emma peel

emma peel
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A writer is an egomaniac with low self-esteem. Disclaimer Please be advised that what you read here does not represent anyone at OS, or anyone else in the known blogosphere, or world outside the Internet unless specifically stated. I've spent most of my life as a journalist, arts and film critic, editor, educator and writing coach. I've been lucky enough to travel extensively and to meet many fascinating famous and ordinary people. I live in a beautiful part of the world that sustains my soul. I am blessed to have an understanding husband and loyal friends. I have a sharp edge, but underneath I am an idealist and a romantic. My heart breaks at all the stupidity, injustice and cruelty in the world. I will never stop fighting against it.

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JANUARY 7, 2010 9:51PM

Water from the wound

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Water from the wound

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 Water from the wound, such a soulful turn of phrase. I first heard the expression in The Year of Living Dangerously, back when Peter Weir was still making edgy movies, Mel Gibson was sexy, and Sigourney Weaver hadn't met an alien yet. The phrase popped into my mind a few days ago for no particular reason and stayed there. A day or two later, I noticed a post in the feed at OS with that title. Synchronicity. 

But what does it mean? That is somewhat ambiguous. In the film, the words are spoken by an Indonesian man high atop a mountain plantation in "old" Java just before the civil war between the communist rebels and President Sukarno's military erupts in 1965. The man, Bembal Roco, works for Gibson, who plays a gauche, ambitious Australian broadcaster. He knows that the coup is doomed, but he is committed to fight for his desperate people despite the corruption of the political process on both sides. When Gibson asks him what "water from the wound" means, the man answers with an expression of unutterable sadness on his face: "It means something that you can never have." 

In that context, he is referring to freedom from poverty and dictatorship, something that Indonesia has yet to achieve.  He may also be referring to something more personal. Weir is a subtle enough filmmaker to leave the possibility open. Roco asks Gibson's character, "Am I a stupid man for wanting to change my country's condition?" and points out that in the western world, even stupid men are rich and free. That scene and expression have stayed with me for so long -- apart from being in a well-crafted, wonderfully acted and written film that also features Linda Hunt who won an Oscar for her performance -- because it was the first time I viscerally experienced the despair of what living as an ordinary person in the Third World means. I knew intellectually, but it hadn't hit me emotionally. Gibson's character undergoes a similar transformation, and it was doubtless Weir's intent that western audiences unaccustomed to putting a human face on faraway conflicts be made aware of the real cost of our indifference.

Since that time I have travelled extensively in Indonesia, and found the film authentic in its depiction of the country and the expatriate journalist community. Yet that isn't what I am writing about here. What I really want to know is: water from the wound. What does it mean to you? 

For me, it is about yearning for a sense of belonging to myself and others  that I have never truly experienced. My fierce independence may prevent me from embracing that acceptance, but nevertheless, it is the most important thing in my life that eludes me. 

Water from the wound.  Enlighten me.

 

 



Wow. I have to think about that.
I loved that movie; I took so much away from it. It's a movie that more people should experience.
Great post.
Emma, The Year of Living Dangerously is one of my favorite movies of all time. The wayang puppet scene...in the beginning of the film...just all of it. Linda Hunt as Billy Kwan...oh my goodness.

Water from a wound. My latest piece is just that. But still, I cannot have what brings that writing. Rebecca.

My favorite exchange from The Year of Living Dangerously-when Pete wants Billy to go with him to find prostitutes...

Pete: .....I'm telling you, you will love this action. You want to spend the night? Costs you one dollar.

Billy: Starvation's a great aphrodisiac.

When the film was first released I remember how surprised viewers were that Billy Kwan was played by a woman. Great post. xox
I'm coming up empty, save for a Monty Python image that sprung to mind (sort of.....Life of Brian-ish). But I'm certainly not dumb enough to make it public!

Beautiful piece, emma peel
To me the term: "Water from the wound" has to do with our being able to take from pain (the wound), something that refreshes our body and soul (the water). In my own case Water from the wound would mean finding my own place of peace and self-forgiveness from my own Year of Living Dangerously. But, then I am a simple man with limited education so I may be totally off the mark. Just my opnion I guess.
i never saw that one. it was supposed to be good, thanks for enlightening me ms peel ;)
I would imagine it simply means bloodless. .ie. free from emotion. But that might be too simplistic.
Interesting. R
The movie got to me intensely, but I don't remember the phrase. Just Googled it and learned that in a burn patient, "Loss of skin integrity produces a massive loss of water from the wound surface (till wound closure)." Water from a wound, then, may be life threatening. The more familiar phrase is easier to understand: it's like rubbing salt in a wound.
It's been years since I've seen the movie . . . I need to see it again.

