Grace Hwang Lynch

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Grace Hwang Lynch

Grace Hwang Lynch
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Silicon Valley, California,
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December 31
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I'm a former television news reporter. Currently a communications consultant, freelance writer, and mother of two. I write about raising a multi-cultural family at HapaMama, and I'm also the Race and Ethnicity Editor at BlogHer. My work has been published in several magazines and newspapers, as well as in the anthologies "Lavaderia: A Mixed Load of Women, Wash and Word" and "Mamas and Papas:On the Sublime and Heartbreaking Art of Parenting" by City Works Press. Follow me on Twitter: @HapaMamaGrace

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MAY 14, 2010 2:37PM

I've Got a Double Stroller — And I'm Not Afraid to Eat Out

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 Yes, I'm one of Those People  — stroller pushing mom who dares to wheel her children into (gasp!) a restaurant. After all, having access to a wide variety of eateries is one of my favorite pleasures, and one I want to share with my children.

From the time our babies were a few months old, my friend Liana and I would walk to a nearby park or library to get out of the house for a few hours and get in touch with a world outside of diapers, feeding, and colic. The fresh air and exercise did good for both ourselves and our infants, who usually fell asleep after a the morning outing, leaving us nursing moms famished from stroller pushing, and well, producing milk. Did we feel the need to scurry home to the piles of laundry to try to cobble together a meal while praying the babies would stay asleep?

No, we followed our noses — and our common sense — to the nearby sushi joint, where we downed miso soup and futomaki as if we didn't know when we'd get another meal. If we were lucky, the babies stayed asleep in their strollers. It worked out fine. More than fine, really. Those weekly outings were what we looked forward to in a stretch of days that blurred together in the repeated tasks of early parenting.  

Yes, we occasionally got a few dirty looks from other diners, when the babies woke up crying, which was usually remedied by feeding them or holding them in our laps while we finished our lunches. Sometimes, one of us would have to strap a kid in a stroller and high tail it home, throwing a few bills at the other to settle the tab. 

Keiko, the proprietress of our local Sushi Boat, never seemed to mind. She learned the names of both babies, and came over to ooh and ahh at their changes each time we came in. As the infants grew into toddlers, the boys learned to sit in their high chairs and sip cooled down soup and eat gobs of sticky rice. Keiko made training chopsticks by rubber banding the ends together, and has even gone so far as to wipe my little ones’ sticky fingers with warm washcloths.

You see, in Asian culture, the practice of parents leaving children at home while they dine out, is a foreign concept. Even Francis Lam remarked in his Salon article that Chinese or Japanese restaurants were often more welcoming to young families.

When I went into the hospital for the birth of my second son, my mother came over to babysit the two year old. Where else did they go for dinner, but to Sushi Boat, where Keiko greeted my son by name, and asked my mother if I was at the hospital.

My boys are now five and seven (yeah, I don't actually use the double stroller anymore, but who could resist?) and sushi and tempura are still some of their favorite foods. Like any red-blooded American children, they have their dietary pickiness. But unlike many of their peers, who subsist solely on chicken nuggets and grilled cheese, my kids have fairly adventurous palates: curry, naan, balsamic vinegar and tofu are among their favorite flavors. And I thank people like Keiko for making that possible.

© 2010 Grace Hwang Lynch

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I never minded strollers in restaurants but why do people have to park those things in the narrowest spots in walkways or the middle of the door. And everybody knows you have to fold them up to get on the bus, why wait until you are at the door then start the 15 minute process of collapsing the thing while everyone else has to wait. Grrrrr......
Thank goodness for family friendly restaurants that aren't chains.
While I enjoy the occasional dinner out with just my hubby, we take our boys with us everywhere. We have twins and childcare is not readily available, so we just packed up our stroller and took them everywhere. Now that they're almost 8, our adventures really have gotten to be a lot more fun. We're among the few parents who don't like to leave our kids behind ... and we also don't mind the babies who are around. :o) We just like being among people ... so good for you!
Good for you! I love this.
I wait tables, and I don't mind well-behaved children at all (which it sounds like yours were). Mainly I have a problem with the kids--or rather, the parents who allow them to do such things--running in the dining room, screaming, throwing food, hitting their siblings, etc. All the while the parents sip their cocktails and ignore the kids.

