Being a Democrat in small-town Alabama is lonely business. I am pretty sure I am the only person county-wide with an Obama/Biden bumper sticker on my car. Working in law enforcement, a traditionally conservative lot, I am literally surrounded by Republicans. I've never attended one of the local Democrat group meetings, but I expect the attendance is sparse. During the last local election, widespread anti-Democrat, anti-Obama sentiment resulted in many citizens voting a straight Republican ticket. "Liberal" is practically profanity in this area, and being branded as such makes you about as welcome as an ex-spouse at a wedding.
Many of the people I know and love are conservative, and I think they still love me, despite my left-leaning views. I have always been "unique" (read: weird) and most people who know me know that I am bipolar, and I think some of them probably attribute my perceived errant thinking to mental illness. "Bless her heart, " they think. "God love her, she can't help it." Most are fairly tolerant, though some are probably secretly praying for my mortal soul, because in addition to being politically conservative, the majority here consider themselves Christian, and for them political liberalism is the antithesis of Christianity. A few have insinuated or just proclaimed outright that one cannot be a liberal and a Christian. I beg to differ.
Not all Republicans are Christians, and not all Christians are Republican, but the "religious right" have achieved dominance in GOP politics, mainly due to moral issues they have transformed into political issues, specifically abortion and homosexuality. I don't want to generalize; as I said, many that I know and love are conservative, and good people though none of us are perfect. But some on the far right seem like modern-day Pharisees to me, with their self-righteousness and hypocrisy and judgmental ways. They also tend to overlook the poor and feel lack of affordable healthcare is a personal problem. Because I align myself with the left politically, people on both sides assume they understand my views. But I think my actual opinions would surprise both sides and possibly satisfy neither. In the eyes of many, I am in a grey area politically and spiritually.
Here in Alabama, I vote Democrat, therefore I am liberal. But how would my views match up with liberals around the country? I feel certain that in some circles I would be considered not liberal enough. After all, I still believe the death penalty can be appropriate in some cases, though it is an ethical dilemma I have struggled with for years. I am deeply concerned about the number of inmates on death row who have been exonerated due to DNA evidence unavailable at the time of their trial and wonder how many innocent people have been put to death. Also, the methods used are questionable to say the least. The electric chair and gas chamber are barbaric, and from what I've read, lethal injection is not far from it, certainly not as gentle and painless as it appears. People often say, "What if it was your loved one that was murdered? Wouldn't you want justice?" Yes, I would. I would want them dead, and I would want to be the one to do it. But that is an emotional response, not a rational, logical one. The nagging question in my mind is, does the state have the right to take a human life? I'm not convinced. "An eye for an eye", the Bible says. But Jesus preached mercy and forgiveness.
Back to the hot button topics of abortion and homosexuality, these are issues that I believe are personal and moral and should remain private. When I am asked if I am pro-life or pro-choice, I say "Both". Very few people, if any, are literally pro-abortion, though some on the right consider pro-choice synonymous with promoting abortion. I do not personally believe in abortion. I can't imagine any circumstance under which I would have one, and I would never counsel anyone else to have one. I do believe that life begins at conception. I do not support late-term abortions. But I support a woman's right to choose, because I believe no one else, certainly not any man, deserves the right to make that decision. No one else has to carry the child to term or deliver it, and until the baby is viable outside the womb, it is a part of the woman's body.
As a Christian, I believe that the decision to have or not have a baby is a private, moral issue between the woman and God. Making abortion illegal will not stop it; it will just make it more dangerous for women and babies. The best way to reduce the number of abortions being performed is to improve sex education in schools and promote adoption. Ironically, many pro-lifers oppose sex education in schools, as if keeping young people ignorant will keep them from being sexually active. Almost nothing will prevent most young people from being sexually active. Moral education should be tempered with reality. Abstinence outside of marriage is admirable, but a high ideal to live up to when you're young and your hormones are raging. I vote we teach kids "self-control or birth-control". Also interesting to note is the tendency of conservatives to support the death penalty and war. Terminating a fetus that cannot survive outside the womb is seen as a grave sin that should be a crime, but killing people who may or may not be guilty of crime and people who are innocent citizens of a government we disagree with is considered acceptable.
