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JUNE 4, 2009 7:35AM

Mama Ain't Raising No Grandbabies...v.2

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When my kids were teenagers and starting to date I was the condom Nazi. I bought Trojans by the gross at the big box discount stores. I set them out, right by the door, in a huge, fancy, cut crystal bowl. Like Halloween candy. Take as many as you need I told them. Just leave enough for the others.

In my mommy wisdom I said things like, "If someone will have sex with you, they'll have sex with anybody. Protect yourself." I also made them say something to me as they headed out the door on  dates that my brother finds hilarious.

"Say it!" I would demand as I handed over the car keys.

"Jeaze..ok. Mama ain't raising no grandbabies. NOW can I go?" And out the door they would fly. Into the world, navigating with their hormones.

 Just a little reminder to them… the choices they made that night were their responsibility.

I am a realist at heart. I know that the human species is programmed to reproduce. Teenagers are driven to procreate. I was one and I know a lot of them. They are just like rabbits. Horny rabbits.

Oh sure, Sweet husband and I had all of the obligatory conversations with them. You know the ones.

The one you have during their first crush: Be respectful.
 
The ones you have when you catch them surfing porn (teenage boys are wizards at getting around parental web controls): You haven't even kissed a real girl and you are looking at this? The porn industry is one filled with abuse and sadness. The one about the objectification of women (and men). And the you are soooo grounded Mister one.

Then they have their first "real” girlfriend/boyfriend and the talk gets real: How and why to use a condom.

We live in the bible belt. Here the public high school has bi-weekly "Character Development" sessions in homeroom. Volunteers come to the kid's classrooms and discuss good choices for teenagers. I have no problem with that. But every single year someone (read right wing religious nut freak) comes to speak to them about abstinence.

Okay. Good talk. Good point. Will they have a doctor or nurse in next week  to speak about birth control? Hell no. Just say no, and sign this pledge to be sex free. Wear a "promise" ring on your finger (I promise to save it for marriage) not a rubber on your penis (I promise not to spread disease or babies around).

Call me weird but I believe in telling kids the truth. Give them the tools and then let them make their own decisions. They're going to anyway, right?  Demystify protection.  The alternative is difficult and heartwrenching for everyone involved.

For example, we never told them not to do drugs because drugs are bad. Our drug talk went more like this: Don't do drugs because you'll like them. Until you don't. Then your life will be screwed up and you'll end up just like your Uncle M. Do you want that? Well, do you?

We also encouraged a lot of questions around our house. We discussed sexuality, money, politics, alcohol, abuse, education, the world, love, and most importantly of all, personal responsibility.

I was raised by a single mother. Abandoned by my father. Mentally abused as a kid. I ran away from home at sixteen. I know what the unwanted in "unwanted child" means first hand.

All of my kids were wanted . Wanted by their dad and me. We always put their needs first. We provided for them. Loved them. Nurtured them. And then we taught them personal responsibility. Some of the kids we raised had never known responsible adults before us. Now they are adults. Hopefully, they understand what they will need to give in order to be good parents themselves.

I'm not sure what my blatant honesty did to our kids' budding teenage egos. They all seem to be pretty great young adults (I AM their mother and a bit biased). I will say one thing though. My sister's grandson is awfully cute.  And someday…when they are ready…I hope to have some grandkids myself.

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You can get a HUGE box of condoms at Costco!
Some of you might remember this post. It was the first thing I posted on OS. I had very few readers back then though...I think I had about three comments. For some reason (who knows?) I deleted it not long after.

So...have at me...I'm used to it.
Gracielou I applaud you for being a repsonsible and realistic parent. If every parent in every household would do this we could reduce the risk of teenage pregnancy and reduce STDs.

The fact that you live in the bible belt, where you could face being ostracized by members of the community only heightens my respect for you. Rated.
sheepdog: you have no idea how much crap we took. Although (fingers crossed) so far so good. So screw the critics, I say! (just be sure to wear a glove)
Thanks for reposting this, Gracie - I missed it the first time around. I couldn't agree more with your approach. When I worked in the alt-ed school, many of our students were already teen parents and living w/boyfriends or girlfriends - and some were married. What did we get for health/sex ed? The abstinence speaker!!!
This is great - so sensible and loving, which can be hard when dealing with teens. Your kids are lucky, and you're always fun to read!
Yes, I didn't put out the condoms but we have been very open about sex. Some of it worked, some didn't. My son married his pregnant girlfriend, she had a miscarriage but now I have a 3 yr old grandson. My daughters know that I strongly believe that a woman can have a fulfilled life without having children. They need to do what's right for them.
Loved your article.
diva: wtf? Stupid, stupid, stupid adults. I'm okay with abstinence education, just not exclusively. And...those kids were already sexually active! WTF?
nora: sensible and loving...gee...if that's how my kids would describe me then I'd take it! I kinda think they would say something more along the lines of paranoid and loving...but whatever.

