of the dream of Pandora being intangible. Over 1000 people have posted there, in search of help with their post-Avatar struggle with sadness. Here is a particularly concerning post: 

“Ever since I went to see ‘Avatar’ I have been depressed. Watching the wonderful world of Pandora and all the Na’vi made me want to be one of them. I can’t stop thinking about all the things that happened in the film and all of the tears and shivers I got from it. I even contemplate suicide thinking that if I do it I will be rebirthed in a world similar to Pandora, and then everything is the same as in ‘Avatar.’” 

The Dalai Lama lives every day with the memory of a seeker who sought his wisdom about reincarnation many years ago. The Dalai Lama explained his thoughts on this process of spiritual growth through rebirth – and the student committed suicide in an attempt to advance through that process. 

No, suicide is not the answer to an alluring and perplexing movie. Instead, some perspective may be in order. 

I recall seeing Pink Floyd’s The Wall when I was 19 years old. It was the midnight show at the 8th Street Cinema in New York City, not far from my college dorm at NYU.  After the movie, I stopped in the rest room and found a teenage girl hiding under a bathroom sink, crying. She was about 15.  I asked her if she was all right, and she shared how the film was deeply upsetting to her. 

There is a difference in maturity between 19 and 15, and I was able to be of some assistance. I simply reminded her that (1) it is only a movie – and (2) it is only one man’s opinion – not necessarily the truth.  

What Avatar does, perhaps, is ‘penetrate the miasma,’ as the line goes, breaking through to the illusions we hold about our selves and our lives, in a manner similar, perhaps, to The Matrix (1999).  It reminds us of all that can be if we step up to the challenge and art of living fully. It also reminds us of how we can stray very far from that potential.  

Still, the cinema is not meant to be reality, no matter how lifelike the 3D effects may be.  

We need to take from the arts what inspires us, what teaches us – enjoy it – be glad for it – remember it – even inspire others with it – and use the best of it to enhance our experience of living.  

Recalling the end of what may be the most enduring other-world of all time, Camelot, King Arthur says this to the young messenger who will keep the legend alive:  

Each evening, from December to December,
Before you drift to sleep upon your cot,
Think back on all the tales that you remember
Of Camelot


Where once it never rained till after sundown,
By eight a.m. the morning fog had flown...
Don't let it be forgot
That once there was a spot
For one brief shining moment that was known as…
Camelot
 

Camelot continues to reside in our mind and heart, because that is precisely where it does the most good – as we move, consciously or unconsciously, toward the ideals of the Round Table.  

In time, I hope that the promising land of Avatar may find a similar residence.  

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Is this really happening ? I feel like that a little when I go to a Pearl Jam concert and they stop playing, but then I just buy the concert CD and I'm fine. Maybe they'd feel better if they buy some Avatar toys at Burger King ...
Yes! We saw Avatar in 3D on Saturday. I loved the religious/spiritual overtones of the prayer tree and the fact his prayers were heard so that all the animals helped him fight his battle. How miraculous, supernatural, hopeful!

But I also know that Planet earth was never supposed to be a utopia and all of our deepest thinkers remind us of that: Buddha cautioned that Life is suffering. Jesus reminded us the poor will always be with us. There is no religious thought that promises us an earthly utopia and in fact those who try to achieve utopia on earth usually end up as genocidal maniacs [pol pot].

Suicide hotlines for a movie? Wow.
Deborah - 'The Prayer Tree,' by Australian writer/artist Leunig, is one of my favorite books.
Thank you for your post, Carole. I had no idea this phenomenon -- a post-Avatar let down to the point where people feel hopeless -- was occurring. Pandora was beautiful indeed, but I saw it as a magnificently animated metaphor for what Earth once was (when people lived simply in tribes and communed with and respected nature) and what Earth could be again (with a massive miracle or two) where we live as one and respect our planet. Of course, this potential future may sound like sci-fi too, but a girl's gotta dream.
Wow - That is a good piece, Thank you Carole.
It's just that kind of perspective we need.
I had no idea that people were putting this much emotional stock in a movie. I left the theater depressed that the plot was so cliched and unoriginal. Spectacular special effects or not, give me a story I haven't heard a million times (bad man destroys a perfect world, and we are barbarians) if you want me to spend the cash and time to see it.