Kids will be kids, I know. And toddlers can be notoriously unpredictable. But seriously--you made 'em, you take care of 'em. That means you don't keep them up past their usual bedtime or take them out to eat where they'll be fed later than usual, and you bring along small toys or books to keep them occupied while waiting for their food.

And you don't hesitate to take them outside when they act up.
Good for you raising well socialized children with a taste for real food.
I am back and forth between NYC and LA quite a bit and have experienced some of Brooklyn's, especially Park Slope, ongoing stroller wars first hand. In fact, one of my good friends who is a talented writer asked to meet me for a beer at a local pub and brought his 1 year old daughter with stroller in tow. I am all for hip, young parents going to hip, young places and taking their children, especially when they are as well behaved as yours.

I will say this though - restaurants are of course an entirely different story - but to the young mom who asked me to watch my salty language in the bar to which she had brought her toddler...really?!?
Forget the valet parking and coat check. What we need is a really good restaurant with daycare.
Basically, I'm with you. But when you start off like this:

"Yes, I'm one of Those People — stroller pushing mom who dares to wheel her children into (gasp!) a restaurant."

you're just escalating right off the bat. This subject is touchy for sure, but this isn't a boxing ring. Why come out punching?
My kids aren't angels... believe me there's lots of times we have to ask for a box and a bill ASAP. It's the parents' responsibility to know when the behavior gets out of control and get outta there. But I think if you don't expose your kids to restaurants... how will they learn?

The parents in my neighborhood joke about wanting a restaurant that serves good food and has a daycare/rec room/bounce house attached.

I just heard about this babies at bars trend. Not a big drinker, especially when I'm the only parent with the kids...

Thanks for reading.
I've got a 4 year old who has Asperger's, part of which manifests as a feeding disorder. So I know how hard it can be to bring kids to a restaurant.

My take on kids in restaurants is that bringing kids to a restaurant shouldn't be a speical occurrence or limited to Chuck E. Cheese. You're absolutely right that whether it's an airplane, a grocery store or a restaurant, kids can only learn how to behave appropriately by getting experience being in those scenarios.

It's up to parents, however, to take responsibility for guiding their children to appropriate behavior. Parents typically screw this up in two basic ways: The first is bringing a child to a place where it is impossible for them to participate in the standards of acceptable behavior at their current age and stage of development. Most kids can handle a casual eatery of any stripe or ethnicity, but a fine dining establishment or a bar is another matter entirely. It's not fair to ask a three year old to spend a hour and a half sitting quietly with his napkin in his lap engaging in polite conversation. Three year olds are not built for that. And it's not fair to bar patrons to ask them to modify the behavior that is normal to a bar environment because you have chosen to bring your 14 month old in his stroller.

The other problem is when parents don't bother to use the opportunity to actually teach their kids what the appropriate standard of behavior is, choosing instead to allow the kids to "be kids" and do whatever they please, no matter how disruptive it is to others. It's never appropriate to disrupt others' dinners, or to run around annoying waiters who are trying to do their jobs. Sure, kids can be loud, and boisterous, but even at the young age of 14 months, most kids, even mildly autistic ones like mine, are capable of attending at a simple meal, and enjoy themselves for the hour it takes to eat a meal. Parents who don't insist on that in a restaurant setting strike me as lazy, and quite frankly, rude to other diners.

My parents took my brother and I out to eat when we were kids. And they insisited we behave ourselves. I think a lot of the backlash the we're seeing now aimed at "the stroller set" has less to do with any belief that kids should "stay home" than with a belief that a number of modern parents come at the world with an air of entitlement, believing that they have the absolute right to do whatever they want as parents without social reprobation. And that simply isn't so. As a parent, you are raising a child who will ultimately become a full-fledged member of society, and so you have a responsibility as a parent, not just to your child, but to the society that your child will ultimately have to navigate on his own, to equip him or her properly for that experience.
Another part of (many) Asian cultures -- don't lump them together -- is simply, not using a stroller in the first place. I've never seen one in Bangalore.
OK, trollers would be tricky with these sidewalks, but nobody misses them Kids are _carried_, by parents or by bigger kids.
It may be the unbroken body contact (kid feeling safer, carrier aware of problems much earlier), or it may be that Indians actively enjoy kids in a way I don't see in the West, or I don't know what, but kids in a restaurant or plane just don't feel the Western need to scream, and nobody feels a need to exclude them.
It's not that children here cannot be boisterous. I've had a crowd of twenty migrant-labor kids around me, all screaming at the top of their lungs by a collective decision that right now This Is The Fun Thing To Do and I was their friend, happy with it. (They'd have stopped if I asked.) It's that children here are not alienated.