lifehalflived: agreed. It's their life. Really. As parents the best we can do is give them as many tools as possible. That and a safe place to land now and then.
Gracielou so much heartache and grief could be spared if all parents took this approach! Of course, not all could muster the courage and strngth needed. It boogles my mind that i still know parents who, in 2009, will NOT discuss any sexual matters with their children!

"Will they have a doctor or nurse in next week to speak about birth control? Hell no. "

The problems with this approach infuriate me! I'll stop there, I have a whole day to get through and don't need to get enraged right now :-)
Growing up in your home would have been a fun time:)
kelly: I agree. No one discussed sex, birth control, alcohol, drugs, or pretty much anything with me when I was a teen. Result? Pregnancy, drug and alcohol abuse, and a whole lot of learning the hardest of hard ways.
I'm not saying that most teens don't learn their lessons the hard way...I'm just saying that they (and those around them) can be spared a lot with simple facts and prevention. What they do with the information is still ultimately up to them.
How funny

My mom gave my sister and I the *exact* same advice. Through our teen years, we were continually reminded that ‘an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure’ and that mama had raised all of the babies she planned to raise. Needless to say, these words of caution were passed along to my three children to guide them through the troublesome teen years.

The challenges facing today’s teens have grown exponentially, as they are continually bombarded with images (and music) that stimulate their overactive libidos. It’s incumbent upon parents to provide practical information, to insure that their children make informed decisions that will not have long lasting negative consequences.

Thanks for reposting this.

Rated
Peter: I think it was fun most of the time. Wild, crazy chaos, but fun too. A sense of humor helps a lot when you have a whole freakin' house full of teens.
spindoc: good for your mom and good for you but ultimately good for your children! I hope my kids pay it forward too.
You sound like a very smart momma to me gracielou.
I am proud you reposted this, as it is GREAT!!!!
I don't want to raise grandbabies either.
You go girl.
Can't wait to give you a hug, btw.
You have a great attitude. This subject was taboo in our house when I was growing up and the only thing I was ever told was, "Don't think of the moment, think of 9 months from now." Wasn't that way in this house when my sons were young! Sounds like to me you're a wonderful, informative, responsible mom!
Good article! My approach was different, but still a good article!
Sounds good to me! What is it about parenthood that causes most parents to forget what they were like as teens?
I remember getting a whole lot of criticism from friends and family for taking my daughter to our local library to read books about how the body develops and how babies are created when she was six years old. Of course, the material was age appropriate, it's not like we were reading Shere Hite or something similar. The mere fact, that I would make my daughter aware of such things was too much for some people to handle.

I've never believed in hiding things from my daughter, or using fake words to describe body parts. I never wanted her to be ashamed of something that was so natural. I believe I felt all the more compelled given that sex was never uttered in my household when I was a child. I didn't want to subject my daughter to that same "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" philosophy.

I think whenever a young person is armed with such information, they are less likely to make you a grandparent before your time because they are aware of the facts and usually tend to behave accordingly. Rated!
allie: I remember all too well what I was like as a teen. Thank God none of mine were as horrible as I was. Not kidding. I tried as hard as possible to insure that none of them went down that road. As it is...seems like they all chose their own roads. Just better ones than I did. Whew.

mission: come hungry!

justPam: I guess that was your mom's version of "think before you act." I don't think it was too unusual for our generation to get all of our info on sex from our friends and that one "just girls" talk they give you in health class in seventh grade. Thank God somethings are changing.

jk: So your mom was a crazy bitch too? Ha ha ha.

patriciak: they are your kids and you have the right to parent as you see fit. The operative word in that sentence is "parent." I'm sure you are a good mom.
onecorgilover: We too caught a whole rash of shite for educating our kids at what we thought was the appropriate time. I usually just figured that my kids would tell the other kids the facts and then they would all be smarter. God knows, I wanted my kids to hang out with smart kids!
But does Costco have the flavored ones? The Day Glo ones? The Magnums? I gotta have the Magnums!

