Diane Barth

Diane Barth
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Psychotherapist and author in NYC; specialist in the area of eating disorders and college issues; specialist in attachment issues

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JANUARY 26, 2012 1:48PM

Is Sadness a Mental Illness?

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Brenda* was having troubles keeping it together. She had always been someone who cried easily – her brothers teased her because tears would stream down her face during tv commercials – but now, at the age of thirty-two, she was a veritable waterworks. She often had to excuse herself from meetings at work to go into the bathroom, where she locked herself into a stall and sobbed into her hands.

Brenda’s family and friends encouraged her to see a shrink. “It’s not normal,” they told her. So she went to a psychiatrist, who did an extensive interview with her and discovered that she and her longterm boyfriend had broken up several weeks earlier. “So what you’re feeling is completely normal,” the psychiatrist told her. “You’re in mourning, just as if he had died. I’m not going to prescribe any medication for you right now, since you don’t have a history of depression, and I think this will get better. In my experience, it usually takes about six months.”

Brenda’s heart sank as he said that. She was hoping that she would start feeling better right away. She didn’t think she could handle six months of these feelings. “I know they’re painful,” the psychiatrist continued. “And I think it would help you to see someone to talk about what you’re feeling and find some ways to manage the pain.” He gave her a name and phone number and encouraged her to call right away, then added, “if you’re not feeling at least a little better in a couple of months, or if you’re feeling worse, call me right away. But even though I know I said it takes six months, I meant that’s about how long it takes for the grieving.  I think with the help of a good therapist you’ll start to feel better, a little bit at a time, pretty quickly.”

How did the psychiatrist know the difference between grief and depression? Ever since Freud wrote about the difference between what he called “mourning” and “melancholy” (which today we would call depression), mental health practitioners have struggled to make this distinction. The simple rule of thumb has been that mourning is a normal, albeit painful process, and that we tend to emerge from the worst part within six months to a year after the initial crisis (although feelings of sadness and loss can and often do go on for longer than that and still be normal).  Melancholy, or depression, tends to have a longer shelf-life and does not always show improvement over time.

The psychiatrist explained some of the reasons for his conclusion, including the information that Brenda had recently gone through a painful breakup, and that she did not have a history of depressive symptoms. These differences are spelled out in the DSMIV, the diagnostic and statistical manual of the American Psychiatric Association. This handbook, which is used by insurance companies for decisions about compensation, is undergoing significant and controversial revision right now. According to an article in the New York Times on January 24, 2012, one of the areas of revision is exactly the question of the difference between depression and grieving.

For my money, I’m perfectly happy for the fifth edition, or the DSMV (which is what it will be called) to include grieving under the rubric of depression, if it means that insurance companies will pay for therapy to help people cope with the stresses that often accompany loss. But I’m distressed by the idea, described by Dr. Alan Horwitz and Dr. Jerome Wakefiled in their book  The Loss of Sadness, that in a society where we already run from strong feelings, we’re now going to see sadness and grief as a sickness.  

The good news? Maybe this will encourage people to learn to pay a different kind of attention to our feelings. For example, Brenda went to therapy and not only found someone who would listen sympathetically to her repetitions of the pain she felt when her boyfriend suddenly announced that the relationship was over, but also found a professional who was interested in what had made this happen. As Brenda put it, “I learned to listen to thoughts I had never even spoken out loud in my own head. I discovered what I had already known for awhile – that neither one of us was really happy anymore, that I suspected that he wanted out, and that actually, I wanted out as well. I was afraid to even think those thoughts at first. They didn’t make me any happier. I was still sad that things had gone so badly. But I discovered that I had the power to make some other changes in my life. I wasn’t just a helpless victim. I mourned the loss and started to move forward.”

A year later, Brenda had found a man who she thought she could see spending the rest of her life with. “But I learned to listen to my own thoughts, and to share them with him. And to encourage him to talk to me, as well. I realized that the unspoken words were only scary because of what they meant. And that it was a lot better to have them out in the open and be able to respond to problems directly than to wait until things blew up and couldn’t be fixed.”

Feelings are often clues to what the psychoanalyst Christopher Bollas has called “the unthought known” – that is, things we know but are afraid to say aloud even inside our own heads. Putting feelings and unthought knowledge together makes it possible to move forward and, maybe a little paradoxically, to deal with the feelings in a healthy way. That may be the worst danger from the new DSMV – that it encourages us to get rid of those thoughts, to push them down with diagnoses and medications; but maybe it will do the opposite. Maybe broadening the diagnosis of depression will encourages us to go into therapy and start to think about what we are feeling. That can’t be all bad. 

