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MARCH 28, 2012 4:15PM

If Trayvon were White

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I know a seventeen-year-old boy who stays at his dad’s house sometimes.  He’s a good kid, but like all kids his age, he can be impulsive and a little stupid. He loves to play Xbox, he’s good to his siblings, and he loves his mother. His grades fluctuate -- sometimes a lot -- but he’s a talented kid. He has a couple of sketchy friends who hold some sway over him, but he tries to keep his nose clean. Sometimes he fails. Last fall, he got suspended for selling a small amount of drugs to a classmate. Like nearly every teenaged kid in America, his outfit of choice is a hoodie and jeans. Sometimes he wears the hood up, especially if it’s chilly or rainy outside. If he were followed by a guy in a truck through his dad’s urban neighborhood, he’d probably be scared. He might even tell a friend on his cellphone about it. If he were approached by the stranger, he’d probably defend himself. He’s not big for his age -- maybe 140lbs or so, but I’ll bet he’d break someone’s nose if they approached him from nowhere and if he thought he were in danger. People tend to act that way when they are pursued.

 

This particular kid (and he’s not a hypothetical kid but a real one, whose name I withhold to protect his privacy) did not get shot in the chest. He’s a white kid with blue eyes, freckles and strawberry blond hair.  He lives in the suburbs of a major metropolitan area, in a very nice neighborhood populated by lawyers and doctors and influence peddlers. The parents of some of his classmates are household names. Every other weekend, he stays with his dad and stepmom in the city. The drug he sold was Ritalin, which he takes for ADD, which he should not have had in his backpack at school, and which he should not have been talked into selling. But he’s done a lot to make up for his bad choices. He has worked hard, and managed to get into college for next fall in spite of the suspension and criminal record. And if he were to go out for Skittles and a bottle of iced tea, hoodie or no hoodie, it is unlikely that anyone would find him suspicious.

 

But even if they did, and even if the unthinkable happened -- even if he had resorted to deadly force against a person who pursued him against the advice of the Police -- the man who shot him in the chest at point blank range wouldn’t have gone uncharged for over a month.  In fact, the boy’s face would have been all over the national news the instant it happened, and there would have been a rush to bring his killer to justice. There would be candlelight vigils at his suburban high school, where fellow students and his teachers would be interviewed. They would all talk about what a great kid he was.  About his contagious smile.  About the fact that his sometimes poor choices did not change the fact that he was a good kid.  That’s what would have happened to a white kid. If you need proof, just look at the media coverage of missing white kids vs. missing kids of any other color. Sixty five percent of kids who are abducted by a non-family member are minorities.  Name one of them.  I’ll wait.  

 

The other day, I wrote about how incensed I was that anyone would suggest that Martin’s wearing a hoodie had brought about his own death. Since then, the narrative has changed, but the victim blaming persists. Now, the kid is being portrayed as a rotten apple -- one who got suspended and flipped the bird and had tattoos, one whose backpack contained a substance believed to be marijuana and whose locker contained a “burglary tool” (a.k.a. a screwdriver). In other words, mining his social media presence (or in some cases, the social media sites of someone who shares his name) has revealed that he actually did deserve to get shot in the chest after all.  Or, maybe it just shows that he is a completely typical teenaged boy, like the blond, blue-eyed one I know. 

 

It is impossible to make sense of the fallout from Trayvon Martin’s death, no matter how hard I try.  There are some things that seem crystal clear, and others that make me feel like I’m living in a circus funhouse. 

 

Here’s what seems crystal clear to me: Regardless of what happened when George Zimmerman approached Trayvon Martin, there is zero question that Zimmerman instigated contact with an unarmed minor and set in motion a chain of events that led inexorably to that minor’s death.  Did Martin use deadly force against Zimmerman?  One eye witness says so.  But if that's the case, why doesn’t Florida’s Stand Your Ground law, the very one the police are using to pardon Zimmerman’s actions, not apply to the person who stood his ground when threatened by an armed man? 