But I suppose it could be depressing to those that aren't as jaded by life as I have been. I'm in my 30's so I'm pretty hardened to the random crap of life.

Thanks for this post. I guess it goes to show that people in the entertainment industry need to think long and hard about all of the implications of their work. I feel that, from the ending, James Cameron meant for it to be encouraging - like we could redeem ourselves if we resolved to do so and change in our own minds (as was evidenced by the physical manifestation of the characters avatar). But perhaps I read something different in it that others see, or was intended.

Thanks for a great post!
My wife and I had a similar reaction. She actually said that she wished she could live on Pandora.

Thanks for a great post. Rated.
I can see why people were depressed by that movie. It made me want to have sex with a tall, blue, taut-fleshed alien woman who believes the All of Existence Is One, and will save me if I fall off a very tall tree. The 3-D was nice, but I was seeing everything in 3-D before I put the glasses on. I like your post better than the movie.
People contemplating suicide on this account have much, much, much worse problems to deal with than a movie!

I don't mean to be cold. I went through a depression period a long while back...and frankly, I'd much rather go through treatment for lymphoma again than go through that.

But my guess is the movie is hardly the major catalyst for the depression…or for any suicides that may be attributed to it.

My further guess is that more people were inspired by the movie to effort toward the betterment of humankind…than were put into a blue funk.

Thanks for the thoughts...but the glass still looks half full to me.
I'm thought for awhile that the internet and the constant advancement in technology are making many of us feel more fractured and lost. I think we are drawing near to a time where reform or even some form of revolution will be called for. This post was heartening in that disheartening way. rated.
I'll admit I actually got a little weepy-eyed toward the end of Avatar. It reminded me so much of what we did to the Native Americans and continue to do today to the Amazon rain forests. Factor in some other contemporary parallels like the mercenaries equaling Blackwater, and I can see how it would drive many to suicide.

Destruction in the name of progress and profit. Will it ever cease?
Avatar is, among other things, a wake-up call. Humans have trashed our home planet to the point where it may not be able to sustain us much longer. We brutalize each other at home and abroad.

Ideally, instead of turning inward to depression and suicidal thoughts, Avatar viewers should get involved in causes that can bring us closer to realizing Pandora's possibilities: Work for peace, for clean air and water, for climate control, for justice -- to name just a few roads to a better future.
Seriously? I find this really hard to believe. I think it's far more likely that depressed people with suicidal tendencies are attracted to this movie for some reason (rather than that this movie is causing or even triggering such action). I saw the movie, and it wasn't that deep. Really.
This is troubling to me that people would be so out of it that they would see animation as reality. Are their imaginations so stunted that they never dreamed? Or so out of reality that they haven't seen the utopic existances here on earth that we have distroyed usually in hostile takeover due to greed, just as this movie is? To me it was the same old story done in an original way. The late teens and 20 something think it's so great. I took my 11 year old to it and she wanted to leave in the middle because she thought it was creepy.
Good God. The film is enjoyable enough at the time, but very cliched. Actually, I think I thought it was cliched - I couldn't remember much about it ten minutes after I left the cinema.
Frank makes a great point. Obviously people who contemplate suicide after watching Avatar have some more serious and deep-rooted issues, but their depression should not be ignored or treated lightly. Like many other things, the movie is serving as a trigger to these suicidal thoughts. I hope everyone feeling such deep depression gets the help, support, and understanding that they need.
Anyone who knows someone who is that depressed over Avatar needs to get them talking asap, preferably to professional help to find out what the real issue is. While struck by the beauty of Pandora, I was also very aware of the dangers of this untamed wilderness. It wasn't all rainbows and candy.
Anyone who wants to take the gas pipe because a giant slab of frozen custard in 3-D is their ideal doesn't deserve to live!!!!!!!
Given the speed we're addressing global heating, those who comment on returning to tribal societies at one with nature are more likely to get tribal like Mad Max as we or our progeny fight over diminishing resources. Bye Bye New Orleans, Boston, New York, London, etc...
Wow. Love this piece. I’d heard about this experience of “Avatar” for certain viewers, and for some reason it doesn’t completely surprise me. I can only speak of personal experience, but having spent many years mired in deep depression, I know that when someone is deeply troubled and/or vulnerable, anything can push them over the edge.

