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MAY 11, 2012 11:27AM

Notes from Church (a college student's religious experiment)

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I woke up last Sunday wanting some fire’n’brimstone so I went to my first Baptist service. Just some background: I was raised Catholic. By 16, I was comfortable openly calling myself agnostic. I played around with “atheist” but for anyone who was raised in a Christian household—that’s kind of a big jump, even if all your (lack of) beliefs fit the bill. Summing up my religious history in two sentences is kind of unreal; you’re not getting the full picture. Think: Catholic guilt. Also think: diagnosed depression.
That was highschool. Entering college I dropped the thought long enough for me to cool down and now I’m ready to approach the subject again. I’m tired of wordy God conversations over drinks and listening to makeshift anti-Christ preachers. Everyone seems weighted and biased and now I want to answer some of my own questions.

 

 Who are the owners of Christ-fish sedans, actually, and why do I
hate them?
 
Do I need to believe in the divinity of Jesus to enjoy these free (for
the most part) services?
 
Do I honestly have to believe in an all-knowing, all-caring,
personified God just because I want to try and live my life as a
Christian?
 
 Why Christianity? Why anything?

 

  The church I chose this Sunday was huge. I found out the appeal of service. I sat there taking notes, listening to a preacher on stage talking earnestly in the mic taped to his face. I expected the sermon to be mostly Our Lord’n’Savior, but actually, surprisingly, pleasantly, He wasn’t mentioned that much. I sat there for two hours and didn’t get restless like I do in movie theatres or in classes. I watched him, I listened, I tried to figure out why people came here every week. I thought about all the atheists I knew. I thought about online atheist forums. I thought about the hatred for Christians and I remembered the Fag-Haters and Anti-BC; Procreation Advocators.

I thought about the financial backing it would take to run this beautiful facility. I thought about all the polished shoes and clean cut hair and the interracial couple to my right and the couple with full sleeve tattoos in front of me. I listened to the preacher—the honest, good, preacher. I heard him offhandedly mention to me how bad and trashy rap was, just like I heard him tell me to try and get my friends to come to this church with me, same as I heard him tell me that kids should be disciplined more. More than that, though? More than I heard “Baptism” or “Christ”, I heard how often he told me loved me. I heard the rhythm of his voice. I paid attention to the excitement in his voice and after he’d start talking fast or loud or if he stayed on one subject for too long I heard him break the intensity with genuine humor. Just as my attention started to waver, he’d make a gesture or vary his voice. He’d make jokes about kids or he’d tell a brief story about his actually interesting family life. He was an expert.

He focused on the unity of the congregation and the realness of human to human relationships. He told me he was my spiritual leader because he loved me. The sincerity in his voice was what held my attention as well as everyone else’s. Isn’t that what we want, anyway—to be loved, unique, wanted, whatever? While I was sitting there, even though he DID talk about God, I didn’t really feel that God mattered. I’m not ignoring the bible thumpers that were around me. The preacher even mentioned them—negatively. He lightly reprimanded the bible parrots during his segment on how we should focus on strengthening our minds. (strong mind = strong emotions; know what your talking about = know you have good faith) He preached on how we should read and actually know what we are talking about, before we talked about it to other people. I only wish he didn’t focus on only reading the Bible. While he did rightly tell us that we should keep in mind that the Bible was written by a radically different culture, he counteracted that with saying that everything that was true then is true now, too.
I sat there like, “wow I was so close to being completely on board!” Yes, please, people, read. Strengthen your mind! Read everything you can about your belief. I’m not talking about only the books that pet you on the head and tell you that you’re so right. Get all sides and try and figure out why you believe what you believe. It can either only make your belief stronger and provide you with better ways to discuss your religion to the secularists, or it could lead you on a whole different type of journey. Both are about improvement/self-growth and that’s the point of “faith” on a personal level. The actual church part of my experience is more important though.