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It's a good thing, but should also be covered under PTSD, or the latter diagnosis should be broadened to include grief. My view.
I have not studied this issue, though I am a Master's level counselor. But i am not in the field at this point.
I agree with you. Sadness does not fall under the umbrella of "mental illness." Sadness is a normal emotion, not something to be washed away by a pill. I speak from living with a mentally ill parent and suffering from depression and anxiety myself over the years. We can't be happy all the time, not normal!
Patrick -- it's a very interesting comment! I wonder if the people working on the DSMV are looking at the links between PTSD and grieving.
Erica, clearly yours is the voice of experience. And I agree -- although it may be painful, it's not normal not to feel a whole range of feelings. There's a psychologist named Virginia Demos who says we need that range of feelings to be healthy -- that all of our feelings serve important purposes. To me, the real struggle is to find ways to listen to and also to manage the feelings and to integrate them into a healthy lifestyle.
Patrick -- I've been thinking a lot about your comment. Do you know if grieving is generally included under PTSD diagnoses? It seems like such an important part of the process. Anyone reading this -- do you know?
I know that we "bumped" on the Feed.

I am never certain if I know anything.
Keeper - email cc to PTSD therapist.

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sleeping beside
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out-of-town spouse
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a family's gift . . .
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teen-aged engineer
using a garage door
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Barack Obama
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Nobel laureate
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fun awaken read on a rant/rain
grey day, and I say`for love of
potato soup, and apple pie too
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It's unfortunate that people have to have "labels" in order to get help through life's roadblocks. Some might say that most depression is rooted in grief of some degree. Grief sent me into severe depression, which needed treatment and without a diagnosis, I'd not be able to get it. I think it rests with the therapist to recognize what the patient is grieving for, and work through that instead of labeling. I totally agree that we live in a time when feeling, crying, experiencing bad feelings is seen as not part of life, but a sickness.
I don't care how some professionals/experts classify grief or depression. If here's a treatment plan and prescription drugs, rest assured more people will be taking more prescription drugs than previously.

When I'm sad, I cry. When I'm depressed, I don't take drugs. I get up and do something to alleviate and elevate natural chemicals existing in me by performing physical exercises and eating healthy foods also known to alter elevations of chemical imbalances/hormones/mood swings/metabolisms.
http://ptsd.about.com/od/symptomsanddiagnosis/a/hippocampus.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/
Diane, when helping my niece deal with terminal illness last year, I consulted oncologists, counselors, social workers and hospice caregivers in person, online and in studies to find information and coping strategies, especially for her two children. Without exception, all compared profound grief to PTSD.

The impact of losing a parent, child, spouse, special loved one is literally devastating and can have long term effects. I wrote a lot here about our 2 1/2 yr journey and it's aftermath. Here's one that speaks directly to your wonderful, thought-provoking post: Healing in Bed with Grey's Anatomy.
very interesting! Thanks for this.
Acknowledging grief and sadness is so much healthier than evading those feelings. Remember Archie Bunker telling Edith to stifle? That's the way many of us were raised, back in the day.
Actually the APA version slated to be released in 2013 will be formally titled DSM 5 not DSMV.
I also think it's interesting that sadness was once considered a sin--I guess ultimately it couldn't cut it with peers like sloth, lust, and greed. But fascinating nonetheless. nice post!
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*%# and that DSMV
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alot of labels. sadness, grief, depression.

it all comes down to if or if not u can overcome it "naturally"
whatever the hell that means.

a woman loses her husband of 50 yrs.
he did everything for her.
she now has no support
system. she is sad,
but also anxious
about her future.
how will she cope?


what is that? that is horrifying to me.
helplessness AND sadness...

Grieving has a process. But all processes can be...
interrupted..before they work themselves out,
from contingencies..

each case, each man or woman, is a unique
psycosomatic organism worthy of
specialized treatement.

it'll never happen, but alas...

angst and fear is the existential condition,
even before you lose your anchor.

it all depends on..your friends..and loved ones...
not diagnoses, not drugs,
it depends on love.
Sadly, we live in a culture where psych drugs are promoted like candy and no one is really taught how to cope with LIFE. Yes, the drugs can and do help and save many, but why are we reading pathology into everything now? Grief manifests in many ways and everyone has their own time, some people take years to go through that . . . that doesn't mean they need to be "diagnosed" By all means if someone becomes self destructive and needs help, then they should be able to do so, but grief and sadness alone are NOT an illness.
Why is it that people in the West, or industrialized society in general, are suffering so much from depression? You never hear about people in the jungle, or bedouin, people who actually worry about survival, talking about how sad they are. I am sympathetic for the chronically depressed. That said, I wonder if alot of this is just due to suburban boredom, the breakdown of true social order (no real community, belonging, a sense of purpose anymore) a lack of life purpose and pharmaceutical companies trying to pump us full of drugs.