Wintergreen flavored, Day-Glo Magenta, Magnums.
I agree that you have to do more than tell them, "Just say no." I think abstinence should be discussed, but if you don't tell them about birth control and disease, you are crazy (plus, diseases and the costs of raising a child MAY scare some people off from sex for a couple more years....they scared me). Ignorance doesn't quell hormones. They are just as liable to experiment (maybe more so) if they don't know the facts. My home state is now again at the top of the list for teen pregnancy and two STDs. (The CDC released their most recent data in 2009 that is from 2006). I don't think it's coincidence that a state that pushes abstinence more than education stays near the top in these fronts.
Delia: I know, right? Again... stupid, stupid, stupid adults....

Uh...Duane? Magnum? Seriously? Well!
My word, that fancy crystal bowl of condoms... you would be famous here in this little Bible belt community, and also one of my favorite moms/friends ever. "Mama ain't raising no grandbabies." Please forgive me if I steal - it's one of the funniest, truest, most appropriate parental lines I've heard. Thank you thank you for the much-needed laugh this morning!
You are my kinda woman, Gracie.

I love ya more each time I read ya!
annette: steal away my friend! I have yet to copyright that line. And, um...many think the condom bowl is an urban myth. Not so.

Frank! Two days in a row! Yippee. Oh, and good job on the big V (read that in a comment you left on another blog). If you don't need those little swimmers anymore I say buh bye.
your parenting skills are to be commended. Your wisdom to be emulated.
Way to go gracielou!!!! We're doing similarly with the Giant - although the condoms are in his room.
Owl: good for you. I always said to my teens: Here are the condoms. You know what they are for and you know how to use them. You will never have the excuses that you were too embarrassed to buy them or that you had no money. If you or your partner get sick or preggers the only excuse you will have is this. I was stupid.

Mr. Mustard: wow! thanks.

ame: welcome! I'm feeling you. Good luck. And, as a side note, Sweet Husband and I have always told the kids NOT to call us to ever bail them out of jail. The only exception? Murder. The reasoning? They're all good people. If they murder someone it will be for good reason. (just kinda kidding)
I have not, and will not, bail them out for being stupid or irresponsible. They have older siblings for that.
Oh cmon do you really put em i n a bowl? Hm...Hm....Seems an awfully unusual way to raise children: with full disclosure, loving foregiveness, and a lethal dose of real-life concern....but, who knows, you New Agers might be onto something....

Jim, ironic & wishing you lots & lots of grandkids....by then there will be a chip they can implant...um y'know where...
Jim: Ha ha! Someday, right? I'll have grandkids and they will all have an "off/on" fertility switch built in! What a great idea! You are brilliant.

And yes, a bowl. A big freakin' in your face who cares if the neighbors see' em take 'em they're free you'll be glad you did bowl.

Now...the bowl is gone. And so are the kids. I'll pull it out when the next wave (grand kids) hit puberty. How embarrassed do you think the grand kids will be of their granny? Maybe they'll think I'm cool.
I used to know a guy who dressed up as a giant condom and went to the park on Saturdays and gave out condoms. He was "super condom man." I hero worshiped him.
"If someone will have sex with you, they'll have sex with anybody."

AMEN SISTER! Best parenting advice I've seen in a while!!!
You go Grandma!!! Is everyone home safe and sound yet?
Wow - a parent who operates in reality! Good for you Gracie - now get ready for your kids' friends to want to talk with you...you may be the only adult around who can carry on an intelligent and informed conversation about sex and contraception.
1_I_Mother: Oh yes! Home safe and sound and gone again...
Did you miss my post Spring Break With My Youngest Young'uns?
Check it out. They are fine and both youngest are guiding on the Ocoee River in TN for the summer. At least that's only 100 miles away and not half a world away, right?

Oh, and you might want to start stocking up with condoms now. Your time is just around the corner sister!
lollygagger: Oh that time has come and gone girl. I've talked to their friends for years about contraception, AIDS, STDs, drugs, alcohol...you name it. We've talked about it.

It's nice. They all still come visit when they need their "gracielou" fix. Really, it's pretty sweet.
Granny,

You are one cool mom. I wish my mom, Queen Eleanor, was alive to hear about this. Her first, prude-y reaction would be very conventional, as all of her first reactions to things were, alas...but....she would have laughed in that little way she had that said

she truly appreciated the "new ways" of "these modern women"...sh e was no "delicate flower" when it came to sex....her grace came from taking it with good humor...

the grandkids, I predict, will tell their peers how weird granny is, then they'll go home & maybe give their mommies a good idear or two, eh?

