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FEBRUARY 22, 2012 7:41AM

Questioning Obama's Faith

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                             Obama in church 

Rick Santorum has been in the headlines lately, after throwing heaping handfuls of red meat to the Republican base to try to solidify his lead in the Michigan polls. He said he believes that Obama adheres to “some phony theology. Not a theology based on the bible. A different theology.”

Santorum is using one of the oldest tricks in politics. You paint your opponent as “not one of us” to light up the primitive part of a person’s brain that triggers instinctive fear of someone who is from outside your tribe. No matter how civilized we think we are, this fear of the “other” has led to countless genocides and wars throughout history, and it’s also a handy tool to help politicians win elections.

Rick Santorum   

Santorum later walked back his remarks, saying he was talking about Obama’s environmental policies that oppose greater use of the country’s natural resources, because “Obama believes man is here to serve the earth.” He also suggested that Obama practices one of the “different stripes of Christianity.”  

He said this because Rick Santorum follows a fundamentalist version of Christianity called Dominion Theology, which teaches that society must be controlled by biblical law, and not by secular laws or mores. Dominionists believe that the sole purpose of nature and its resources are for the use of mankind only, and that there are enough resources to last until God destroys the earth again and “raptures” his chosen ones up to heaven.

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This theology seems to work pretty well for the large corporations that are intent on shearing the tops off of mountains to strip mine coal, fracking underground for natural gas and possibly polluting water supplies, drilling for oil everywhere, cutting rain forests to grow palm plants for cheap oil, and dozens of other insults to the environment. The officers of those companies may only worship the almighty dollar, but they still fit pretty well inside Rick Santorum’s tent.

 

pollution   

Now, as to the question of President Obama’s faith: The Merriam-Webster dictionary defines faith as “A firm belief in something for which there is no proof.”  I’ve always wondered, why do Americans want the person who has the ability to launch nuclear weapons and destroy the world to believe in things for which there are no proof?  If we learned anything from George W. Bush’s presidency, it’s that we want the president to be someone who leans a little more to the factual side of things. 

Rick Santorum and the Republican Right have been intimating that Obama is not a true Christian, although no one can really know what is in another’s heart. But whatever he is, he’s smart enough to know that it’s almost impossible in America to get elected without professing a belief in Jesus and attending church.  Even if he does that just for show, and I don’t think he does, Obama is still a good hearted, intelligent guy who is trying to do his best for our country, despite the derogatory remarks from fundamentalists like Mr. Santorum. 

And Rick Santorum, since he believes life on earth is just an inconvenient temporary stop on the road to heaven, should never be given the opportunity to press that red launch button in order to see his God a little bit sooner.

 

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Does Barack Obama actively and knowingly support torture? YES

Does Barack Obama actively and knowingly support assassination? YES

Does Barack Obama actively and knowingly support the destruction of Habeus Corpus? YES

I don't question his faith, because that is silly. I question his morals, though. I question Santorum's as well.

Don't you?
Even if he does that just for show, and I don’t think he does, Obama is still a good hearted, intelligent guy who is trying to do his best for our country, despite the derogatory remarks from fundamentalists like Mr. Santorum.

That about sums it up, Frank. You got it right. Thanks for saying it here, although you will get people who disagree.
As for Malcolm’s questions, I would like to offer my answers:

Does Barack Obama actively and knowingly support torture? YES

No, I don’t think so. I think he considers torture to be an abomination. But he is a pragmatist…and as president he sometimes has to “go along” with things he would rather not.


Does Barack Obama actively and knowingly support assassination? YES

No, I don’t think so. I think he considers assassination to be an abomination. But he is a pragmatist…and as president he has to do things that help protect American citizens that probably he would rather not.


Does Barack Obama actively and knowingly support the destruction of Habeus Corpus? YES

No, I don’t think so. I think he considers Habeas Corpus to be a reasonable part of American jurisprudence, but he is a pragmatist and as president he has to do things to help protect American citizens from attack that probably he would rather not.