As for the issue of homosexuality, my views are even more complicated. I don't consider myself a gay rights advocate, but I don't consider myself and opponent of them, either. As a Christian, I am well aware what the Bible has to say about homosexuality. It is expressly condemned as sin. But so are many other things that are more socially acceptable. Lying is a sin. Anyone who claims to never lie is automatically suspect to me. Jesus said "do not worry". Who among us never worries about anything? "Do not judge", He said. That one seems to be overlooked quite a bit in our society. Again, I think a person's sexual orientation is a personal issue, not a political one. Christians have every right to believe in the Bible as God's Word and acknowledge sin in their own lives and in others'. But they do not have the right to judge, persecute or discriminate against those they perceive as "sinners". I know people that call themselves Christians that absolutely despise gay people. There is nothing Christian about hate. Jesus preached LOVE, always, to love your neighbor as yourself, and that includes gays and lesbians. "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). We are all sinners, and deserve condemnation, but we are granted reconcilliation with God through Jesus Christ.
Are gay people harming you in any way? No? Then let them be. God will judge us all one day, and I for one have plenty to answer for in my own life without minding other people's business, poking my nose into their bedrooms. The question at the heart of the issue is whether or not people choose to be gay. To that I say, who would willingly choose a life of persecution and intolerance? No one I know. Most of us can look back and remember kids we knew in school who were "different" long before puberty, long before they knew what sex was, and then later came out as gay. Clearly, for them it was not a conscious choice. There may be some people who choose to become intimate with a same sex partner, but I believe this is the exception to the rule. For those who think homosexuality is a choice, I pose this question: When did you decide to be straight? You didn't. You just were what you were and you are what you are today. But then, why would God create a person to be gay and then call it a sin? I don't have an answer for that. I don't have an answer for many things concerning God, and probably never will in this lifetime. I'm not calling for Christians to reject the teachings of the Bible. I am calling for tolerance. I am calling for all to focus on their own lives and stop trying to bind their moral beliefs on others. As for the question of gay marriage, I say, by all means, why not allow them to suffer the same as heterosexuals? (Visualize me smirking here.)
So the question remains: can I be a Christian and a liberal? I suppose it depends on your definition of each, and those are highly debatable. If I'm a good Christian, do I forfeit my right to be left of center on the political continuum? If I am a true liberal, am I a bad Christian? What would Jesus do? Would he be a Democrat, or a Republican? I would like to point out that Jesus helped the poor, befriended outcasts and "sinners" and healed the sick for free. But somehow, I suspect my Lord would likely rise above the fray and be an Independent.


Salon.com
Comments
r.
Then add the kicker-tell the person that if Jesus died for my sins, then I'm off the hook. I can do whatever I want. Thanks Jesus!
Christ! I'm sick of Christians.
I think "self-control or birth-control" is a great motto for a pro-life pro-choice stance. I feel the same.
I live in Georgia now so I know what you mean about being surrounded by the indoctrinated ones. We bring balance to the Force.
I like being Liberal. I always explain that Liberal and Liberty come from the word Liber meaning book, which defines a focus on established writing also called scripture as a guide for gaining a broader view of the world than my own senses can contrive through reading and contemplation.
My response to conservatives (and thank god people in my part of the world are mostly casual Christians if that) about homosexuality is "Judge not lest ye be judged". About social programs, Jesus talked about feeding the poor and giving up all your riches. Show me a passage about *prosperity christianity*. And there's that render-unto-Caesar thing.
I simply do not understand these religious right people who claim to read the bible (the gospels are what count, not the Old Testament, and not Paul - what JESUS said) and spout the kind of mean stuff they do.
....of course, I'm not a Christian and don't give a damn what the bible says... Just on the grounds of innate compassion, recognition of one's own potential or real needs, and being able to look oneself in the mirror: This in my, haha, book produces "liberal" views.
And, as Surazeus points out, liberal and liberty come from the same thinking. Conservatives love to blather about liberty when they mean coercion. 1984, where art thou...
It's too bad I don't hear people asking, "Can I be a conservative and a Christian?", because that's something that needs a lot of examination. And I think the answer to that question is a resounding "no".
There's a quote from a character in a Woody Allen movie: "If Jesus could come back and see what is being done in his name, he would never stop throwing up."
And I write this as someone who lives in the so-called buckle of the bible belt. Good luck to you.
I am a Christian..and identify with a more liberal agenda and yes..the democrats. I don't see them as being mutually exclusive.
