The other night I was having margaritas at a Mexican restaurant in Malibu with my girlfriends Stacy and Wendy. While we were chatting over a basket of tortilla chips and a bowl of guacamole, I was relating the story of how my husband, Dave, called me a cuntasaurus the other night. Wendy, who had brought her 4 year old Trevor with her, clucked at me rather loudly and tossed her head in Trevor's direction. Thusly chastised, Stacey and I continued our conversation using the euphemism "The C Word". Now I'm not one to be giving parenting advice, and I do my best to respect my friends' choices about to what their children should and shouldn't be exposed. However, when it comes to the subject of the art of learning the English language , I have some pretty strong opinions.
When we are children we are told these words are rude and offensive. That adults shouldn't say them in front of us and that if they do, by accident of course, we shouldn't repeat them. Thus these words become magical. Verbal talismans and weapons that we can lob at each other when our parents aren't looking. My sisters have this "game" they play with their kids to teach them that there is a penalty for using swear words. When any of the adults in the house swear, they put a quarter in a "Swear Jar" as a punishment. The first time the kids tried to charge me for swearing I called bullshit, and told them they should pay me a dollar a word to teach them how to speak English properly.
I am a huge proponent of the word fuck. I love this word. It is versatile, powerful, comedic, and charming when used properly. My girlfriend Carol, who is quick to call me a whore (another word I love) when I snark in her general direction, can wield the term "mother fucker" like a samurai warrior or a burlesque fan dancer depending upon the situation. I've striven over the years to emulate the mellifluous way in which she utters this sacred phrase, but alas I'm an amateur.
My friend Anne randomly sends me text messages in which she calls me a variety of colourful names. My favourite is "Thunder Cunt", which is what Dave was trying to think of when he laughingly called me a "cuntasaurus" the other night. She also likes to call me a "skanky ho" and a "beyotch" amongst other things. I like to tell her that her Southern drawl makes her sound like a sanctimonious cunt. We call each other these names because we genuinely like each other. We both also happen to like exploring the flexibility of the English language. Like any skill, you need to keep in shape.
When, a few weeks back, the President commented that he wanted to know "whose ass to kick" over the BP clusterfuck (another awesome word by the by), the news and the country went ballistic. Seriously? Ass? At least the FCC didn't start talkin' fines like it did when Jane Fonda said "fuck" on the Today show earlier in the year. What was the most pathetic thing about that, was that every news outlet in the country wanted to talk about it, but since they couldn't repeat the phrase, they had to use the ridiculously childish term "F-bomb." Really? What grade is our country in? Don't get me started on how immature we really are compared to our European cousins. For the most part they say what they please on TV and aren't too afraid to show a little T 'n' A on the telly.
It's actually my opinion, and a fairly learned one at that as I do have a Masters in Social Psychology, that when we wish to hurl insults or draw blood in another person using words alone, we don't generally use profanity to accomplish this. The rudest and cruelest insult I've ever been dealt didn't carry a single "foul" word. As any woman who has ever been 20 or more pounds overweight can tell you, the meanest thing you can say to her is "You have such a pretty face." The first time someone took a swipe at me with that barbed phrase it was like being sucker punched in the gut. If you were to call me a "fuckin' fat bitch", you'd only make me smile.
Now that I am older, another one of my favourite barely veiled insults is when someone decides to pass around old photos of you online or at a party. Invariably one of the catty women whose ass you should have kicked in high school chimes into the conversation with "Oh! Look at you. Look how young you look!" Really? You wanna go there with me bitch? You wanna cast the first hag comment? People who Botox shouldn't cast aspersions. That's always my first thought.
Like I said, I'm not one to be giving parenting advice. However, I will, given a few unsupervised moments, teach your children every word they will need to know to survive life's playground. In case it wasn't clear from the onset folks, I come with a PG-13 rating, an extensive vocabulary, a bad attitude, and can, and will, cut you to the quick with a well placed quip. And if you get in my face, trust me, I'll cut-a-bitch and never cuss once in the process.

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wield the term "mother fucker" like a samurai warrior or a burlesque fan dancer depending upon the situation
...Teach your children well......
I curse a lot among adults and never among children. That is my only quibble with this, it is their job, decision, and right to raise their kid by their standards. It may make them keep their kids away from you if you can't respect it.
That may be your goal!
I say that we should use all the words and that if words make you cry, you shouldn't speak.
But kids get kicked out of class for cussing these days and that makes parents have to go get them....so don't be a fucking asshole!
Oh, and fuck off, Surly. There's nothing worse than a self-righteous thundercunt.
2) You don't get bonus parenting points--good for free set of steak knives!--if your toddler up and uses the word "fuck" or "cunt" or "son of a bitch" in public. And while they easily pick up those words, when it comes to teaching them what is and is not appropriate, it requires a certain level of intellectual awareness that the vast majority of toddlers do not possess. So unless one doesn't mind being ostracized from "polite society," it is generally preferable to limit exposure to those words until a wee bit later in life. (My personal experience is that around 10 or 11 they "get it," but I'm sure that varies.)
Just another data point for you, your fucking psychobabble-spewing, bullshit rationalizing cunt.