A majority of Americans now support torture under certain circumstances…some supporting it reluctantly and some enthusiastically.

A significant majority of Americans now support assassination of known terrorists…some supporting it slightly reluctantly, but most supporting it enthusiastically.

A majority of Americans support suspension of habeas corpus for suspected terrorists. Bush suspended habeas corpus during his administration; FDR suspended them during his administration; Abraham Lincoln suspended them during his administration.

It is a complicated world…and presidents must conjure up complicated solutions and resolutions for complicated problems. To question their “morals” for doing what often must be done…is not thinking very deeply.
"If we learned anything from George W. Bush’s presidency, it’s that we want the president to be someone who leans a little more to the factual side of things." Agreed, and a president who thinks a bit more about the common good, including how we leave the world for future generations.
I'm with clay ball.
Frank Apisa, if that's what pragmatism means, then we have sunk really low. No president has to "go along" with torture and assassination. I'm really surprised this needs to be said.

Other than that, terrific post, Frank Michels. (And you know that we live in a state where you can't be elected to public office unless you profess a belief in god, right?)
Santorum and "little red button" = fear and loathing.
Ben Franklin said those who would sacrifice liberty for security shall have neither since his signature is on the original Constitution, I'm going to take his word that he said what he meant. For me that means that those who claim that you must give up one for the other are not that fond of either.
You're asking the moron if obama supports torture and he has already stated that he doesn't think shrub (nor obama) do, despite the FACT that shrub admitted as much in his book.

You're dealing with a seventy-seven old idiot, who doesn't know his as* from his elbow.

Yes, Frank, as Your blog points out santorum IS despicable, but he is NOT as of yet a war criminal.


-R-
Some really excellent points here, Frank. Definitely EP material.
What Santorum means is that White Catholics can go to church on Sunday, still use birth control, but be considered "real" Christians; evangelical WASPs can use the absurd barely over a century old fairy tales they use in church to off-set their guilt over drinking and carousing Saturday nights- BUT: if some BLACK FOLKS want to continue to incorporate their church and faith as they have for many centuries after being forced into it, well, that is some dangerous darkies!!!
I'm not religious at all...but I'm pretty sure that Jesus wouldn't recognize any of them as a Christian. As far as I'm concerned, it would actually be preferable if Obama was agnostic or whatever, rather than purporting to believe in Christ, yet being so pro-war and indefinite detention and all the rest. That Santorum is considered a viable presidential candidate by anyone - is incomprehensible to me. Terrific post.
Soooo, it sort of looks like anyone can comment here, even if the comments are not germane to the original post, ehem, and so

Hey come and read my fiction (just clicky click my name right below)

Also, I like the way you approach the issue and your editorial is clear and direct. Well done
I'm with Clayball, too.

And I'm with you, also Frank(Michaels). Keeping Dominionist Christians out of the White House is essential to everyone's safety. I happen to think taking care of our only home in the universe is incredibly important.

If "Faith" means not blowing up the world while in a state of religious ecstasy, then Obama's is good enough for me!

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obama got daily updates on Bradley manning. he knows when it happens, and despite his ability to order HIS troops to stop, he does not.

he BRAGGED about assassinating al Alwaki, and stated that there's a list with more American citizens.

his onlt issue with NDDA was the lack of final Executive authority and that bill allows for indefinite detention without criminal charges. he signed it.

you're on crack, frank.
the ends NEVER justify the means. The world is not that complex...only as much as we make it.
assassination = pragmatism...awesome. why has no one thought of this before?
Assassination and pragmatism are like one another in that they are words. Words are funny things, and perhaps are best approached with the philosophy of, “The finger pointing at the moon is not the moon.”

But what is assassination other than another word for murder? And if our president is the commander in chief of the military, and the military assassinates a whole bunch of people as part of their mission, oh I’m sorry, I mean, “Kills”, then doesn’t that make him, by association, a murderer? Is war, murder? And how is the murder, the taking of a life, of a man or woman made more or less significant by their association with a particular government, citizenship?