The way I see it, when we perceive the world as having to be perfect in order to be happy – as I did when I was depressed – it’s to counter a deep wound inside. Whatever has caused the wound, feelings of sadness and emptiness can sometimes run so deep that everything is perceived through this filter; and some movies and TV shows, instead of inspiring, can sometimes create more of a rift by contrast. (To be clear, it isn’t necessarily the film, or any film, itself – anything can trigger someone – but “Avatar” also happens to be a very commanding film with intense visuals and a strong message that appeals to universal longings.)

It has taken me a long time to believe that we do live in a beautiful world – but one that is also full of imperfections. It didn’t come from trying to make things perfect, but from acknowledging the pain and loss and sadness I felt inside, giving it voice, learning how to treat the “uglier” parts of myself with compassion and acceptance. Learning to accept the less-than-perfect in life doesn’t mean giving up in trying to make things better, but even that can only come with acknowledging life as it is. (to quote Dr. Phil – which I rarely do – “you’ve got to name it to claim it.”) If all we expect of life is that it should be gleaming and perfect, it is a set-up for disillusionment and disappointment.
I'm tending to agree with others who commented that the movie may be a huge draw for those who are already living in a vacuous fantasy land. I do not think our spiritual landscape is parched. Interesting that the one naturalist and spiritualist that this particular movie makes me think of, you did not mention in your blog: Thoreau - Maine Woods - great place to live the fantasy.

"I believe that there is a subtle magnetism in nature, which, if we unconsciously yield to it, will direct us aright." - Henry David Thoreau
Wow, what a devastating indictment of our culture and society! I enjoyed "Avatar" as much as everyone else - it's grand entertainment and a visual treat packed with strangely convincing eroticism. But killing yourself over it? The story is pure kitsch and cliché and I found nothing moving about it at all. In my opinion it's merely a one-size-fits-all vehicle to showcase new animation and 3-D technology. It's entirely derivative - one part Rousseau, two parts "The Spiral Dance," and three parts "Dances with Wolves" - which doesn't bother me a bit, since with a budget like that Cameron isn't going to start experimenting with offbeat narrative styles and I love a well-made escapist movie. But that's as far as it goes. ("2012" was great fun too, but I'm not going to start building myself an ark, or buy real estate in South Africa!) It really is like getting all religious about "Star Wars" and "The Force" - a clear sign that it's time to get a life and mind of your own!

But let's pretend the movie does depict a viable alternative world. Face it: we only encounter the good side of Pandora. Who knows what else goes on there? I thought it was common knowledge that every paradise has its serpent, but apparently such knowledge isn't so common after all, and more's the pity. At least "300" shows what happens to those citizens who don't fit in, i.e. they get hurled from a cliff as newborns. So anyone who believes in the "utopia" it presents needs more than just counselling - he/she needs a reality check, and maybe just a summer reading list.
Interesting that'd you mention Pink Floyd's The Wall, which is another deeply wrought film that lends itself to suicidal thoughts. However, this is precisely because of the intensity of feelings that the film evokes, from the isolation and abandonment of Pink's youth to his growing isolation and substance abuse that mirrors the deep societal changes of his adult life. In Avatar, you instead see a beautiful and wondrous utopia, but the message is the same -- the unbearable feeling of loss that touches on our basic humanity and how we choose to deal with life. In both films, the answer is simple -- tear down the walls that separate us, and recover and heal our inner selves so that we don't victimize others anew. That this can only be done with help and support of friends and family, and that this transcends species boundary (Pink's collapse as a human being begins with the rat he tried to love and take care of, but dies instead making him deathly ill), are entirely noble lessons to take away from the films. Some might think it's hokey, but as Elvis Costello said, what's so funny about peace, love, and understanding?
When I feel depressed I often see that it comes when some previously important expectation has finally been shown to be empty. My sense is that Avatar exposes the failure of humans to realize any trend toward mutual care. Our history and our times demonstrate conflict more than the ability to harmonize. The resolution is to question the original expectation. In this case we should ask if we really need to fix the world to make our being safe. Perhaps our demand that the world be made the platform of safety is short-sighted.
Very interesting. I wasn't aware the "pandora effect", but yes, I can see now that some people might be affected this way (and yes, I saw it in 3D Christmas Eve).