 

Here’s what else I don’t understand. What greater good does it serve to deny the role that racism played in this tragedy? Some have pointed out that Zimmerman could not have been motivated by racism because he’s not white, and because some of his friends are black. Um...okay.  So now racism is the sole provenance of white people? And we've heard that I'm-not-a-racist-because-some-of-my-best-friends-are-black fallacy too many times before.  I heard someone else bemoan the fact that a recent hate crime perpetrated by black kids against a white teenager wasn’t getting the media attention that Martin’s death was. Why would calling a crime against a black boy racially motivated somehow excuse hate crimes against white people?  It makes my head ache to even try to follow that logic. I don’t understand how it helps anyone not to look at this crime with clear eyes.  Trayvon Martin is dead because he was black, and if he weren’t, he would be alive today.  It’s not race baiting to say so, it’s just stating the obvious.

 

 

 

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"Here’s what seems crystal clear to me: Regardless of what happened when George Zimmerman approached Trayvon Martin, there is zero question that Zimmerman instigated contact with an unarmed minor and set in motion a chain of events that led inexorably to that minor’s death."

Exactly.
Thank you. Should be cross-posted. R
Kate,

Nice effort, I do want justice here-the sooner the better for all. I absolutely agree that we as a society have somehow put less of a value on some lives which is disgusting.
What also troubles me is how the NYT times first made it a white on black hate crime using a cute picture of a 14 year old boy and never mentioning that Martin was 6'3". Then, when Zimmerman is found to be latino, they use the term "white latino" to describe him.
Things like that create mistrust from every corner and makes matters worse. Racism is real and blacks without question cannot feel like they are being considered" just another person" which is what we all truly want as a society.
Zimmerman was just another cop wannabee - self appointed, self important bullshit defender of the neighborhood. Here in Florida we call them "condo commandos". That sick SOB was walking around with a gun for which he had no need. If he saw anything suspicious all he had to do was call the cops. He was looking for trouble because he knew he was armed.

And you're dead right. If he had killed a white kid he would be in jail. If Trayvon Martin had taken his gun from him while defending himself and killed Zimmerman, he would be in jail.

Racist to the bone.

r
We will never know with certainty what transpired between Trayvon and Zimmerman. For one thing, this is a case of he said, he can't. For another, the "investigation" was fouled-up from the very beginning yet more proof -- as if any thinking person needed more proof -- that local govt is often not superior to federal govt. For another, the "stand you ground" law makes prosecution under these circumstances virtual impossible.

Instead, what we're witnessing is those who need to protect their backside -- or who have even darker motives -- are engaging in a despicable game of blame the victim. But that's the only avenue left when the facts -- such as they're known -- are not in your favor.

That said, I maintain Zimmerman will have a rough go of it -- if this case ever comes to court. For starters, he had no probable cause to pursue Trayvon, and he disobeyed a direct order to remain in his vehicle and let the police handle the situation. Further, his statement that "they always get away with it" clearly goes to motive and to the intent to take the law into his own hands.

There is one piece of forensic evidence that could put him away for a long time, and that is a determination of how far away Trayvon was when he was shot, and to a lesser extent the direction of the bullet. If it's determined that Trayvon was not within striking distance of Zimmerman, I believe he will almost certainly be convicted of a manslaughter or negligent homicide.

Stay tuned.
1/3 or more of the students in my AP English comp class are tall, young black men in hoodies. They excel. They're all going to college. Some have their pants below their butts. Who cares? Racism in the Martin case? I'd say so.
Jay Richer, And just why is it that a person who has one Hispanic parent and one white parent--and who, if news accounts are accurate, tends to identify as "white," which, of course, many Hispanics do, might not be able to act like a racist toward tall, black minors when the evidence so indicates? His 911 statements are enough for me. You might want to check out the forensic audio work CNN did on another epithet that Zimmerman is accused of muttering. It is so disgusting that I'm not going to write it here. And, as one who understands how forensic audio enhancement works, I believe Zimmerman did say it--and if he did, it seems to indicate a more or less pathological need to verbalize racist sentiments given that he was being recorded on a 911 line. Oh yes, and then there is the fact that he shot and killed the kid, gave a story that didn't make sense to the cop on the scene and did not appear via a videocam to have been in a fight. Speaking of forensics, the coroner found no evidence that Trayvon had been in a fight. Video and audio here: http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/as-police-chief-steps-aside-ac360-advances-trayvon-martin-story-with-technology-anderson_b117545
"Trayvon Martin is dead because he was black, and if he weren’t, he would be alive today. It’s not race baiting to say so, it’s just stating the obvious."