            I left after service and wanted to go back. Everyone felt that way though—why else do 300+ people drive there every single Sunday to listen to this man? I don’t think it was about Jesus. If all concept of God disappeared tomorrow, churches would still be full on Sunday.  It was about the togetherness of the congregation. It was the fact that in the lobby there were signup sheets for youth groups or knitting circles or bible studies or whatever. It was the community and the human confidence of belonging to something big. The preacher even mentioned the social aspect of his church during the sermon. He said this when encouraging the “unchurched” (me) to join his fellowship: “if you find yourself alone with a tumor, boy you’re in trouble.” Excuse the blandness of the text. You have to realize I heard this over an hour into looking at his sincere face. Point is—if someone in his congregation went to chemo, it would look like Tuesday Morning set up shop in their house that day. On top of that, they’d have 300+ people thinking about them in the Sunday following. It’s about support. What would the average secularist have? I just feel like if you’re Baptist and you reached out to your megachurch for help, you’d be a Sunday morning superstar.

            Asking why church exists is like asking why support groups are real. Why does group therapy work? Why does PTA exist? Why any book club?  Why any organization? Even though I don’t believe in a god the way Christianity describes it, I enjoyed the Baptist sermon. I walked out of there wanting to go back just because the preacher made me feel like I was a part of something human, communal, if just for two hours. The service let me understand the Church Routine from an emotional and social point of view. So surprisingly, I didn’t reach any sort of spiritual clarity while holding my tiny dollar coffee and being squeezed between two perfume floral strangers. I appreciated the message of unity, unconditional love being real in the world and being golden to your neighbor. While I am not a Christian by definition, I think I will still try and “live like one” until I see something that makes me want to retract that sentiment. For now I’m ignoring the aborted fetus bus that occasionally rides through my town. I don’t know why the radically religious feel the need to be terrorists but I don’t even want to begin to think of that right now.

            I have more questions now. Why do secularists seem to keep quiet? Why aren’t there, like, humanist sermons? Why don’t the science-minded meet and preach to lay people like me? Does it really take the idea of something divine and eternal to bring such a large gathering—are imperfect people not enough for each other? 

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" I have more questions now. Why do secularists seem to keep quiet? Why aren’t there, like, humanist sermons? Why don’t the science-minded meet and preach to lay people like me? Does it really take the idea of something divine and eternal to bring such a large gathering—are imperfect people not enough for each other?"

I can answer that fairly well, I'd say. What do you think Jacques Cousteau and his sons Michel and Philippe were doing all that time? What do you think Carl Sagan, Steven Hawking, Albert Einstein were doing when they spoke out about science? Would you not consider Neil deGrasse Tyson, Bill Nye or even Beakman orators for secularism?

If I had a show like that, I'd do all sorts of cool stuff that is heavily backed by science and observation and then I'd be ENTHUSIASTIC about it, too. More so, I think, than those others. They are often so calm, so collected that they lose some of their audience to lack of fire.

Why do you think Steve Irwin was so popular? He LOVED what he did and was so completely into it that he didn't guard his joy. It cost him his life, but as a science related endeavor, his Crocodile Hunter show taught us about the ability of man to observe nature and interact with it without having to shoot something.

To learn about the world and be in the world, though not of it, is not just secularist, though. In fact, science and religion both have this obligation.

As secularism goes, I don't know of any humanist or secularly leaning person that has a show, though, that talks about love being necessary and care and concern -- except Cousteau and Sagan. Both gone. Sad.

More than that, I think those people who decide there is no Miraculous God Being are simply too busy learning and working in the world to proselytize others who, in their view, should find out for themselves what works for them.

Science is closely linked to a secular view, but a purely secular view, without any sense of metaphysical concepts (where does life come from, how did it start, is there a Creator of some sort, why am I alone, etc.) is also as sorely lacking as any religious service that only tells you what God wants you to do and anything less is sinful.

Lucky for you, you didn't go to some of the Southern Baptist services I attended with my grandparents in Arkansas. Scare you enough to make you piss yerself it would. Even so, I have also attended a Baptist church for a while that stressed that human connection.

Jesus? Definitely someone existed by that name. Was he the Son of God, as referenced in the Old Testament, one Mr. -- sorry -- Lord Yahweh? Seriously doubt it.

Does that change the meaning and the message that John Lennon made more simple: All you need is Love? Maybe some others are out there preaching that? You know, that we are part of All that Is and we are all connected, making us all really One? To love ourselves and to love others as we love ourselves doesn't require religion or religious conviction, but it is, for the most part, a matter of personal faith.