When I think of "water from the wound," my mind immediately goes to the crucifixion of Christ: after Christ was apparently dead, one of the soldiers thrust a spear into Christ's side, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water.
For me, "water from the wound" is a more poetic way to say, "collapse."
I don't know. It is interesting--the juxtaposition of blood and water. We always say, 'blood is thicker than water,' meaning, as you know, that family ties account for something. But they talk about getting water from a wound instead of blood. Is it a reference to the impossible, as he says? Just a more painful way to say, "You can't get milk from a stone"?
You posted on this! Excellent! Like I said, I only covered one of many possible shades of this and I love your approach.

In a phrase, I would say it means a non-sustainable situation, living off a mirage, a stopgap.
I like Torman's theory -- that pain can create the vital element water. The first thing I thought of, though, was what Hawley discovered by googling the phrase - the water that seeps out of a wound. Not exactly water you would want to drink.

I've never seen that movie (and will only see it because you've made me curious). I can't stand that guy -- Gibson.

Great thought-provoking post, Emma.
In my case, "water from a wound" could be tears. If it is a wound to the heart or the soul the natural release would be the body's ability to produce water...

Very interesting Emma.
R
Since it's a Christological reference from the crucifixion, I generally take it to mean healing where one would expect terror. Water poured from the wound instead of blood, most unexpectedly, symbolic of healing, baptism, renewal, fountain, waterfall, spring, rebirth, source of life. It's been years since I've seen the film, and would have to watch it again to comment within that context.
In retrospect, I think Sheila's interpretation is the best of the lot.
Water originally means life (plants, food). I would go with the obvious and literal meaning. A step up would be, one can't get good out of bad. A step even higher would be a protest against violence of oppression and the uselessness of revolt. A more common and less ambiguous saying is "you can't get water out of a rock." In any case I would not read more into it.

Thought provoking, rated.
Yours is mine. I've always been the outsider for as long as I can remember and I want very much to belong, but not if it means that I can't be myself.
Coincidentally I was told the other evening that I should watch that movie. I have always intended to. I think I will this weekend. BTW is there a deadline for this piece? Thanks, Emma.
Oh maybe you were not asking for people to write a piece on this and just asking for a simple statement. Hhhhmmm water from the wound?
I guess to me what it means to me is that you cannot change the wrongs and injustices done to people. It's already happened and happening to people. But can you change the conditions from which these wrongs and injustices arise.
to me it means that life has transcended the situation.
There is another far different meaning of the phrase that resonates with most Christians.

"But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water." John 19:34

Despite the obvious horrors of crucifixion, death most often resulted from suffocation as the weight of the body pressed more and more against the lungs. It was a slow, agonizing death, a punishment for those like Spartacus and his followers who the Romans wished to make a very public example of.

It often took two or three days to die from crucifixion, and it is said that the water the burst from Jesus' wound was proof he was already dead after only a few hours on the cross.

Sorta off the subject, but Jesus first miracle was said to be turning water into wine, and the wine at the Last Supper was "transformed" into blood. The interplay between water, blood and wine in the Bible is fascinating.
It's the universal impulse for something better than what you already have. No one, not even the richest men in the world, are satisfied, they all continue to want more, but it is just water from the wound. Pointless and unattainable.

And that film was one of the best of the 1980's. A masterpiece.
BTW, I saw the movie some time ago, and it was very unsettling -- I'm not sure I want to see it again, but Linda Hunt certainly deserved an Oscar for her role in it. Sort of the inverse Shakespearean tradition where boys played girls.
It means disingenuiness in acts of mercy and heroics. Water is clear of the substances contained in blood.
Fascinating discussion here on this phrase. For me it is all the suffering that doesn't have to be.
After a wound has healed enough to cease bleeding it may still weep, but water rather than blood. That's my take it on it.
Added to Tom's points, it's relevant to note that the water would likely be pericardial fluid, which makes 'water from the heart' also symbolic.
So many fascinating comments. I went out to run some errands and take a walk and came back to make dinner. I will be back soon to address comments individually.
Emma, I forgot how much I liked that movie. I will watch it again and see the context. Somehow not resonating with me at this time. Water is something one would desire, I could see that it's a contradiction, looking for something life saving from something that is life threatening.
Beautiful post, Emma. I have never seen the movie; I am going to Netflix it as soon as I finish this comment. Torman expressed what I thought about: To me the term: "Water from the wound" has to do with our being able to take from pain (the wound), something that refreshes our body and soul (the water). "
agree with Gary's interpretation, that is what it would mean to me- a sanitizing of the messy components of life
It's a wonderful phrase but I can't play. I am so anti-Mel Gibson it blocks all creative impulses and thoughts. Still, great post on the movie.
I saw the film so many years ago that I barely remember it, very provocative, both the essay and the comment thread it inspired

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OK, I just did something really stupid. Instead of deleting the ubiquitous Benben's comment, I deleted the entire post. Not sure how to make it look the way it should, but at least I managed to save the original comments. That will teach me to always save a copy in Word.
Just saw your comment Kathy. I hope this explains why it disappeared. I'm such a dunderhead sometimes.
Great post about a film that left an indelible mark on me as well. For the Gibson-phobic, he made some early films you should see ("Tim," "Gallipoli" and this one for sure). He was young and a good actor. The sex scenes in this were transformative, as I remember (ahhhhh, 1982...). The phrase that stayed with me was Billy's "What then must we do?"