I guess when they were handing out crystal balls I ended up in the wrong line.

Of course, you can't possibly know that. It is pure speculation presented as fact. The only thing that we know, is that we don't know. The other thing I don't know is why it is important to you to present speculation as fact. Can't we wait until all the facts are known before making pronouncements on a person's innermost motivations?
Tom writes: "There is one piece of forensic evidence that could put him away for a long time, and that is a determination of how far away Trayvon was when he was shot, and to a lesser extent the direction of the bullet."

You mean we can wait for the evidence to be known before pronouncing Zimmerman guilty or innocent. There's an idea!
Mish, you're right, ideally we'd await the complete evidential results..

Except..

We may never get the complete evidential results. Ground's looking pretty shifty at the moment :(.

Rated for shades of gray.
@mishima666

Can you cite one example of a white child being murdered and his known murderer wasn't arrested.

Thanks
James writes: "Can you cite one example of a white child being murdered and his known murderer wasn't arrested."

You are presuming the issue in question: whether Zimmerman is guilty of murder.

According to Florida law " . . . the agency may not arrest the person for using force [in a self-defense situation] unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful." Florida statutes 776.032(2)

So the race and age of the person against whom lethal force is used are irrelevant. When self-defense has been asserted an arrest cannot be made without probable cause. That's the law. The police can't say "you killed the guy, so we're going to arrest you now and figure out later at our leisure how good your claim of self-defense is."

Zimmerman eventually may or may not be arrested, depending on the evidence. Given the law, there's nothing unusual about the fact that he wasn't arrested the night of the incident.
@mishima666

I have seen you cite the law several times, are you aware the authors of the law say Mr. Zimmerman has no harbor in their stand your ground law? Here is a link if you are interested http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/03/22/op-ed-from-stand-your-ground-author-trayvon-martins-alleged-attacker-not-covered-under-law-i-wrote/
@mishima666

My question was very straight forward - "Can you cite one example of a white child being murdered and his known murderer wasn't arrested".

You could not answer my question because that doesn't happen.

In the United States we arrest people who murder white children.

That is why people are outraged.
Anthony writes: "Here is a link . . . "

Ok, thanks, I read the piece. Whether or not Stand Your Ground applies depends on the facts of the case. But I don't think that a Stand Your Ground defense will even be used. Self-defense laws and related common law principles are complex. There are scenarios in which Zimmerman or Martin would be justified in using lethal force.

James writes: "You could not answer my question because that doesn't happen. In the United States we arrest people who murder white children. "

I couldn't answer the question, because I'm not aware of any similar situation. Which is to say that I am unaware of any situation in which a white person under 18 years of age has been shot and killed by someone asserting that it was done in self-defense after being physically attacked. However, I'm sure there are cases in which a white adult was shot and killed, and the shooter claimed self-defense and was not arrested. Unfortunately, since the newspapers often don't list the races of people involved in crimes, and since I don't have a white-people-shot-in-self-defense database, I can't cite any specific examples. If you have access to such information I'd love to see it.
Rated. I've had the same thoughts in my last post, you just said it better, more clearly.
No matter what happened, Zimmerman approached Martin after been told by police to back off. He obviously instigated the situation, and possibly scared the hell out of the kid who in turn put up a fight. At which point it seems Zimmerman decided not to take any chances and simply opened fire. If, however, Martin had been the one with a weapon, and fired on Zimmerman - standing his ground so to speak - I doubt he'd be free. They'd probably be checking out the lethal injection chemicals by now.
James -speechless on that one-can you narrow it down?
Great post, thank you for articulating what I have been too upset to get the words out as well as I would want to. It's so clear that Trayvon should be protected by the Stand Your Groud Law, not Zimmerman, who was the pursuer. The poor kid had every right to defend himself. He may have "friends who are black" - give me a break - but would he have pursued the kid with a gun if he were white? That is an ugly quiet part of racism - assuming the worst because fo someone's skin color - that a black kid in a hoodlie is automatically suspicious. This case just sickens me!
So upset I can't even spell!
If Trayvon were white, he'd be alive.
Correct, clearly put and provocative discussion. Makes my head and heart hurt.
@ Jay

When I was four years old a neighbor stopped by the house to inform my mother that she "did not approve" of her interracial marriage, because she felt that Blacks and Whites could be friends but husband and wife.