Jim
I remember this one! Even better the second go'round. With all of the abortion posts, I was thinking of this one. I'm glad you decided to resurrect it.
I just wanted to throw this in there. I have been much the same as you on what I've taught, what I've said about sex, condoms etc. Even so, my oldest was always the kid who had to burn her hand twice before she'd believe me when I said, "HOT." She just wasn't being responsible, and see what happens? So no, you can try, but you can not teach personal responsibility. It is hard for some kids to learn vicariously, and unfortunately that kid is stone-cold-stubborn about such things. So I'm disappointed she allowed this to happen. I am 50% wishing she'd consider open adoption. And I'm proud of her for not turning one mistake into two--at least she didn't marry the sperm donor.
I think honesty and frankness about sex and drugs with your teenagers are a far better line of defense against drug abuse and teenage pregnancy than ANY cute fairytale spun by the "abstinence only" crowd. Feh on the lot of them, and on their "promise rings" too. Ignorance is a lousy way to prepare a kid for what they'll have to face in life.

Your kids will probably look back and be thankful they had parents who didn't talk down to them about important things.
If Bristol Palin had had you for a mother, she'd have been much better prepared for her life.

Incredibly rated.
I always talked openly about sex to my daughters, even when they were children. "Sex is a huge part of life", I'd say, "but it's for adults. It has serious consequences such as permanent disease and pregnancy, and you have the rest of your life to deal with sex and men and relationships. When you're eighteen you can make your own decisions concerning alcohol, sex, etc., but until then, enjoy being a kid."

I also made sure my daughters had a "real childhood", that is, riding bikes, climbing trees, playing imaginary characters in imaginary scenarios, etc. I kept them away from the popular culture as presented on TV for the most part. This worked for me, but then, I cultivated a very close relationship with both of them insuring they could ask me anything, which they did. Without our closeness, they would probably not have listened to me.

Let me add that if one of my daughters had become pregnant as a teen, I would have considered that MY failure. CHILDREN ARE ONLY AS GOOD AS THEIR PARENTS (also the title of a manuscript I'm working on).
This is a reverse flounce!

Your kids are lucky. I'm glad you brought this one back.
Dayna: this is the part of the response I posted to Kelly above.

I'm not saying that most teens don't learn their lessons the hard way...I'm just saying that they (and those around them) can be spared a lot with simple facts and prevention. What they do with the information is still ultimately up to them.

I think the key is that it really is their lives, not ours. The ultimate responsibility lies in our hands to educate and their hands in action. Many teens only learn the hard way (I was one of them). You do the best you can and then even that's no insurance that they will make the best decisions.

Your daughter is facing a long road. You know that, you're a parent. Kudos to you for not shaming her into marrying. That still happens a lot around here (the bible belt). Kids (well...all of us) make mistakes. I always tell mine that I only ever learned from my mistakes. The easy stuff didn't really teach me much. The key is to learn from those mistakes, right? And not keep repeating them.

That too was a hard long lesson for me. Thanks for your comment and for stopping by my blog.
Oh, and I wanted to add this to Dayna: I think the natural consequences of bad decisions DOES teach most kids personal responsibility.

All the way from the smallest thing (decision: skipping school / consequence: I do not write them an excuse. They fail a test. Get a lower grade, etc...) to bigger stuff (decision: underage drinking/ consequence: getting arrested and me not bailing them out) to the really big stuff (decision: not to use birth control/ consequence: pregnancy and having to make really hard adult choices).

The problem I sometimes see with parents is that they are always shielding their children from suffering the natural consequences of their actions. My kids were pretty open with me and I never berated them for their screw ups (well, not much). I figure they're human, like me, and will make lots of mistakes before their life is over. Learning from them, like I said before, seems key.

I'm sure you do the same. Just wanted to clarify where I was coming from. Do I think education alone will protect them? No. I really don't think it's a good thing to shield them at all. And I really don't think it's a good idea to make their decisions for them (after a certain age).
Shiral: I agree. Honesty is a must. One of my sons went to a required pre driver's liscense class when he was fifteen led by a local police officer. The officer told the kids that they could have a "marijuana flashback" while they were driving and cause an accident. At that point my son quit listening. He knew enough to know the officer was bullshitting them. What else was he falsifying? Kids are real quick to loose respect when an adult lies to them.