I studied:
The Qu'ran (or as my Koran has on it, Koran)
The Bible (Old Testament and New Testament, but I read fully the NT twice and haven't been able to read all of the OT. Most of it is pretty damn boring, really.)
The Book of Mormon (yawn, self aggrandizing rationalized bs IMO)
The Upanishads
The Vedic Texts
Confucious
Buddhism
Est
Scientology

and a few others. There's useful stuff in all of them (even the Book of Mormon) if you take it at face value and don't to put some Omniscient, Omnipotent and Omnipresent being in there as the one providing the advice. Why would such a being even bother with puny humans? Would we really be worth the time? I'd imagine, if nothing else, we could be a constant source of amusement.

I still, however, wonder, "How did it all start? Where did it all come from? If there is a Creator, who -- or what -- created Him/Her/It? At some point, there has to be a start, so even if something intelligent and purposeful that wasn't God created us, where did they get their start?

Some questions seem to have no answers and lead to more questions again. Good luck on your spiritual journey (also a registered Shaman) and keep asking questions. Who knows, perhaps you'll even get a real answer or two along the way.

--r--
There are gatherings — even churches — for the secular, like Unitarian-Universalism; and strictly speaking, Buddhism is non-theistic.

I hope you keep searching, although it may be a challenge in MS.
Any type of micro analysis to me, is a waste of time. Faith is about what is in your heart, what life events mean to you in terms of what you believe. Want to get confused? Be well- read on all religions. I am a Christian, but I don't preach, I don't say what I believe is all there is, I don't need to prove anything to anyone. If you know yourself, search, you will find what you need. I guess I feel there are many things you can't approach in a 'textbook' manner. But then I am 64, what the hell do I know.
Ooops, for got to congrad you on the EP. Lot of interesting data here, good luck.
Your essay has some language issues. Also, you must be very young to not understand that secularism is well expressed and understood by a lot of human beings in Western civilization.

Southern Baptist's adopted platforms have some very negative rhetoric and stands against woman in society as powerful beings as well as homosexuality. I lived in this world for 18 years. Such doctrines, taken to the extreme, can do serious damage to a growing mind. Be careful, there is no magic bullet for existence. That includes religion. A lot of it is about power and money, not a civil society. Mindful living defined by love comes closer to creating a "God" than preachers, gatherings, or like-minded people in a big church.
This is textbook stuff for preachers... You have spoken about something that gives me a view into your heart, and you are bold and curious and delightful. Amazing.
I clicked on this by accident and read it because I figured I was sent here for a reason.

Thanks for the reminder that we humans are a tribe and we do need each other. My frightened side is saying, "Yeah, you go to the church and get caught in the moment. You get sick and the church do-gooders would show up to pray with you. But which one of them would step up to be your friend? Who would be there for the mundane?" But that's where I live.

Your last paragraph- I see it this way. Anyone can walk into a church and sit down and participate. The secular speakers and the scientists charge a cover charge whether it's tickets at the door, buying their book, or advertisers on their TV show. Churches, if you join, want a tithe but don't demand one on first meeting. If secularists want their message to be more listened to, they might consider taking a page from the preachers.
@impermanentlife - I don't know how to reply to someone here, but I assume an "@" sign might do something. I understand that there are a lot of "secularist preachers" but they're not nearly as available like religious preachers are. I have to go out and look for the academic minds willing to share. I drive for more than 20 minutes down the road and I've already passed 2 free service churches. I just thought it was interesting that people insist on going to local gatherings. I just wish there were local gatherings that were centered around things that would be more helpful or progressive.

