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Award winning journalist Gary Baumgarten hosts the News Talk Online show on Paltalk.com. He asks critical questions, and invites people from all around the world to talk directly to his newsmaker guests using Paltalk's voice over IP technology. Gary came to Paltalk as director of news and programming from CNN where he was the radio bureau chief and correspondent in New York for a decade, where he covered, among other things, the 9/11 attacks in New York and Hurricane Katrina. He was previously reporter and assistant news director at CBS all news radio station WWJ in Detroit. Prior to that he was managing editor at Detroit Radio News Service and a reporter for the Jackson (MI) Citizen-Patriot, the Detroit News and a number of weekly newspapers. Paltalk is the largest multimedia interactive program on the Internet with more than 4 million unique users. News Talk Online is also syndicated by CRN Digital Talk Radio to cable systems serving an additional 12 million households.

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JULY 25, 2010 10:54PM

Candidate questions Islam as a religion

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By GARY BAUMGARTEN
Paltalk News Network

It's the kind of thing that's usually discussed privately. But now, Tennessees Lieutenant Governor Ron Ramsey - who is running for governor - is asking it publicly.



Ramsey, at a recent community forum, was asked about a planned mosque in Rutherford County, Tennessee. 

"I'm all about freedom of religion," Ramsey answered.

"But you cross the line when they start trying to bring Sharia law in the United States."

Ramsey believes that Muslims follow Sharia law and don't believe the Constitution of the United State applies to them.

"You can even argue," he said, "whether Muslim is actually a religion or if it is a nationality way of life or a cult ... we do protect our religions but at the same time this is something that we are going to have to face."

In other words, if Islam isn't really a religion, is it protected by the Constitution?

There are others who take it even further. Radio talk show host Michael Savage refers to Islam as Islamo-fascism. Words designed to raise angst among many - especially America's Jewish population.

"Would you want a Nazi headquarters opened in your neighborhood?" asked a friend who subscribes to this theory.

"Islam is no different than Nazism, except that it's disguised as a religion."

So if you don't recognize Islam as a religion - if you substitute the word "cult" as did Ramsey - then it's OK to oppose it. After all, this nation was founded by those who sought freedom of religion. But if Islam is not a religion - well then, heck, it's OK to attack it.

It and its followers.

This, of course, is the same kind of tactic used against Jews, blacks and other minorities. If a Jew or a black is a son of a monkey, then he is less than human, and deserves our scorn. Or worse.

More than a few people I know are fearful that every mosque is a center of terrorism. A concern raised by those who successfully derailed the agreed upon sale of a vacant convent at St. Margaret Mary Roman Catholic Church on Staten Island to a Muslim organization that wanted to use it for a mosque.

The Council on American Islamic Relations is concerned as well.

"We see a disturbing trend in our nation in which it is suggested that American Muslims should have fewer or more restricted constitutional rights than citizens of other faiths," said CAIR spokesman Ibrahim Hooper. "We urge Lt. Gov. Ramsey to meet with representatives of the Tennessee Muslim community who can offer him balanced and accurate information about Islam."

Yes, it is undeniable that there are Muslim terrorists who use their religion as validation for their actions. But that doesn't mean that every mosque is a hotbed of terrorism. Or that Islam is not a religion. Or that Muslims don't deserve the same constitutional protections afforded the rest of us.

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"... whether Muslim is actually a religion or if it is a nationality way of life or a cult"

Same with Christianity. It's totally clear if it's a Anglo-Saxon race, a cult with enough members that calling it a cult causes public outrage but is no less the truth, or if it is a way of life that is unrelated to a old book nobody reads but everybody quotes.

"Yes, it is undeniable that there are Muslim terrorists who use their religion as validation for their actions. But that doesn't mean that every mosque is a hotbed of terrorism. Or that Islam is not a religion. Or that Muslims don't deserve the same constitutional protections afforded the rest of us."

Here, here.

It is also undeniable that Christian terrorism has risen in the U.S. since Obama took office. But even using the term "Christian terrorism" really pisses some people off.

I wonder why?
I'd like to see how far he'd get if he questioned Judaism as a religion, or called Joseph Lieberman a "Judeo-Fascist." The labels change, the hatred remains the same. Now, Christo-Fascist - that's a term I can wrap my mind around, Mr. Ramsey.

Remind me - why was Helen Thomas fired again...?

History will not look kindly on our era.

Rated.
This is ridiculous and narrow minded, to say the least. There are plenty of Christians who use their religion as a defense for their terrorist actions. So we tear down all the churches?

Ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh.
Just refer to Katy B's blog on the front page along with yours to see the evidence.
Oh, we're in for a world of hurt here in Tennessee. The lone Democrat doesn't stand a chance, and the three leading Republicans are all pretty reprehensible.
It's extremists who give any religion a bad name!
I'm from Tennessee and I've been very upset by the combative negative tone of all the campaign adds lately. All of them say things like "If you want to stop Pelosi" or "If you want to repeal O'bama care" or "they're coming for our guns".
Not one candidate has actually addressed an issue except for some vague references to making new jobs. I'm not optimistic.
In hindsight, we should have let the perpetually third-world South secede. Instead, it has become a breeding ground for ignorant Christian terrorists.
Sign me,
The Lone Haranguer, Unrepentant Socialist in Tennessee
Somehow, I can't get past the absolute ignorance in the quote. Of course Muslim is not a religion. Muslim is the name of a member of Islam, not the religion. It's impossible to shame these people about their ignorance. They are proud of their ignorance.
actually, alqaeda tends to spell out western policies, actions, and simple crimes as a validation of their actions. it's only the wannabees who cast it simply as west vs. islam.

but it is true that the usa in particular has managed to enrage so many muslims that the distinction is losing force.
Of course Islam is a religion. It posits the existence of an omnipotent, omniscient, spook whose orders, as interpreted by mortal power mongers, must be obeyed. By exactly the same token, Christianity, Judaism, and other groups too humorous to mention are clearly religions.

But so what? Outside the realm of taxation (which, in my view, should apply to all institutions, religious or not) it's a fool's errand to fret about whether a specific group or cult is a religion or not.

Ah, yes, some may say, if a group is a "religion," the U.S. Constitution prohibits inhibition of the free exercise thereof. But surely any functioning intelligence understands that this confers no license to engage in behavior that violates U.S. law or U.S. moral standards.

Plopping down on prayer rugs is surely silly and can be somewhat inconvenient in certain circumstances. That particular "exercise" can be tolerated. Flying planes into highly populated buildings and familial honor homicides are quite another matter.

The conduct in the United States of Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, or whatever must be judged by the standard of law and values of the United States. The status of such conduct under any "religion" is irrelevant.