Cuntasaurus is pretty bad. But in order to understand this, the kid has to understand irony. That is a developmental threshold.
Motherfucker? Have you stopped to think what makes that obscene? It is complex. Besides the fucking part (complex enough) we have to get into incest, power, humiliation, possibly rape, and you may as well toss in man-on-woman violence in general. There is a developmental threshold for understanding that word.
We tell our kids that these words are rude and offensive because, after all, they are rude and offensive. Before a certain point, they are not ready for the crushing power of their meaning. For now, it is good enough that the words are b-a-d.
But then, you are surly, so it suits you. ;)
How is Anne the Queen of Mean? The Thundercunt of middle America? Seems the fuckmuppets have ran her off of OS.
Na, she like you, has thick skin.. along with charm, grace, and personality to spare.
Your avatar has such a pretty face surly. Fat ass! Luv ya!!!
And then at the very peak of the Oregon coast mountain range, Dan had a flat tire. We pulled off to the side. Dan stood beside his wounded bike, looked to the left, looked to the right, looked above, and with rain water running off of him pronounced "this is fucked."
You see, it was fucked, and no euphemism or clever phrase could have captured the moment.
But to use the f-bomb too often trivializes it, and drains it of its power. If everything is fucked, it doesn't mean anything, and the person who wears out the word just ends up sounding like Al Pacino in the movie Scarface.
Why shelter our children from descriptive language that is commonly used by all, or most? Do we suppose that they should not be exposed to FUCK or MOTHERFUCKER or THUNDERCUNT or CUNTASUARUS until they are old enough to vote or "kill for their cuntry?" To this I say BULLSHIT!
My son would be a match for Stellaa's daughter I dare say.
But really, you should have your own talk show! I would so tune in for that to listen to all the self-righteous mothers calling in wanting to "protect" their dear one's ears but you reply, "Thundercunt says what?"
Heard all of of them leveled at me and friends.
My friend from Minn and I like to bust each other's balls with witting, sometimes foul inventions....his favorite was Jissgod.
What's the nastiest thing you can say about a man? He hasn't a friend in the world.
Stating the obvious: the words no child should ever learn at anyone's knee are the truly abhorrent hate labels many of those motherfucking sanctimonious dickwads who decry "the f-word" probably use without a second thought.
When her son was little a friend of mine was living in South Florida, an area notorious for the terrible traffic and awful drivers. The only way to cope is turn the air blue and so she often did. Her mother was visiting and they were all on their way to Miami when a driver cut her off and forced her to brake suddenly, at which point her angelic three year old started waving his fists wildly yelling "you goddamned motherfucker!" Needless to say, Grandma was a bit shocked.
There's an enormous gulf betw the kinds of people who use Fuck in all its humor, splendor, and nastiness from those who will use the other. rated.
fuckin' rated.
Bravo.
"Oooh Mom. I heard what you said."
"What did I say?"
"You called that woman a fucking idiot."
"I did not. I called her an idiot."
"Moooo-em. EVERY time you call someone an idiot, you call them a fucking idiot."
Swearing in front of kids is no big deal. I'm with you Surly. Fuck people who think language in front of children should be pristine.
-R-
This after I've gone to such trouble to avoid cursing around her.
So where did she hear this? If she had said fuck or shit, I would think maybe she heard it through my bedroom door when I thought she was asleep (two of my favorites). But GD has not passed my lips maybe never. I just don't like that one.
Though I'm pretty liberal-minded and can agree with you to an extent, kids have to go to school and mix with the general public. If they curse at school, parents get called by irritated teachers. If they curse among friends, other parents won't appreciate the corrupting influence.
The reality is we all have to live with the judgement of others. I don't want people thinking I'm raising a little foul-mouthed urchin. It would reflect poorly on me and my parenting. I admit it. I still care what other people think.
iamsurly, you are always a good read...rated!
The most hurtful insult I've ever recieved was when a dear friend of mine, a very fine person of the gay variety called me a "cow." (He called me a "breeder" once also, but "cow" was worse.)y
I posted something last year asking for insults, and boy-o-boy did you fine people hand me a bag of fun, and often very nasty, shit.
Thanks for sharing, dickwad.
"Be quiet."
I want to slap those precious assholes. (The parents, of course!)
We said everyone together - they sound even funnier in a seven-year-old voice. Then I said, most adults do not want to hear you saying these words, they will think you are not polite, so please do not embarrass me, often.
Take away the untouchable taboo, they are just another beautiful word just waiting for timely placement.
http://open.salon.com/blog/floyd_elliot/2009/07/08/the_ineffable_power_of_fuck
By the way, pretty face, Trig Palin included a link to your post. (Click on "limpdicked.")
I've got people coming over.
Love your shoes.
I think swearing is like sex education, something I'd rather my kid learned at home than at school, because I want to be sure they get it right and don't fuck it up.
And if you want to water the front lawn naked and people don't like it, well you can educate them on both counts too.
if you have olive oil, garlic and anchovies you can heat them up in a little pot then chop up the veggies and dip them in the warm garlic/anchovie infused oil, after the veggies are done traditionally pieces of bread are used to sop up any remaining goodies, it's delish
Also some fresh lemon-juice, maybe.