I would've much rather the officer just state that marijuana is illegal and you can go to jail for having it and that it affects your driving if you are high. How hard would that have been?
Amy: I agree with most of what you said. Especially the being close and spending time with your kids. I too, consider myself close to my (now grown) kids and they pretty much told me everything. Even stuff I didn't want them too! I have been known to interrupt them mid-conversation and say, "I am now on a need to know basis only!" Ha ha.

We also had lots of family play time together. Every night when the weather was nice was outside family time (oh...I'm nostalgic now. Beth Mann nostalgia tears...sniff). Four square, basket ball, badmitton, water balloon fights, bikes, tree house, well...you get the picture. And Sweet Husband and I were right there playing with them.

Our motivation was mainly to wear them out before bedtime but the side effect was a closeness that is undefinable. Between the kids and their siblings and us.

"...if one of my daughters had become pregnant as a teen, I would have considered that MY failure."

That's the part of your response that I can't agree with. I just don't see how you can take responsibility for EVERY decision your teen makes. Influence? Yes.

For example: When one of my daughters was fifteen I found out she was doing drugs. Not just pot. I mean heavy drugs. (I am no alarmist. And I do, from experience, know the truth about recreational drug use) On a regular basis. I'm not stupid. I knew something was up. This is a child who had a 99% iq, was a straight A student (her grades never dropped), was an accomplished athlete, and had been educated the same way the rest of our brood had been on the subject. She just made some bad choices. And was a very good sneak.

Was I to blame? I will take responsibility for snatching her out of school and throwing her butt into rehab as soon as I knew what was going on. That's the natural consequence of doing serious drugs when you are fifteen in our home. And, surprise surprise! Some of the parents I knew had the nerve to scold me! Oh, she's such a great kid. Oh, I could never do that to my kid. Blah, blah, blah...
My response to them: She IS a great kid. And I'm gonna do everything in my power, while she's IN my power, to save her. Except shield her from the consequences of her actions.

Jeeeze....now I'm up on MY soapbox! Somebody stop me! I have stuff to do around this house!

Thanks Amy for your great comment. Your girls are lucky to have a mom like you!
Lisa and Jeanette: thanks. It's obvious from my long winded replies that it's something I've been thinking a lot about lately, huh?
Hee! I couldn't say that with any credibility; my kids all know that we'll take babies from anywhere.
What a great post and your children are incredibly fortunate to have the parents that they did...parents who are realistic. The thing about abstinence based education is that IT DOESN'T WORK. Plain and simple. Hey, if if worked, have at at. Hand out all the rings you want, but 90% of teens who make that pledge break it (duh). My guess as to what blatant honesty gave your children is a more open and honest relationship. I can't stress enough that parents who insist that their children don't do drugs, don't have sex, don't lie, etc. etc. blah blah blah, have kids that lie to them. Simple. I've told my 4 kids the same thing...I will not be raising anyone's children. I'm so over that. Highly rated.
Great post--you done good! My parents didn't do the big-ass bowl o' condoms thing (although that's a fantastic strategy), but they did keep emergency contraception and condoms well-stocked in both bathrooms.

Cheers to you for being a wonderful mom! If only there were more gracielous in the world...
Glad you reposted. Very refreshing!
Marykelly sent me over here to read this after she read my blog today on my teenage son [if you get a chance?]. Excellent - do I really have to hand him condoms as he goes out the door?!
maryt: you are sooo right! Show me parents with a perfect kid and I'll show you a kid with deluded parents!

Thanks for the nice comment, Mary. You and I have raised an army between us. It's their turn now, right?


High: The ones that didn't end up at your house were all at mine. I know what you mean BUT it's time to give my old man a serious break. He's been busting his hump for 25 years supporting me and every stray kid I could find to bring home. I once said, "Okay, Honey, that's the last one." His reply? "Baby, if you want, you can stack 'em in this house like cord wood. If they need us, there's always room." Is that man a saint, or what?
I just think we are tired. After ten it's time for them to do the raising.

Jessabelle and Hawley: I haven't seen either one of you in a long time! Thanks for coming over here and being so nice. Really.