The person that you quoted as saying "I even contemplate suicide thinking that if I do it I will be rebirthed in a world similar to Pandora, and then everything is the same as in ‘Avatar" leaves me thinking that maybe some people shouldn't go out without an escort by their therapists. Great reason to commit suicide buddy!

Thanks to Judy B for putting this on the OS cover. Two months ago I doubt this would have seen the light of day beyond your "friends list".
Interesting post.
I think it's important to remember, though, that 1000 people feeling depressed after the movie hardly constitute a quorum. The film is about to make 2 billion dollars. I'm not great at math, and ticket prices vary (as much as $15 for the IMAX version) ... but that has to be ... millions and millions and millions of people, all over the world.

A thousand of them felt bummed out.

I'll take those numbers. I saw the film twice and felt exhilarated both times ... by the characters and the story and the headlong story-telling verve of the movie. The fact that I have no floating mountains or glowing plants where I live was pretty much irrelevant to me. I think most people feel the same way. We live in a world where one psycho's response to a film can close it down (remember the kid who attacked a subway token booth after seeing "Money Train"? Or the gang fights that broke out when "The Warriors" opened?) Isolated pathological responses to a film should not define our judgment of it. I think of that great Onion headline: "Stupid Dead Kid Ruins Fun Toy For Everyone". "Avatar" is way too much fun to be ruined by a handful of bi-polar cranks.
See it and judge for yourself.
The thing is, there are societies all over the world that live a somewhat-Avatar like life--a hunter gatherer society where you live by your strength and wits. Not all of them are happy or wealthy, but they all point to the fact that you can indeed make a life somewhat like that for yourself. It is possible to move off the grid and live off what you grow and hunt--I mostly grew up that way in northern Michigan. You can also find a new spiritual center that is focused on community, and nature. I hope these people start to realize that there are options in how you live your life.
I saw the I-Max version again today, specifically to take a closer look at the technical aspects. (I'm a 3D nut.) I was struck by the immersive visual experience created by the incredible detail rendered in digital 3D. What an amazing feat of imagination on the part of Jim Cameron and his many collaborators.

I think those who fully suspend disbelief in addition to using their right brain to assemble the illusions (as opposed to the left brain perception which stresses story over experience) will feel let down when comparing actual reality with the virtual reality they experienced in the theater.

This film is a masterpiece of story-telling, even if some find the story itself wanting. The bar to be cleared by Hollywood filmmakers has been raised dramatically. Not only is Avatar now the highest grossing film in history, it's poised to bring in a billion or two more. And the level of craftsmanship in film making sets new standards in digital effects, editing, design, sound and direction.

All of these elements can easily seduce those of us wearied by the accumulating layers of crap which defines the world today into an alternate reality. But would you really want to live in a world with prehistorically vicious beasts and not a shelter in sight. If it never rains on Pandora, where to all those waterfalls come from?

Still, I'm ready to go back to Pandora but only with popcorn included.
I'm intrigued by the possibility that the 3-D immersive quality of Avatar is what makes viewers think they're living it. Very, very interesting, and also disturbing, considering that there is a beautiful world right here on Planet Earth. It's flawed, deeply flawed, but it is ours, and in some ways the flaws are what I love about it--far more than any fictionalized utopia like Pandora. Rated.
I was just about to write the following: "In more than 30 years of crisis intervention work with addicts, alcoholics, and suicidal personalities, I've never personally encountered a single case of someone committing suicide because of a depressing movie. There are always pre-existing, underlying conditions that predispose people to suicide....and to think that a movie might trigger them is sheer lunacy."

Then I read Tomreedtoon's comment and decided not to bother.
More to the point, there is nothing intrinsically depressing about the depiction of the Na'vi 's world or the juxtaposition of our world to theirs. The superficial representation of interconnectedness doesn't delve into the truly devastating implications of living so intimately tied to a natural world controlled by a collective consciousness. The net effects of experiments that have been conducted with group thinking usually degenerate into psychotic episodes specifically because of the loss of identity.