Here is the rub.

My Stepfather was Puerto Rican, most of his relatives looked Black, he just happened to be really light complexioned and looked white.

Years later I went to school with another Puerto Rican family, the oldest child and I were good friends but her siblings loved to call my siblings and I the N-Word. Her Mother was worried about my friendship with my classmate because she didn't want her child dating a N****.

Despite their obvious latino heritage, they considered themselves white.

A great friend of mine is from Spain, she considers herself a person of color, to most people she's just an exotic looking white girl.

If you grew up in the Northeast US you've encountered people who look like Black people, but say they're not Black they're Dominican, or Puerto Rican and they often claim to be white. So what if they're darker skinned than my brothers that they're hurling N-Bombs at.

The fact that Zimmerman is "Hispanic" doesn't change the dynamic of racism, in fact it indicates ignorance of it a it posits that Hispanics can't be racist or that there aren't Hispanics who consider themselves white and snap themselves into white dynamics of racism.

Case in point: on the Police report? Zimmerman is listed as white, NOT Hispanic.

And for the record, Hispanic is a ETHNIC group meaning that you're either have Spanish ancestry or were colonized by them, it's not a race.

For the record I'm technically Hispanic too, didn't stop Mrs. Garcia from telling her daughter that she'd better not be dating that N*****, or a whole family of brown people form insisting they were "White Puerto Ricans"

So what if they were significantly darker than my Step-dad who didn't always pass for white.
By the way I think the racist attacks on Trayvon validate the racist nature of not just the crime, but how people view it.

When you're "evidence" of a kid being dangerous is talking trash on twitter and smoking weed, well, we need to lock up 80-90% of all teenagers.

I went to a rich private college, I had notable politician's children as classmates, had other classmates who went to HS with other notables, not to mention the other dozens of wealthy children of notables.

The only people I knew at that school who didn't smoke weed were:

Me
Athletes who cared about their careers
Shut-ins with limited social lives

E.g. nearly everyone, in fact I struggle to think of anyone with a social life who didn't smoke weed, drink or do anything questionable in HS or college.

But oh, those kids were white so if they were shot these things wouldn't be mentioned.

If they got busted for drugs they got probation.

Meanwhile I couldn't even do drugs if I wanted to and my Dad is a Lawyer, because people would get busted and I knew I was going to jail, not going on probation.
Nichole Brown Simpson's name was dragged through the mud, as are most victims of crimes if the defendant has any decent attorney, as its a good strategy to deflect attention from the defendant. If at all possible, especially in such a high profile crime, that is what people try to do, if judges try to exclude it for obvious reasons. Unfortunately in a case like this, it is bound to happen, since unless something really weird comes out, it's not like there was any prior interaction, so it all hinges on how both sides to portray the other. That is why Zimmerman's domestic violence charge came into media light.
With all due respect to all of this, it never fails to amaze me how people talk, talk, talk, about this case and it’s mostly race, race, race– which is totally legitimate for that is the ugly underbelly in America. This infestation of racism pollutes our body politic and is a disgrace on a great Nation.

But what troubles me most is that people also talk, and jabber hysterically about this law when they haven’t even troubled themselves to go read the freakin’ statute  so they might at least have a thimble full of knowledge demonstrating they have a clue what they are talking about.  Essentially it comes down to what Randolph McLaughlin, attorney for the family of Kenneth Chamberlain said speaking about that case on Democracy Now and comparing the police there to Zimmerman here. You can’t provoke a situation and then respond to it, "Oh, I had to use deadly force to protect myself."  That really is all of it in a nutshell. Superbly stated.

But if we are going to trash a law (when the real trash is law enforcement) we should at least go read it. This is easy. This is not rocket science.  If anyone is going publish their opinions credibility helps.  The law in question here is really simple enough for a 17-year old to understand.

Read "Trayvon Martin: Defense a Pig-Sty Beneath a Racist Facade?"  as well as the follow up commentary and I think you will agree that the ONLY person who can rely on this law as a defense is Trayvon Martin.

Indeed, even as to the alleged fight that broke out the legal consequence is the same. Under the plain and simple language of this law and the facts as we know them, The ONLY man with a right to stand his ground was Trayvon Martin and the only one legally authorized by law to meet force with force as that 6' 3" 140 lg boy against a 5. 9' 240lb gorilla with a gun.  