Depression IS real. That said, it is INCREDIBLY high in some countries, compared to others. And this is what interests me.
Why can't people live for the rest of their lives in pain over the death of someone they loved and not be considered abnormal? It would seem to me to be abnormal to say that one can simply go through some kind of "process," toute suite, and come through it. That way of looking at things has always seemed to me to belong to a sort of psychology that functions mostly as a way of getting people back on their feet, no matter what, as quickly as possible, for the sake of productivity. A market psychology. And that's exactly what psychology has become, in every way.

It's a disgusting, inhuman way of living, and without an ounce of real passion. Ah, to grieve...and grieve some more...that is a real experience. I can certainly see how someone would do that for the rest of their lives.
...and they would be a far more interesting person to be around than some weird little "functional" robot.
Please don't medicate away real, true feelings. If someone does not experience grief, which can last from months to years (though it should be more in the background than the foreground as time goes by), then I would question that person's sanity. I saw a physician medicate someone who was deeply grieving her husband's brain tumor and she became vegetative, until we convinced him to take her off the medication, when she became normal, again.
As for the DSMIV, we don't need more diagnoses, as 309.00-Adjustment Disorder with Depressed Mood-covers grief therapy just fine. Counseling is a good idea if the grief doesn't subside with social support over time, if it takes over one's life, clouds one's perspective, impairs one's functioning in major life areas, and grows into the deep melancholy and real, palpable depression you've described in your excellent article.
Manhattankid is correct. I think he answers my questions in more ways than 1.
Manhattankid is correct. I think he answers my questions in more ways than 1.
To quote Captain Kirk, "I need my pain."
Amen, Jackie. Hell, I'm just going to say it, I think the DSM groupies create more problems than they help. :/
Depending on circumstances,reactions can be diagnosed as PTSD,and according to Wikipedia,it is

Posttraumatic stress disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaen.wikipedia.org/.../Posttraumatic_stress_disorde...Posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) is a severe anxiety disorder that can develop after exposure to any event that results in psychological trauma. This event ...

I am sure you know about this definition,and applied to the soldiers returning from a combat zone,this definition is absolutely necessary to provide them with the psychotherapeutic treatment needed to find back into society.Grief ,according to a therapist I know personally,is the time needed to cover the loss in halftime of the actual time together.
But as always,there is no set rule as each individuum reacts according to his or her mental/psychic condition.This depends on the "conditioning"during childhood.
Rw005g
I agree with you in everything you said.
In our society anything that can be classified as mental illness (and treatable by Western medicine) will be. Menopause is nearly there already. Note to self: Buy stock in drug companies.
I tend to agree with Rw005g. I returned to the states last night from 6 weeks in the Exumas where most of the islands have very small populations. I spoke to people about medical care and the only issues brought up were high blood pressure and diabetes.
No doubt there are those with clinical depression who need serious treatment, but it seems to have gone way beyond that...
r./
DSM 5 overreaches in this area, but hopefully will address Sexual Trauma more fully than does PTSD criteria in DSM IV...But DSM needs always to be looked at critically, as we in the US feel we need our own manual rather than adopt the ICD-9 like the rest of civilization...
[r] what a satisfying and provocative read. thank you. i think we live in a tragically anti-feeling culture, becoming all the more so. it is more and more masculinized in terms of the militarization and anti-humanist sensibility lack of support for humanism. stoicism is encouraged, as in "cool" as well as "cool and cruel". competitiveness is encouraged as well as snark. winning at all costs is encouraged as seen in some down and dirty reality tv shows. our politicians are for the vast part, bottom-feeding scum suckers pimped out by oligarchs and their gamesmanship hypocrisy is nauseating.