I would not trade that for smooth sidewalks.
Yes, but now *I'm* afraid.
To both "incandescent" and "Jeanette DeMain",
YESSSSSSSS!!!!!!

Not only is it repulsively unpleasant to listen the the screaming and smelly distractions forced upon us quieter ones by the selfish ignorance of the breeders, when I owned a restaurant, they would ask for a seperate plate for one of the brats at our Friday AYCE fish fry so that they could steal, YES, STEAL from us by feeding them from their own dinners.
They really ought to have breeder only restaurants so that they can annoy and ruin a hope for pleasant meal of their own kind.
Do I care what they think of my wanting to NOT be annoyed, not one damn iota.
I agree with Leeandra. As long as children are well-behaved, i.e. not running about, screaming mindlessly (crying for a reason is different), making a huge mess all over the floor that everyone else has to look at, I don't mind kids in restaurants. I actually LIKE kids, as long as their parents take the time to train them. I took my godson David out to restaurants from the time he was an infant, and he learned how to behave and not behave, what I considered acceptable and what I didn't. He learned that I expected him to stay in his high chair or booster seat, that I required him to engage in polite conversation, to ask for things to be passed, use his table manners. If he dropped something on the floor, I picked it up, and he learned that I didn't consider it acceptable to make a mess with his crackers or whatever.

He also learned that if he stepped outside the zone of what I considered acceptable, he got one warning. If he did it again, he got a trip out to the parking lot for a swift and thorough reminder of what happens when he doesn't listen. And, like you, the restaurants that we went to began to know us, and smile when they saw us coming.
The spam is too distracting for me to comment much here - sorry!
I hear you, sister. When I became a parent for the first time I quickly discovered that some of my favourite places to eat were now suddenly off limits, as if families should only ever dare to eat in homogenized chains. Nice neighbourhood pub? Verboten! On the other hand, I do keep a list of my new favourites; there was the upscale Italian restaurant where the owner's wife came out and joyfully offered to take the baby on a tour of the place. And there's the neighbourhood pub from our old neighbourhood, where we can still bring the family to sit out on the patio and have the best burger in town while listening to the weekly live music jam happening inside. Japanese food? Absolutely. The boy loves endamame for one. Now we have the double stroller too and are looking forward to more outings. After all, how will they ever learn how to behave in nice restaurants if they're never in one?
I've always enjoyed seeing well-behaved children in restaurants. I'm one of those crazy people who wave and make faces at them. And I definitely think parents should bring their children to restaurants--so long as they're quick to leave when the kid starts screaming. Unfortunately, most parents where I live seem content to ignore the screaming. I don't go out much anymore; it's not worth the headache.
There are so many ways to ensure that eating out is a good experience for you, your children AND other diners. There are also many ways to ensure that it is not.

One of them is to drive a double stroller into a crowded restaurant, and expect the servers and other diners to deal.

I have four adult children. The first time I went out as a mother, my ex and I went to the Chinese restaurant in the downtown area of our small town, after I'd nursed the baby and she was sound asleep. Rather than put her in a stroller, I carried her into the restaurant, and she slept through the meal.

Three more kids later, the biggest stroller that ever went into a restaurant with us was an umbrella type, because they fold up small enough that one can stick them under the table, if necessary.

The giant stroller parents don't only ruin things at restaurants. They also wheel their strollers the size of small cars into crowded exhibition halls, crowded galleries and crowded walkways. Note the operative word is "crowded". A park, or an airport concourse is one thing. Taking a large rolling object into a crowded area is selfish. Period.
I took my two everywhere also -- well, not to high-priced fancy restaurants, though come to think of it we never went to any high-priced fancy restaurants. My husband was afraid I'd act up and ruin everyone's dining experience.