Deborah: just read your post and the answer is yes, yes, and yes.
Well let me tell ya, Glou. I am a Big fan of yours. I don't know when you started here, but the first thing I read of yours was the story about the Christmas lights. I've been a fan ever since. Plus you call me bitch.
I see some fantastic grand kids in your future and you will babysit them and spoil them every chance that you get!
Warm and wonderful, as always. You done good, girl.
I'm going to be chuckling all night. This is marvelous and hilarious. The title alone should be etched in marble.
gracielou, if I'd gotten to be a mom, I would have wanted to be a mom like you.
Michael: thanks! And just sos ya know, I just made the 100th comment on your face pucher post. You go, Bitch!

Lea, Steve, L&P, and AOK: awwww...thanks guys. Nice words from nice folks.

Jane: sent you a pm on how we handled the doobie issue with the kids.
You are an awesome mom, Gracie. I did this for my youngest sister; the middle one's only a couple years younger than me. Good on you.
My friend always brings me a bunch of condoms when she visits me. They're my favorite because they're "New York" condoms with the subway logo on them. I have 400 of them now. I can't "mate" enough to keep up with the supply, sad to say. But I have them. And I like them.

I can't believe you said, ""If someone will have sex with you, they'll have sex with anybody." Gracielou! What does that mean?

I also didn't know about your growing up years so much. You of eternal brightness and beauty. You are a beautiful and vibrant survivor.
I loved your post. I have a huge basket of condoms available to my kids in the linen closet. I don't ask questions just promise to refill when empty. I dont care if I am supplying the entire high school.
I too am not raising any grandbabies!
Porn has definitely evolved. When we were 5 we would go down to the junkyard to the bin where they recycled newspapers and magazines and fish through it to find Playboy and Penthouse. Now anything and everything is on the web. I'm not sure theres anyone of stopping a determined kid.
I'm late to the party, but I really appreciated your column. Totally Rated!!!!!
Loved this. I had one such similar talk with my son, and left a box for him as a reminder in his bathroom closet. Not too long after, he decorated his dresser with minature balloon art figures from--guess what. That was his return message to me!
OMnonexistentG.

This is exactly and completely right. Almost never happens, but you did it.

If I were as fearless as you I would write about the last 6 months, discovering my 15-year-old daughter _______ and learning _______ about my 17-year-old daughter, and having to have those conversations, right up there, yep, with both of them, and then requiring their (relatively worthy/decent ) real-deal boyfriends to sit with me and have The Talk (basically: don't have sex with my daughters, but if you do use a condom but don't have sex with my daughters)...man.

Just freaking righteous kee-rect-o-mundo post, gracie. We have to risk red faces and get it said. My daughters were mortified then hugely relieved. Reeling with appreciation.
Love the line and the wisdom,my kids got the same treatment... Shows us the difference between intellect, and wisdom. Thanks for that.
WONDERFUL. My parents are squeamish, so we never talked about anything like this. I learned from my friends. I was INCREDIBLY fortunate to have really smart friends. Now a college friend and I are the condom nazis to our roommates/acquaintances/neighbors. We trade them among ourselves like baseball cards. Planned Parenthood had a day where you could go pick up free Plan-B--we filled a car up and went. As an RA at my school they give you BAGS of condoms to pass out, and we both did the same thing as you with the Halloween-esque candy bowl outside of the doors to our dorm rooms. Thank god for people who are demystifying and un-taboo-ing safe sex! When/if you do have grandkids in their teens, I hope the condom bowl makes a reappearance.
"I believe in telling kids the truth."

This is the best thing you can give your children. It is also the most effective defense against perncious culture.

Although "wise" is the best word I can think of to describe you, I also think you are very funny. Yours are some lucky kids.
Typo,
it is "pernicious"
You are funny on a very serious issue, I don't think grand parents should be raising anybodys children, unless there are some really bad circumstances. Unfortunately people making bad choices dosen't fall under that guise. People need to smarten up and realize before it's too late, that what ever falls under the umbrella of didn't know, also implys didn't care. THe innocent life that is connected to your embilical cord is your responsibility not mine.
I approve of your tactics. I had 2 sons, now grown and turned out wonderful and grandchildren. 5! Two came early, no marriage, breakup and alot of heartache! So I hear you! And yes, I had the talk, but.....now that son is married and very happy, they have no kids by her choice, which is fine. But the heartache is Ashley 13 and Maddy 12 live clear acrosss the country and we only see them 4 weeks in the summer. Ashley just texted me and told me she misses me so much ! We tex every weekend and this is hard on them. Love binds us though,,but there are easier ways. Great post. (I'm new and yes, my posts are lonely. Ha!)