I remember appreciating Gail Sheehy's classic book, Passages, and how Sheehy said that if you don't go through the appropriate emotional hurdles, developmental stages, of each decade then that unfinished business impacts the emotional challenges of the next decade. All that unfinished emotional work sometimes ends up causing the proverbial "mid-life" crises. I see "grief" as really bottom line important and not to be repressed. I think it is encouraged to be repressed too often. People don't want to be inconvenienced by the true feelings of others, especially if they have repressed their strong feelings about similar or the same stimuli. Then the messenger gets punished for manifesting what is buried in the other people's hearts. I also fear this country and with the insurance cheapness and dysfunction, that will pay for quick fix dangerous medications too easily, rather than the process-oriented talk therapy more expensive and sustained. And the over-medication of young people is a nightmare with the horrifying side-effects. We live in a sick culture in terms of lack of social and collective empathy and morality, look at the warrior nation we are. A war criminal nation.

Sorry to go on so, but thanks for triggering the thinking. libby
Good writing and congratulations on the EP. Interesting subject. But I'd like to take issue with a couple of things. Drs. Horwitz and Wakefield may maintain we as a society run from strong feelings and that may sell books but I don't think reality bears out this theory. If anything, we've become less restrained and more emotional than ever before. Just watch Fox News.

As far as depression and drugs go, anti-depressants do not mask feelings or cure depression. They help make it more manageable but they don't make everything "all better." There's no happy pill unless you're talking about illicit drugs.

Many people don't understand how antidepressants work and look down on others for taking them, as if they're weak or are using a crutch. But for many they're a literal lifesaver, in the same way injecting insulin is a lifesaver for someone with diabetes.

And as far as a person like Brenda goes, if she's a veritable waterworks and had to flee company meetings multiple times to go lock herself in the bathroom and cry because of a breakup, that's more than sadness. Depression affects a person's ability to cope and it disrupts day to day functioning. I can't believe her psychiatrist essentially told her to tough it out when this is something that could conceivably affect her job performance and maybe even cost her her job.
Moving forward is often the hardest thing...this hit home. /r
Margaret Feike made the best comment, in my opinion. Losing the ability to cope is what depression is about and antidepressant don't numb emotion they allow the brain to work well enough for many to survive. It's lucky that she got on her feet so quickly but the psychiatrist who told her to tough it out is very lucky this person didn't commit suicide and have a malpractice suit on her hands. That said, overmedication happens and much of the DSM is a farce, but crying all day is not something anyone should disregard.
Wasn't that a major depressive episode, or was it of a short enough duration to not qualify under the DSM IV? Please write more about the DSM V, and congrats on the EP.
The problem is that mental illnesses are, for the most part, all based on symptoms as reported by the patient, not objective clinical signs. While the cause of depression is currently believed to be an inadequate amount of serotonin, there's no evidence that people with depression have lower amounts of serotonin than normal.

However, the mental health profession has worked hard to be as professional as the physical doctors. So, they define syndromes, but since the syndromes are basically a best guess, they are subject to endless refinements.

The most dangerous thing about labeling normal grief as a mental disorder, is that drugs are cheaper than therapy and they can be addictive. It is known that for some people, the brain responds to serotonin re-uptake inhibitors by producing less serotonin -- in short, it auto-adjusts. Thus, when the SSRIs are stopped, the person has a major depressive episode.
Margaret and Malusinka:

Yes,I agree with you in every point.
I was going to tackle this very topic but I almost have too much to say (or not enough). As someone who went through the grieving process that follows a sudden, violent and public death (so specific that some of my fellow grievers were clamoring for a special syndrome to be included in the third DMS back in 2001) and then became a facilitator for those who felt themselves injured, I'm in a quandary. No, we didn't recover in a month or two; we couldn't have. But to assume, as society and too many in the psychiatric community do, that if we're not "back to normal" within a few months, we have a mental disorder, is to misunderstand the grieving process, in my experience.

I might suggest we give people a year, as was the custom in less hurried times and among certain religions. Alternately, perhaps we can measure for brain performance or measure serotonin levels to see whether the trauma of unexpected loss has caused a change--in which case, we can rightfully treat for depression and leave grief to wind its way through our lives as it must...
The grieving process is different for every person. These ongoing studies are fascinating. What concerns me is when pharmaceuticals finance studies they know will ultimately increase their sales' volumes. I don't have the actual figures to prove my layman opinion, but it has been estimated that our country does have a huge problem with prescription drugs which when taken for extensive periods of time, cause an increase in other afflictions.