My children were almost always well-behaved. I'd keep them entertained until the food arrived (with toys, crayons, or walking around outside) and then we ATE -- sushi, Thai food, Mexican food, whatever. No picky eaters in our family, thankfully. We were always contientious of our fellow diners, and more than once we got a "Your kids are very well-behaved" from other diners and that made us very proud.
Cute kid!!!! Yeah. Our family found that the local Japanese restaurant was friendly and we took our kids there all the time. But not lately. And parents who are not willing to bail out when their kids have hit the can't behave zone--don't deserve the little suckers. Why torture other people--especially in a nicer place.
Just back from a cruise with my multi-cultural family that included my two young children. Kids are kids are kids. If my children are not happy sitting in a restaurant and it is not possible for me, or anyone, to keep them from acting out, then I just take the rest to go. And when I do that I never get upset because I realize as well behaved as my children usual are they are just two little girls.

And so on our cruise we had a few moments where we asked the staff to pack our food and send it back to the room. No big deal
If I had a stroller I´d anchor it with 6 spikes thru the concrete.. get in it and moozze away all day for you guys to get or squeeze around my tidy sleeping quarters.... just to teach you manners....

Don´t worry about mine.... I ´ve got some.. but they are none of your bizzz..

From the GripeVine....& Donah..// Grrrrr !!
Hah... fancy expensive Thai restaurants.... where do I find them ? And where are my kids ??.. There are no "expensive" Thai or any oriental restaurants where I live.... all compete to be the cheapest and the best in food taste... and my kids ?? that´s some 50 years ago and I left them where they´re at.. with their todlers - now in their 30s and with their own unruly off breed.... Time goes fast... too fast... but the strollers ain´t... They always stay where they´re at.... in the way.. with the mom and the pap munching oriental food at the lowest prices wherever....
Does get anybody upset by loud kids ?? Nobody that I know here.. but that´s because of the clattering noise from the kitchen... Everyone there is in a hurry and no plates bounce back noiselessly on rubber rims.....
My entry is always thru the back door which is where the kitchen starts... Nobody´s blocking my way because they´re polite:- it´s only Donah.. and his 90 minus 2 strikes (plus camera).. and I get the smell of the day which is different everyday.. and when I sit down at "my place"- a table for 6 with only me - I know I´m going to enjoy the noise which is not like home where only the dog snores and no-one else because my wifes are both at Pete´s HonqeeTonq (the Only Saloon with Country Tunes and all Kentucky Sour Mashed brews) up there around the corner at His Gate.. and Gabby fishing in the fishless pool across from there for ages... He, Gabby´s supposed to watch the folks down There but age took over so His Head bobs.. once in a very great while..
So the Sushi and the Fuh Yong Hay, the Saigon , Thai and Indonesian rice and noodles and endless varieties of Chino Tjap Sui taste the way they should .. native.... Super.. (thankx to the noice from the kitchen..)
And the kids..? They have their Ami.ized Sushi and Foo Yong on Stateside.... the way only Amis want and like it..... Me.. I go native.. on my island.. which is Spanish.. but who notices... with the Russian and Polish and Czech and French and German, Normandic and Dutch foods and English stews and Ami super burgers from The King and the Rainbow People!! One has to go home and make one´s own Canario food plates which is Ropa Viejo and Paellas and sopas and any of the freshly grilled ocean fish with all the salad trimmings one´s munching down with a solid Canario Rum (12 year old Arehucas or Artemi) - Cuba forgot what a Rum used to be (they cook it in their labs.. we rework our own sugar canes) - and Coca Cola Lite (no Pepsi)..... or gassified H2O (from the mountains)....
For the love of Oriental and all European food and the fresh bull from the corrida grilled over an open charcoal fire plus the Spanish wines that go with every other taste...
Yes.. I miss the kids when they were thát young and in their own world.... Life goes fast.... From the GripeVine.... & Donah..//
It's not the strollers I object to in a public restaurant, it's the screaming, out of control, undisciplined children--ignored by parents and allowed to disturb other diners. If Orientals think it is acceptable, then let them frequent Oriental restaurants.