More to the point, a thousand people calling a hot line out of the millions who have seen the film is a LOWER than average incidence of suicidal ideation from that expected from any sample population of the same size. On average, one percent of the population is considering suicide at any one time, so a thousand callers is a order of magnitude less than anticipated.

Another important point is that the degree of experiential saturation - color, sound, 3d effects - create an absorbing event that constitutes an altered state of consciousness - a trance state. With some people, and especially those who already have underlying emotional issues, the sudden termination of the trance state creates a disoriented state mental state that can trigger depressive episodes.

Hypnotherapists use this technique to break rapport, an important step in certain therapeutic processes. There's nothing magical or spiritual about it.
I haven't seen the movie but I very much enjoyed the post. Interesting and well-written.

I see a lot of comments here, but not many ratings. Remember folks, if you like the post don't forget to rate.
I've been ignoring an internal debate about whether or not to go see this film, but now I am curious. Thank you for bringing this situation to my attention...I think.
or the depression could be because it's such a lame, sucky film.
It really does not seem responsible to me to present such a broad claim without any real evidence. What is the "official Avatar forum"? The official website doesn't seem to have a forum. The quotation constitutes evidence, but it is unsourced. You can't just wave your hands and airily say "many people." If you really think this is about life and death, you have to be serious enough to ground your claim.
I enjoyed Avatar hugely. But I wasn't really happy with its cliched portrayal of Earth folk as greedy and completely insensitive to life forms on another planet.

For a moviegoer who can't see through this worn-out premise, the movie would be quite depressing indeed: Earth culture and people are "bad." All the "good" people are on Pandora.

Well . . . there's no such thing as Pandora or Pandorans. Just us pretty good Earthlings, doing our best.
I found the movie very artificial..both on visuals and emotions. I was kinda waiting for the movie to finish so that i can come and read some quality posts on OS :)
I'm shocked and surprised that people are apparently depressed by seeing Avatar. I was uplifted by the artistry of the techniques, and amazed at how the movie puts you in a "suspended state of disbelief" about these fantastic beings and the nature that is just a little more connected than ours. It isn't religion, it is art. You go to live in this world, suffer with its people, and see how their world is analogous to ours. I'm sad to learn that people apparently couldn't understand the way this work of commercial -- but very honest -- work of art can be used by the soul. You were never intended to take it literally.
I want to comment on a pretty constant refrain I hear in discussions of the movie's theme, that it is cliched. Well, excuse me, but duh. Yes, art is "cliche." Let me call it "archetype." Yes, this is a drama about the instrumental world of our civilization in the form of a mining company and its military arm meeting a world of nature. This is one of the essential stories of human kind. If you spot the same theme in a lot of American fiction, I refer you to the criticism of Leslie Fiedler, a fine man whose reputation will return eventually. I refer you to that cliche of American history, the Black Hills of South Dakota, and our treaty with the Lakota. And the large statues of our presidents now carved out of these sacred hills. I refer you to Huck and Tom. I refer you to the Green Zone, and the new redskins of Baghdad. Cliched enough for you?

I think that's what art does, largely. It confronts us with the main archetypes of our time. If that makes you resent the portrait of the private army wreaking destruction on foreign beings, well...

And can nobody else on this theological forum spot the fact that the white guy who becomes a Na'vi actually fulfills ancient prophecy, willingly dies and is reborn? That every religion in the world has a realm of the dead spirits whom we honor and communicate with? Anyone?
Somewhere a little past halfway through Avatar, after crying randomly at non-key points for no specific reason, and removing my glasses to snap back into the reality of the theatre, I laughed to myself and thought "too bad he isn't around to see it -- this is the Infinite Jest."

Maybe I wasn't too far off the mark.

I loved it. If anything, it kind of got me fired up. It was worth the $14. Id hate to think I had to pay admission to a run of suicidal thoughts.

If the real world blows, that take some of the "whatever" you got from the movie and manifest a tiny bit of it for yourself as a psychic oasis.

I also find the utopian framing a bit off: In a complete and total paradise you wouldn't find yourself running in horror as your loved ones died and your sacred home burned.

In both the visual enjoyment of Pandora and your relationship to it afterwards, it's about perspective.
@Dave - how pithy...but, but it's a box office smash...
"And we also recall, somewhere in our DNA memory, that there is synergy between the creatures of the planet."