Thanks Ablonde.
Thanks Fuckface, and Dave ...
if you have olive oil, garlic and anchovies you can heat them up in a little pot then chop up the veggies and dip them in the warm garlic/anchovie infused oil, after the veggies are done traditionally pieces of bread are used to sop up any remaining goodies, it's delish
Also some fresh lemon-juice, maybe.
Thanks Ablonde.
Thanks Fuckface, and Dave ... ( love you Dave.)
This is going to go twice - it's one of those jammed up nights.
Do the right thing, surly.
You're my kinda girl, asshole!
It's the one magical word.
range. Perhaps you don't realize how hostile that sort of clothing looks. Keep it to yourselves and your friends--it's not appropriate in public.
Some of us are NOT wealthy and MUST exercise a judicious self-restraint. As a teacher who models under my own name, I NEVER wear vulgar patterns or whorish colors. I want to keep my job, thank you! I think it's reasonable to teach my children that a similar forbearance will be a help to them, as well.
I'm amazed at the level of consensus you're receiving here. Geez, people, grow up and get a grey scale. Honestly, I think we middle-aged and older folks are just trying way too hard to look as "cool" [read "immature"] as our teenagers.
Nothing personal, surly--but I don't think you recognize there are good reasons for exercising some self-discipline in the way we choose to dress, and no reasons at all for denigrating those who do so.
Step up and address those things, the things that really hurt, not the words that are freeing to those of us that use them. You can choose to ignore them, much like none of us can or should choose to ignore real pain. Poverty, homelessness, and hunger come to mind.
Real problems, verses the superficial "pain" of simple words. My kids grew up to be strong and healthy and happy and heard the word "fuck" often........and likely use them.
Just a thought......
Cuntasaurus, now that's a dinosaur with balls!
Mind you, it makes me wonder just how many posts after this will have the tag "cuntasaurus". -R for the many versatile uses of the glorious word, fuck.
Rated.
Saquirity! Saquirity!!!
I agree 100% with the real insult. Having always been thin, I became very overweight in a relatively short time span, and I took it off with Weightwatchers. (It worked great, by the way). A few years later the weight began to creep on.
So I went to the gym and back to WW. Now there are good leaders and bad. Instead of losing the normal couple lbs in water the first week, gained 4 lbs (and no, you don't gain more than 4 lbs in muscle your first three days at the gym).
Frustrated, I went to the leader after the meeting. She, the utterly stupid bitch, said "Oh, but you have such a pretty face!"
So fucking demeaning. Like I'm some dumb fat clueless cow.
I've been called "cunt" and "fucking bitch" by strangers like other drivers (both the same day! and never again) and that didn't piss me off as much as "But you have such a pretty face".
I watch my tongue around children and especially the eldery. Out of respect. What a concept.
"Fuck. Her."
I patched it up with that Cuntasaurus, and now we have an understanding.
Thanks.
Children? Yep, they already have heard this stuff, and either they understand what it means or they don't. If they don't, no harm, no foul. If they do, then they've already also picked up the context as well as some social aclimatization, and know which of their friends are from that strata prone to cerebral hemorhage upon hearing certain "magical" words. We could move on to blasphemey, but Jesus fucking Christ, hasn't the point been made? I fucking think so.
Loved this. Rated. Also saved as a reference source when I've run out of euphemisms over in East Bumfuck Maryland and just really need to tell someone: "Seems like I just fucked myself."
Oh, and of course, the absolutely most painful things are those not said, those passive, selective "compliments." Fuck those and the people who use them and the horses they rode in on.
Are we done?
Still, I'm totally with you on the fascination the power of these words hold. Much of it comes from the tension between the id and the editor within us. We get a thrill getting the dirty words past our personal censors. Remove the editor and you remove the tension -- and alas, these words lose their juice. There goes the thrill. I mean, seriously -- can you imagine if you cooked everything with saffron?
As to what children should or shouldn't be taught -- I have no earthly idea -- but I'm reasonably assured that whatever we teach them, they will respond in unpredictable fashion. Rated "P" for positively provocative. Thanks for that.
Great post and great advice to parents.
But, regardless of my "not pretty face" or other comments, the word c**t was a marker. I don't like the word and I know it is just semantics. However, grace and graciousness is the game this "not very pretty" face/human wants to play
Curse words are fun. An examined life could offer more.
"politically correct".
And, you can tell who subscribes to that uselss fuckwad of bullshit by the goddamn weenies and other clitless soccertypes who have commented negatively about a wonderful blog by one of my favorite lickable labia endowed pussies.
BTW-For an excellent disertation on FUCK and FUCKING,
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I've never bought into the whole bad word thing. Someone, somewhere, who is long since dead, decided to pick certain words to be offended by. Now that's just dumb so don't ask me to buy into it. If you don't like the way I talk, fucking leave.
And that whole 'must have a small vocabulary' thing is really bullshit. Besides, it's not the size of your vocabulary... oh, never mind.
BTW, Cindy, you have the most appropriate avatar on OS.
What if u are not a biquitous?
What do u say to those who ask, "Are ubiquitous"?