I reared three children, all of whom were taught how to behave in public places. Why should my dining experience be marred by today's population of spoiled me, me, me brats who never hear the word "NO," and are never taught manners.
How in the world did all of you get caught up in the multi-ethic and Asian food and culture discussion? This piece deals with children (or, more specifically, strollers) in restaurants. Strollers and baby carriers continue to stump this old woman. What's the matter with carrying and holding a child these days? You strap them into carriers when they're babies and then haul the carriers around by the handle like they're buckets of water. Strollers, as I recall from the old days of raising my own children, were meant to transport children places. So, once wheeled there, why don't you take them out them out of the "vehicles" to sit in a highchair and join the group in the meal? And safety issue aside, don't you find it a bit uncomfortable straping a tot into a carseat where you can't see him or her---and in the BACK SEAT of your automobile? (Makes me wonder if that practice is the cause of the frequent stories reporting children being left in the car while the parent goes to work for the day---out of sight, out of mind.)

In other words, I find it very disturbing that there is so little human contact between parent and child out in public. Pet owners provide more bodily contact between themselves and their dogs and cats these days then do human parents and their babies.

Kudos to the parents who use backpack child carriers or slings in front. Those babies certainly feel the warmth and comfort of their parents. I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest the possibility of that comfort (and love) translating into better communication between parents and children, which leads to better overall behavior.

Oh, and as a final comment. We regularly go up to tables in restaurants and congratulate parents whose children are well behaved. The parents seem to appreciate the kind words, the children are recognized for their good manners, and that small gesture produces lots of smiles all around---including from patrons at surrounding tables.
I don't have children, but I like them....rather, the ones who are well-behaved, who are unfortunately a minority in this society. I think many marriages are waaaay too child-centered. Children are being raised to believe that the world revolves around them. I firmly believe that that is at least one important factor in the high divorce rate.
My parents always made me feel loved, but they took time to nurture their relationship. It wasn't child abuse to leave me with babysitters so that they could go off for a well-earned dinner out as a couple, you know, husband and wife, not Mom and Dad.

Today's kids can't stand to be bored or uncomfortable for one bloody minute. This results in a crop of whiney, needy adults.

The blogger sounds like she has struck a healthy balance. However, I have to say, I am so tired of the behemoth strollers, and the in-your-face presence of screaming brats everywhere you go.
So I read all them notes.. about healthy kids and tripple strollers in too marrow pathways.... How come I can move quicker in a nuke sub... w/ 6 feet clear corridors between valve stems and hand wheels.... even with my toolbox I don´t bank into them....because the Navy designed them (I did !!)... How come we are distracted by Sushi places and not hiphelutin´BBQd / grilled blood rich toro on chopsticks.... because you guys are on Stateside where there is a ban on bullfights and everybody shreaks by the thought of a bull being slaughtered in a public olé place like a corrida.... (a Mejicano one for fact) so you don´t know how a blood dripping BBQd bull tastes.. !!
´Ever been in a 6 star restaurant in London or Paris ?? That´s where you don´t go with kids.... you have the maid or a member of her family take care of your brats.....
So what´s wrong with strollers (any size) being in the way or screaming kids at the other table ?? Nothing !! Don´t have kids and don´t bring them !!! And don´t eat in cheap pigstalls or stay at home with a sushi delivered at your door.... Okay..??!

"Why do people have to park those strollers in the narrowest spots in walkways or in the midle of the door ????"
BECAUSE THEY´RE PEOPLE and they never have manners..

From the GripeVine.... & Donah..//
Ever since May 18 there were no further comments on above subject and I wonder why ?? I go further (now it´s July 28th in still the same year 2000 and 10)... and my comments are to the fact that Thai restautrants have to be fancy in order to have any or more clientêle.. in the US that is.. and of course for a lot morre sheckles than the damn food is worth.....
I live on this side of the Pond.. which is called Europe and we have all kinds of Asian eateries... fancy or not but they are all about of the same price per dish or per meal.. simply because they have to compete with their food.... Any "fancy" place does not attract more customers because people on this side are more choosy for taste and the price paid for the delicacies....
From the GripeVine.... & Donah..//