Every time I hear or see one of those "miracle pill" commercials advertised on television, I am reminded that there are alternative/homeopathic remedies which are safer and less expensive.
I'm glad not to have missed this piece; it's very interesting and informative. Thank you for sharing it. In the early 90s clinical epression was still being looked upon suspiciously as moodiness by some employers in Quebec (Canada) and medical leave was given with a grudge. All I can say is that depression is very real, and one should never have the burden of proof to his employer. The physician or psychiatrist's diagnosis should not be questioned when the person is already in that state. Therapy does help in many ways one cannot think.
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I think this piece is so important and so well done! I agree with Nikki Stern about giving deaths, major breakups(death-of-a-dream), and other major grieving events a full year depending upon the individual response. Grief IS the appropriate response to life's greatest losses...I think you can medicate it, but unless you find your way through it and beyond it...making some sense of it and coming to some sort of acceptance, unresolved crap will still find its way to the surface and still need to be dealt with. I'm no psychologist, nor do I play one on tv. I've survived some grief events and come out on the other side...more human, more compassionate, more resourceful and more resilient. Again, this is such a fine read! Thank you! R
@ Belinda:
According to a researcher who spent his career studying this, placebos are three times as effective as no treatment, but placebos are 75% as effective as anti-depressants. So, alternatives/homeopathic remedies should work in three-quarters of all cases.
I am going to be contrary....everyone gets depressed at times...we do not all suffer from true depression. Everyone experiences grief. Some grief causes physical pain. Unresolved grief may need a classification for treatment, but "normal grief" (loss of a parent when you are an adult, the death of a 15 year old dog or cat) from the natural expected losses in life is not a mental illness, it is life. If we all take psychiatric meds to get through "life" how can we function as a society? I am a 62 year old woman. I lost my father when I was 10, my mother when I was 41, had my heart broken in my 20s and went to counseling, have buried multiple cats and dogs some who lived with me for more than than 12 years...a cat who was 19, I grieved, I learned. The most tragic of these was the loss of my father at such a young age...it changed my life, it did not cause me to be mentally ill. I think this needs much consideration before we diagnose the entire country with a mental illness. Who among us has not grieved?
Thanks for being contrary, Liberal Southern Democrat! I couldn't agree more.
People experience loss, and people grieve. I don't think excusing yourself from some meetings due to strong emotion a month after the end of a long term serious relationship means you are not functioning.
I don't think a psychiatrist who suggests talk therapy before starting a patient on prescription medication given the circumstances described should have to worry about a malpractice suit.
Thank you for posting this. R
I really enjoyed this post and I think it's imperative that we recognize sadness for what it is without labeling it and medicating it. I also feel that we as a nation are too quick to medicate depression when many times talk therapy can be so much more beneficial and can offer the tools needed to help deal with it in one's future should it return.
I also agree that grief should be included in the PTSD diagnosis.

Well written, thought-provoking post. Thank you Diane.
Dear Diane, This piece could not have come at a better time for me. I have had my share of depressive episodes that with time and love disappeared without meds.

I lost my best friend and other half (we were together for 6 years) last early April. He dumped me for a younger woman, which was expected. He refused to talk to me, which was not at all expected. I --now at the 10 month mark--feel less sad much of the time. But I still have episodes as I did today. It was brought on by being sick yesterday and so feeling isloated. I woke today so sad and after all this time, expected him to walk into the room, crazy but still a varient of sadness. When I opened my computer for reasons unknown, there were all our photos, what I never could find. I feel something must have been happening on his end of the divide and I did a lot today and feel much better. It comes and it goes. But it is definitely not psychiatric, just something I share with friends, and bear up when it's hard. Nothing like depression this sad pain. ThanksR
A very interesting post and thought provoking comments. If I may, I would like to add the distinctions between exogenous and endogenous genesis of depression and sadness. Everyone responds uniquely to exogenous events -- deaths, break-ups, etc. There is an outside occurrence that triggers the response. I think, depending on the severity of the response, medication to ease suffering may or may not be indicated. Endogenous depression is another animal, and is an illness (stigmas be damned), and it's dangerous and sometimes lethal left untreated.

There is no such thing as a deadline for getting over anything. "A year should suffice", as if you get six months for a bad relationship, a year for the death of a spouse, two years for the death of child?

It requires the keen observant skill of a good psychiatrist and a psychotherapist to lead some people out of the darkness. We all have mental health concerns whether or not they are in some book.

Did you know that they proposed including "Internet Addiction" for inclusion in this version? Apparently, the idea didn't get enough "Likes" on Facebook to qualify.