Also I know about the sexism and homophobia in Christianity. Again, I was raised Catholic. I wanted to get past the bad and see what the appeal was.
Sexism and racism and homophobia dwell within the minds of ignorant followers who actually believe every word written in religious context is perceived as literal Truth. I believe in the existence of God/the Creator, not because of what's available in written form, but because the ethereal co-exists with omni when free will combines with eclecticism.
Your essay is well-observed and well-written. I applaud you for your open-mindedness. I was exactly your age when I decided to give church another chance myself, in spite of my agnosticism. I wound up in the United Church of Christ, one of the churches that encourages open-mindedness (in most of our congregations.) There are other faiths that are also welcoming to skeptics, including Episcopalians, Quakers and Unitarian Universalists. There are also some Roman Catholic congregations that you might find welcoming, though you might not find any in your area.
Your essay is well-observed and well-written. I applaud you for your open-mindedness. I was exactly your age when I decided to give church another chance myself, in spite of my agnosticism. I wound up in the United Church of Christ, one of the churches that encourages open-mindedness (in most of our congregations.) There are other faiths that are also welcoming to skeptics, including Episcopalians, Quakers and Unitarian Universalists. There are also some Roman Catholic congregations that you might find welcoming, though you might not find any in your area.
"are imperfect people not enough for each other?"
I've been in churches my whole life and I ask myself this a lot. I think the answer is more in how groups of humans behave rather than how groups of Christians should behave. Just because folks put on their Sunday best (and floral perfume!) and sit in a pew doesn't mean they have a clue about about Jesus' teachings and preachings. They nod their heads to "Thou shalt not..." and nod off during "the greatest of these is love."

I like the preacher's point about reading. The Bible is just the beginning. I learned so much from reading Anne Lamott's books of essays on Christian faith ("Travelling Mercies" is the best, but all are worth reading), Donald Miller's "Blue Like Jazz" and Rick Warren's "Purpose Driven Life." I'm now into Garry Wills' "What Paul Meant," his follow-up to "What Jesus Meant."

Congratulations on your EP. You have a lively writing style and a keen eye for detail. Keep the faith, write, read, ask questions, pray, and you will eventually find a place that feels just right.
Girl Curl writes: "Do I honestly have to believe in an all-knowing, all-caring, personified God just because I want to try and live my life as a
Christian?"

Thomas Merton wrote about the difference between intellectual difficulties and theological doubt. He noted that many people who have trouble believing "do not realize that the virtue of faith has, for its material object, truths which are so profound and which so far exceed our intelligence that they are called—and are in the highest sense—mysteries. It is quite obvious that these truths are not easy to understand and that they present tremendous intellectual difficulties. However, it is not at all true to say that the mysteries of faith are of themselves unintelligible or that their intelligibility does not matter. Of themselves, the mysteries of faith are supremely intelligible, for they are all deeply immersed in the eternal Truth and infinite Intelligence of God. For that very reason we are incapable of penetrating their depths by the mere light of our reason.

"To be unable to understand the mysteries of faith is by no means to be unable to believe them. And yet, as I have said, faith is in no way the blind acceptance of a truth which we have no hope of understanding. Although we can never comprehend the full meaning of these mysteries, yet faith is the key to a relative understanding of them. It is after the initial act of belief that the believer begins to see. Only then can the intellectual difficulties presented by these mysteries be dealt with in a way that is in some sense satisfactory." [Thomas Merton. The Ascent to Truth (p. 42)]

Fr. Lorenzo Albacete talks about the dogmas and doctrines of the church as "signposts" that point to a deeper reality, but that they themselves are not that reality. The doctrines help you along the way, but they are not the destination.

St. Isaac of Syria, a 7th century monk, wrote about the destination: "a heart that is in the likeness of God."
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Let yourself be persecuted, but do not persecute others.
Be crucified, but do not crucify others.
Be slandered, but do not slander others.
Rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep: such is the sign of purity.
Suffer with the sick.
Be afflicted with sinners.
Exult with those who repent.
Be the friend of all, but in your spirit remain alone.
Be a partaker of the sufferings of all, but keep your body distant from all.
Rebuke no one, revile no one, not even those who live very wickedly.
Spread your cloak over those who fall into sin, each and every one, and shield them.
And if you cannot take the fault on yourself and accept punishment in their place, do not destroy their character.

What is a merciful heart? It is a heart on fire for the whole of creation, for humanity, for the birds, for the animals, for demons, and for all that exists. By the recollection of them the eyes of a merciful person pour forth tears in abundance. By the strong and vehement mercy that grips such a person’s heart, and by such great compassion, the heart is humbled and one cannot bear to hear or to see any injury or slight sorrow in any in creation. For this reason, such a person offers up tearful prayer continually even for irrational beasts, for the enemies of the truth, and for those who harm her or him, that they be protected and receive mercy. And in like manner such a person prays for the family of reptiles because of the great compassion that burns without measure in a heart that is in the likeness of God.
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If Neil deGrasse Tyson had a "church" I could go to every Sunday and listen to him, I'd be so there.