I feel bad that one of your commenters is "sick of Christians." I know many can be over the top. I am hoping she meant "some" Christians....but if not...well....add me to that list I guess.
There was a time in American history when many Evangelicals and Catholics were on the left. What happened? The Cold War. It pushed Christianity into the arms of big business. Business feared communism because it wanted to eliminate aristocracy and create a classless society. Christian clergy feared communism because of its strident atheism.
Now that the Cold War is over, we should be seeing more Christians move back to the Left. The only problem is the "new enemy" of Islamic Fundamentalism, which is serving to keep many Christians firmly on the right.
At the end of the interview, Santorum was asked what he thought about Sarah Palin's recent botching of Paul Revere's historic ride. He laughed and said he had been too busy with other things to even watch her.
I don't believe him. I think he did see it, but didn't want to comment. So, as he's announcing his candidacy, he also just lied to the American people. I think we want to hear the truth from our politicians. I also think we it doesn't happen. Both parties are guilty of being dishonest and manipulative.
I, too, live in a "red" region in my state. I've been branded a liberal, as though it's a crime or a contagious disease. I just ignore it, because until we have people with integrity running for office and serving The People, I'm pretty much anti-politics and not willing to claim to be "blue" or any other color, for that matter.
Found here: http://www.amazon.com/Upside-Down-Kingdom-Donald-B-Kraybill/dp/0836192362/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1307368503&sr=8-1
And why surmise that Christ would be an political independent? His political views are glimpsed at in Matt 22, He's a monarchist--thus "the Kingdom." It's not a democracy, it's a theocracy.
People often speak on behalf of Christ, without realizing or caring He wouldn't endorse the words or thoughts of those who interpret. It's certainly one of the reasons for the Constitution's Establishment Clause. That's evolved into my own thinking that you can believe what you want, just leave others' beliefs alone which is a rebellion against the Great Commission, but aligns with other parts of a non militant faith.
WS
When I was growing up, in the area in which I lived teenage pregnancy was almost unheard of. I only recall one teenage girl who got pregnant, and that was in a high school population of two thousand students.
We had sex education, but it was very minimal and basic. The reason for the small number of teenage pregnancies was because there was a strong social stigma against sex before marriage and teenage pregnancy, and for a girl to become pregnant, or for a boy to get a girl pregnant was consider shameful.
Cut to today. That social stigma has virtually disappeared. Most liberals, and even liberal Christians, consider such a stigma to be judgmental and cruel. But it was the very thing that shaped teenage behavior and kept teenage pregnancies at a very low rate.
Instead of the social stigma against sex outside of marriage, we have the liberal ideology of radical individualism. Whatever the individual wants, he or she must have, and it is considered to be very rude to criticize people for what used to be seen as bad decisions. Today, a woman can go to the abortion doctor more often than to the dentist, but one must not be critical of her in any way.
Today sex education is the norm, and we practically throw condoms at kids. But without the social stigma it is all for naught, and having almost a million abortions a year is the new norm.
In that regard the liberal ideology of radical individualism has been extremely destructive, leading to millions of abortions on the one hand and condemning millions of young mothers and their children to lives of poverty on the other hand. But for many liberals the problem is conservative Christianity and its "silly" and "antiquated" view of sexual morality. Go figure.
Bourgeois liberals are partly to blame for this, yes.
Yet, on the other hand, medieval peasants also had very high rates of illegitimacy. And since they had control over the means of production, very few went without as a result.
like hans kung or paul tillich...
these men are serious players,
spotless, and humane.
Many of the people I know and love are conservative, and I think they still love me, despite my left-leaning views."
No they don't.
"Back to the hot button topics of abortion and homosexuality, these are issues that I believe are personal and moral and should remain private."
Then you have no understanding of the gay rights movement which is about NOT being "private" (ie. in the closet)
"Making abortion illegal will not stop it; it will just make it more dangerous for women and babies. The best way to reduce the number of abortions being performed is to improve sex education in schools and promote adoption. Ironically, many pro-lifers oppose sex education in schools, as if keeping young people ignorant will keep them from being sexually active."
And they sure as heel don't want gay or lesbain couples to adopt. So at heart they ARE in favor of abortion.
"As for the issue of homosexuality, my views are even more complicated. I don't consider myself a gay rights advocate, but I don't consider myself and opponent of them, either. As a Christian, I am well aware what the Bible has to say about homosexuality. It is expressly condemned as sin."