You crow this argument quite loudly, but in some respects it is a hollow argument. If the President of the United States is a criminal because of the act of assassination of an American citizen who knowingly and willingly acted to bring great harm to the citizens of this nation, if that is your argument, you have seriously missed the mark by a significant margin. Every one of us is implicit in the taking of even one innocent life in Afghanistan, aren’t we? No? Why not?

It must seem easy, for you, to judge the man based upon the words you have placed such tremendous significance in, and while I would be foolish to want to engage in an argument with you about how you have decided it is your mission to enlighten us all about the horrors of letting even one man or woman die for the cause of protecting American lives, I, for one, could not be the man any of our Presidents must be. For it requires decisions that must be made that question right and wrong in ways your simple minded arguments cannot address, and I could not make. To be the President of the United States does not mean to endorse assassination, or to be pragmatic, but to be the best man you can possibly be, even when that means you will be condemned by those who do not understand the complexities and weight of the decisions someone has to make.
Condemn him for what you see as faults, that is your prerogative, but please reconsider how it is that you have been burdened with convincing everyone else that what you see, is what we all must see.

I voted for Obama. I do not condone the taking of lives for the purpose of continuing a “War on Terrorism”, and I thank God, that I am not the one who must decide if that war should, or should not be fought, or that I must make that decision knowing that whatever is decided, human lives will be lost, mothers will suffer the deaths of their children, and people will wonder if it was really the right thing to do, no matter what.
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Assassination is a special kind of murder, highly tied to Cannabis and the Middle East, since we're talking about the words themselves.

al Alwaki was an AMERICAN CITIZEN. His crimes, if he was guilty of them (since he didn't receive a trial), were not causing direct harm to anyone in the moment, and assassinating him did not prevent a damn thing, except to silence AN AMERICAN CITIZEN who was EXERCISING HIS 1ST AMENDMENT RIGHT to free speech. He was just using it to be incredibly anti-US Government.

(and, even if he was guilty, he was a low level Al Queda recruiter...like a scout for the Boston Red Sox or something...there was no need to assassinate him, and a trial would have been of danger to anyone, any more than any other trial for treason would have been)

THIS IS THE SLIPPERY SLOPE YOU DIPSHITS.

What if Santorum does get into office? What if he decides he's gonna assassinate all active members of the ACLU, or at least detain them indefinitely and torture them while doing so.

THIS IS THE WORLD THAT OBAMA HAS OPENED UP FOR US ALL.

If you don't see that and think it is abhorrent, you are a retard who deserves your cell in "re-education" camp.
Malcolm wrote:

His crimes, if he was guilty of them (since he didn't receive a trial), were not causing direct harm to anyone in the moment, and assassinating him did not prevent a damn thing, except to silence AN AMERICAN CITIZEN who was EXERCISING HIS 1ST AMENDMENT RIGHT to free speech. He was just using it to be incredibly anti-US Government.

(and, even if he was guilty, he was a low level Al Queda recruiter...like a scout for the Boston Red Sox or something...there was no need to assassinate him, and a trial would have been of danger to anyone, any more than any other trial for treason would have been)


Tell us how you KNOW “his crimes” were not causing direct harm to anyone in the moment…

Tell us how you KNOW that assassinating him did not prevent one damn thing…

Tell us how you KNOW he was only a low level al Queda recruiter…

Just tell us how you KNOW those things so we can better evaluate the conclusions you drew from them.
For people who invest everything in the Constitution, it seems convenient to ignore it...."there should be no religious test". All the hubbub about whether or not he's Muslim...so what if he is? It's all quite sickening.
" . . . you are a retard who deserves your cell in "re-education" camp."

Yes, Malcom, fRANK is brain-challenged, but I doubt re-education will help.

Notice how he ALWAYS demands answers to his questions, but never, NEVER deigns to answer questions put to him.

This moron runs around the house with a red, white, and blue jock strap draped over his "head" and thinks it's haute couture; mixes 1/2 his bullsh*t with horsesh*t and thinks he's created pate.