Yes, it is a great movie to recall inside of what is possible, which to me is more about hope, not despair. No one ever promised it wouldn't be work.

Thanks Carole.
I intuited that I should not see this film.

You see I read C.S.Lewis' "The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe" about 50 times as a child. (My parents did not know there were more than one 'Narnia' book. Alas)

I've never felt anything but longing for Narnia ever since. Glad I did not go to 'Avatar' with my extended family. I might forget Narnia and long for Pandora.

Folks, half the population in USA or thereabouts are on anti-depressants, have a wee bit of compassion. We many are suffering souls and utopian dreams can be deadly.

I'm actually happy with my internalized Narnia. After all, it's always there--just on the other side of a wardrobe in a depressing house.
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Hi folks -- an addendum -- remember that this is not referring only to Americans. This is occurring worldwide, including Denmark, recently titled the 'happiest place on earth.' The 1000+ people mentioned refers only to one thread in one discussion on one site. There are myriad sites and discussions on this topic.

The point is, an inspiring dream is just that -- and, as Amy said so well, "we do live in a beautiful world – but one that is also full of imperfections." Therein lies much of its beauty.
I have not seen this movie. I have had friends and relatives urge me to do so. I probably will see it, just so I can quit listening to so many reasons why I should. Now, I am well aware of how affecting a great piece of art (music, painting, poem or novel) can be. I am also aware of how many fragile people inhabit our world and how few resources there are for emotional or psychological help (well, good resources) there are. But I am struck with a thought that I cannot shake. Isn't this just a movie? What does it say about how we are handling the problems of this world if so many could be so stressed over a movie? Now if they were forced to watch Fox News, I could understand the suicidal thoughts.
Hi All - here is a comment I received in a private email from Paul Sullivan of veteransforcommonsense.org (reprinted with permission) :

"As a disabled combat veteran working at a non-profit, I work with other veterans every day, including suicidal veterans.

I found the film highly inspirational, even with the dark themes of
political betrayal, personal betrayal, environmental devastation, and even the human's corporate / military genocide of the Na'vi. After nearly 20 years of war in Iraq, the toll on our nation's emotions and economy are simply devastating, with 480,000 U.S. casualties, and a financial cost in the trillions of dollars. Iraq still lays in ruins under our brutal occupation, with one million dead and five million internal and international refugees, a lack of water, electricity, sewers, garbage collection, jobs, and legitimate domestic government.

May I suggest that, as a public service, you include the national suicide prevention hotline with your essay: (800) 273-TALK [veterans press 1]."
One of the commentors spoke of a time "when people lived simply in tribes and communed with and respected nature".

When was that exactly? I must have missed that day in history class. Not intending to be mean, but come on... we are beasts. If we ever transcend our beastly nature, I would be surprised (not that I should live so long).
It seems likely that people who can get so wrapped up in the natural fantasy world of a movie but most likely are not very well connected to the very real natural wonders we still have left on Earth.
It reminds me of the tourists who will stare in wonder at the animatronic deer, beavers, bears and waterfalls at a local amusement park... but have no interest in actually going out into the nearby national park to see the real thing.
Much too much disconnect with the real world going on.
I feel old and I don't know whether to laugh or cry. I may be of the same generation as you and I spent five years at Cooper Union, which is just a short walk from NYU, in about the same time period as you. I was one of those nerdy engineering students, but not so nerdy as to not realize what was going on then and feel the angst of my generation.

But, Avatar is a piece of fiction god d*** it! And no matter how nicely packaged there are a lot of holes in James Cameron's plot. There are many films that did it much more for me than Avatar. Some of them are in black and white with little to no special effects. Remember plot, character development and dialog?

I can think of "All Quiet on the Western Front," and then there's the one where the corrupt French generals keep sending the infantrymen (one of them was Kirk Douglas) against the impregnable fortress until they mutiny. That was Hollywood at its best.

Still its encouraging to see that the yonger generations (it makes me feel so old to use that phrase) can still wish for a Pandora. Maybe they will find it on the other side of the abyss that we seem headed for, or in an alternate universe or maybe thats what nirvana feels like. Maybe my four year old granddaughter will find it.
Upstate -- I don't think we're the same generation -- but I certainly know Cooper Union.