You ean the part where David and Jonathan "had alove that surpatheth the love of women"? And what about "the disciple that Jesus loved"?
Clearly Jesus was a "Bottom."
He was also a flesh-eating zombie -- but that's a discussion for another thread.
Anyways, I digress.... are you sure you aren't Republican?
"When I was growing up, in the area in which I lived teenage pregnancy was almost unheard of."
Out of sight, out of mind, eh? The fact is that the teen pregnancy rate in the 1950s was double what we have now. It was just that sudden marriage was the expected outcome, problem solved(other than the 50% divorce rate these situations engender). Even Pat Robertson's first child was born 6 months after he got married. What you are trying to say is similar to the claims that we didn't have any racial problems in the good ol' days. It is a false picture of the reality, if these problems get swept under the carpet, they didn't happen. Don't fool yourself, teens throughout history have had sex, it is no different today. Rather than a sudden shotgun wedding, however, we are just more open and honest about the consequences. We are also more open about information we make available to these teens. It has reduced the incidence of pregnancy, sexual diseases and back alley abortions leading to sepsis and death. Christians fought(and continue to fight)these effective measures, mainly(IMHO)because they think their morality will somehow overcome human biology. It won't, it never has and it never will.
Pinto
In fact, I have ready numerous medieval-era essays by enraged clergy, who are horrified by the fact that their peasants frequently had sex in Churches during harvest festivals and church holiday feasts dedicated to various saints. It seems the peasants had sex everywhere, in the pews, in the fields, in their yards, in the forests, and this horrified the puritanical Church. Their rhetoric against sex was high and mighty, but did not reflect the actual sexual mores of the time, which were actually quite loose, especially among the peasantry.
Interesting
More to the point, one of the characteristics of a bipolar disorder is the ability to hold simultaneous and diametrically opposed beliefs with equal sincerity. That seems to be what you're doing when you maintain that you can be a Christian and a liberal at the same time. I believe that most conservatives would c0nclude that you're not a Christian, and most Christians would concur. On the other hand, I'm afraid that most liberals would have a hard time accepting you as a liberal.
Liberal Christianity is oxymoronic because all religions are essentially conservative by nature, since they survive by insisting on an absolute belief in whatever doctrine they pre-suppose.
It is interesting to note that there is substantial evidence to believe that Abraham, Joseph, David, Solomon, Moses, Jesus, and Mohammad were all bipolar. Evidence available upon request. By the same token, there is also evidence that Paul, Martin Luther, and Joseph Smith were also so afflicted.
Religious obsessions are quite common among bipolar people but, with the development of the wide array of drugs that are being used to treat various strains of bipolarism, there's little discussion these days about those religious obsessions.
The truth is I'm not much of a Republican - that's how. Aside from a tendency toward fiscal conservatism, I depart from most of the social agenda Republicans espouse - mostly because I think it's all none of my business. I just don't care who you marry. And if you don't want to have kids, I don't feel I have the right to compel you (or anyone else) to.
I wish we could have more thoughtful discussions like this, and less screaming and name-calling.
Rated!
I believe education and personal responsibility are solutions to many problems and do not believe the issue of abortion should be excluded. I agree, adoption should be promoted more. I find it ironic, disturbing and one of those "can't wrap my brain around it" things when abortion is allowed yet when an expected mother carrying a baby is killed in a car accident at the hand of wreckless driving or DUI, it is considered manslaughter x 2. In this instance, the baby...well...IS a baby. I have to ask, is it a baby only when it is convenient or wanted? Personal responsibility and personal respect and self esteem can prevent many (not all, I realize rape is not a choice) unwanted pregancies and abortions.
In the area of homosexuality, I understand completely what you are saying. I do not judge. I can't explain it nor condemn it, using God's Word, as some Christians do. I do not believe God intended us to spew hate and use It as an excuse for bad behavior. I do not believe it is a choice in every individual and it is not my place to point the finger and decide who was born this way and who wasn't. I have been blessed to meet incredible people from all walks of life, many who do not hold the same beliefs I do yet I consider them to be friends.
To answer your question, yes I do believe it is possible to be a Christian and a Democrat. I view Christianity, as not a religion, but as a relationship. There are Christians who have forgotten this, unfortunately.