“Suspicion” will NOT suffice under this statute. Read it. Much more  must be specifically shown.  Did Trayvon fight back? Is this even a relevant question? If you were 140 lb  skinny teenager  displaying none of the BEHAVIOR SPECIFICALLY required before one can even evoke this statute (just read it!) and 250 gorilla jumps out of a car and comes after you as you are retreated from his aggression what would you do?  What would and person do? Waht they have a right to! Stand your ground and meet force with force if necessary to prevent great bodily harm.

Notice, once you read this simple and clear law, one person and one person only has the factual and legal right to assert on their behalf.  And that ONE person was Travyon Martin.  I rest my case.
Frank writes: "Notice, once you read this simple and clear law, one person and one person only has the factual and legal right to assert on their behalf. And that ONE person was Travyon Martin. I rest my case."

And what a poor case it is.

You cannot apply the law without knowing the facts. At this point we don't not have enough facts to know how to apply the law.

At this point no one has been able to lay out an accurate order of events -- where Zimmerman was when he first saw Martin and where Martin was, where Zimmerman was when he called police, when and where Zimmerman was when he got out of his vehicle, how Zimmerman followed Martin (if he did "follow him" rather than simply trying to ascertain where Martin was), at what point Zimmerman lost track of Martin (if he did), when Martin first became aware of Zimmerman, at what point and where Zimmerman came in conversation range of Martin, what Zimmerman and Martin said to each other (if they did say anything to each other), how Zimmerman and Martin came within reach of each other, how the altercation developed, etc., etc. These and many other questions need to be answered before we can know how the law should be applied.

This is why we have investigations. The police need to take Zimmerman's statement, the statements of witnesses, the physical and forensic evidence, and the layout of the crime scene, and assemble all of that into a fact set -- what happened, where it happened, and when it happened, as much as it is possible to know. And THEN the law can be applied.

But the idea that some guy in Pocatello, Idaho or wherever can take some news reports and Florida statutes and make a pronouncement on who can assert what rights is absurd. And your comment about the skinny teenager vs. the gorilla shows that you know absolutely nothing about the legal principles regarding the use of lethal force in self-defense. Massad Ayoob, the nation's leading expert on the topic, has written a number of books and articles on the use of lethal force in self-defense, and I recommend those to you if you would like to educate yourself.
Frank writes: "Notice, once you read this simple and clear law, one person and one person only has the factual and legal right to assert on their behalf. And that ONE person was Travyon Martin. I rest my case."

And what a poor case it is.

You cannot apply the law without knowing the facts. At this point we don't not have enough facts to know how to apply the law.

At this point no one has been able to lay out an accurate order of events -- where Zimmerman was when he first saw Martin and where Martin was, where Zimmerman was when he called police, when and where Zimmerman was when he got out of his vehicle, how Zimmerman followed Martin (if he did "follow him" rather than simply trying to ascertain where Martin was), at what point Zimmerman lost track of Martin (if he did), when Martin first became aware of Zimmerman, at what point and where Zimmerman came in conversation range of Martin, what Zimmerman and Martin said to each other (if they did say anything to each other), how Zimmerman and Martin came within reach of each other, how the altercation developed, etc., etc. These and many other questions need to be answered before we can know how the law should be applied.

This is why we have investigations. The police need to take Zimmerman's statement, the statements of witnesses, the physical and forensic evidence, and the layout of the crime scene, and assemble all of that into a fact set -- what happened, where it happened, and when it happened, as much as it is possible to know. And THEN the law can be applied.

But the idea that some guy in Pocatello, Idaho or wherever can take some news reports and Florida statutes and make a pronouncement on who can assert what rights is absurd. And your comment about the skinny teenager vs. the gorilla shows that you know absolutely nothing about the legal principles regarding the use of lethal force in self-defense. Massad Ayoob, the nation's leading expert on the topic, has written a number of books and articles on the use of lethal force in self-defense, and I recommend those to you if you would like to educate yourself.
If TM were white, there would be no substantial publicity. Those whose living and/or political power depend upon stirring up racial discord have no interest in white-on-white crime or, for that matter, black-on-black crime.