As an NYU student, we used to spin the Astor Place cube on New Year's Eve. One year it turned up missing altogether, a renowned delicious prank, and was later returned. Ah... those were the days... Nirvana enough for me!

For those of you wondering, see it here:
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I think many here are missing the point. The movie was indeed simplistic in plot and character (though I wonder where this massive contingent of North American moviegoers who are satisfied with nothing less than Hamlet came from all of a sudden?) but those who complain that it's merely a remake of "Dances With Wolves" or "FernGully" would do well to remember that those films as well fit into a larger tradition stretching back to Walden and older. The romanticisation of nature and our relationship with it is a theme that speaks to us best in black and white--I myself was nearly overcome with the urge to pummel the CEO of a large corporation with the body of a mercenary--there are no shades of grey here.

Contrast this with the world we live in where every attempt to address even some of the issues highlighted in the film are blocked by competing and (often clearly) malicious interests. Nearly 50 years after "Silent Spring" and decades' worth of research documenting habitat erosion and the global extinction, we still can't even admit there's troubling evidence of climate change without energy company shills and conspiracy nuts who distrust anything said by anyone with a doctorate hacking into emails and disseminating them without context as evidence of nefarious activity. Yet it's corporations who the SCOTUS feels need more protection and more rights.

It's not hard to see why so many people would prefer a world where the bad, mechanical bodyguard of StripMine Corp. gets his comeuppance with a well-placed feathered arrow, no matter how virtual.

Unfortunately, there are fewer and fewer Walden Ponds for modern-day Thoreaus to retreat to. I only hope suicide hotlines are suitable replacements.
Growing up I subscribed to the Science Fiction Book of the Month Club. Sounds dorky, but it was really great.

There were many stories which portrayed worlds I wanted to live on. They were all 3D in my mind, and much more subtle and nuanced than a movie can be.

But suicide? Come on, I'm sure that when I walk down the street many people contemplate suicide because they aren't as cool, or good looking as me. That is no excuse. All that is needed it to cast aside all inner doubt and become like me - a legend in my own mind.

Movies are fake. Death is real. Movies are cheap. Death is way to costly. Besides, this is Cameron's first shot at creating his own perfect world. Wait for the next one it may even be better.

But $6 popcorn does inspire fantasies of early death. But that's not sick, just common sense rearing its ugly head.
I'd like to see the source for your assertion that there is some kind of new Avatar suicide hotline, or that there is a significant number of people thinking of suicide because of Avatar.
It began with a report on CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Movies/01/11/avatar.movie.blues/index.html

Also here:

http://www.examiner.com/x-6732-SF-Health-and-Beauty-Examiner~y2010m1d12-Avatar-film-causing-depression-and-suicidal-thoughts

You can also type the words 'avatar depression' in your Bing or Google search, and see the results.
This is one of the finest posts I've read on Open Salon.

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WTF? Pandora is the name of a mythical woman who literally opened up a world of hurt, as in Pandora's Box. The proper name for a world in which all is perfect or damn close to it (the subject of a novel by Thomas More) is "Utopia". Oh, and utopia is a Latin word which means "noplace". Think about it.

I even contemplate suicide thinking that if I do it I will be rebirthed in a world similar to Pandora, and then everything is the same as in ‘Avatar.’”

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This scary remark reminds me of an old episode of Twilight Zone from the mid-1960s, A Stop at Willoughby.. This guy, whose life isn't going so well, has a recurring dream during his evening train commute about this wonderful, Utopian town called Willoughby. One day he has this dream while he's riding on the train. He sleepwalks off the speeding train, falls down an embankment and dies. His body is picked up by a hearse which, when its rear door is closed, reveals the name "Willoughby & Son Funeral Home.".

Utopian fantasies only have value in the long run if they can be used to set the stage for attainable social change. The anti-slavery abolitionists and labor unionists of the 19th century were Utopians, but they also had a firm grip on reality and what it would take to move toward a better world in the real world.
I didn't see Avatar yet, because I'm not a fan of this type of movies. I heard a lot of good things about this movie, by it's special effects, but still I'm not so convinced to watch it. Maybe I just need to hear more opinions. Cazare Bran
Beautifully written

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