Unfortunately the subject matter of this film is all too prescient. War, poverty, and, "in the western world, even stupid men are rich and free."

What "water from the wound" means to me is that life has been sucked out of the living being and only death will follow. Namaste.
That is pretty funny. Worse, I posted a post once in the middle of the night while I was asleep and left the laptop on the bed, was just in draft and not meant to post, must have accidentally hit the keyboard. At least you've got it all here.
Loved loved loved that movie, and the scene where Gibson's character pushed Weaver's character against a wall and kissed her was so very hot that it remains one of my favorite erotic movie moments of all time.

Here's a completely different take: Water is necessary for life. Perhaps it could be construed as affirmation........

Rated for reminding me how very provocative that movie was, politically, socially, and sexually. And for Linda Hunt! Yowza!
I expect "water from the wound" is meant to resonate on many layers, as evidenced in the comments on this thread. Like most good symbolism, it's not unidimensional.
For a change, I got to rate a post twice!!! (Extra points for using the word "dunderhead" in your comment . . . it's an underused word.)
I had commented earlier BB -- before Benben -- to thank everyone for their thoughtful and inspiring comments. When I first saw this movie, it blew me away on several fronts. First, it's HOT. As Ginny and others have mentioned, there is some real chemistry between Gibson and Weaver. Second, it's about journalists, which is always of interest to me. Third, it is about a country and all its complexities that I have come to love. Fourth, as I wrote earlier, it serves to enlighten western audiences.

It is as relevant today as it was in 1982 when it released. I can hardly believe it's been that long since I first saw it. My, my. I thought "water from the wound" was a Javanese, or Indonesian expression from the film. But perhaps as many of you have mentioned, it is more universal. Like the best poetry, it has endless variations and interpretations.

I am trying to contact an Indonesian friend to get his take on it. Stay tuned.
I've done that....xox
Uh -- not quite ALL the original comments, I added something that was truly profound and brilliant, but it has disappeared completely -- and my name isn't ben-ben :-)
Jeezuz -- now I see my brilliant commentary is above the ad -- what the hell happened -- and I've been exposed as a fraud because it wasn't all that brilliant -- oh, the wound -- I think I need a drink -- and I don't mean of water -- where the hell is my scotch?
LOL, Tom. I'm the clueless one. And I was completely sober when I hit delete on my post.
Violence ( blood ) cannot grow crops ?
What strange serendipity. I watched that movie again for the first time in years just a few weeks ago, and was blown away by how good it was.
Water from the wound. I need to think. But I, too, have been overwhelmed by all that needs saving as it all seems to be drowning.
Emma, I read and rated this yesterday, but didn't comment because I wanted to think about the question.

So I did. Last thing before I went to sleep, almost the first thing this morning over my first cup of coffee.

I still don't know what the hell that statement means, although several people have offered their explanations. It just lies there: I know it has a resonance for me, but damned if I can put my finger on why.

En tout cas, this was rated for bringing to memory a fine movie ... and making me think.
water from a wound. water, the essence of life bleeding out. it leaves me with the sense that it, this matter is finished. there is nothing to be done but to follow your chosen path and accept that all action and reaction is really futile. fight your fight then pack up your suitcase and go somewhere.

phrases like that stymie me because they me feel as if everything is bigger than I am and there's nothing to be done, which I imagine is is somewhat Buddhist-ish and passive and accepting. and yet we do not accept, we fight, we struggle and not to passively lose either. we, humanity struggle to change fate and destiny - if we are determined to achieve something.

we cannot accept water from a living wound. we fight to stop the flow, stop the inevitable. or we are not living.

we're just dramatically floating down the river, being plopped about by frogs and rocks and trolls living under the bridge.
@Karin: Thanks for coming back. It's all so mysterious to me too.

@Owl: I don't know why but that word just popped into my head. It seemed appropriate.

@dragonlady: I agree with "What then must we do?" I believe Billy's answer, as was Tolstoy's, was to help whoever is in our path.

@Kathy: I've posted a draft by accident, but I don't think anyone noticed as I salvaged it pretty quickly.

@Aunt Mabel: I don't think I will ever grow up somehow.

@Ginny: It is a very erotic movie back when Mel was a stud. Now, not so much.

@fingerlakeswanderer: I know what you mean. I often feel as though I am drowning in all the suffering of the world.

@Boaneges1: I felt the same way, which is why I decided to seek the opinions of others.

@General JK Brady: I am going to watch the movie again this weekend myself. Perhaps all will be revealed.

@foolishmonkey: I like your explanation very much. And I agree about the frogs and the trolls et al.
This movie also had a great impact on me. Any reference to Christianity, however is misplaced. You can't get water from a rock, blood from a rock, blood a from a turnip are all metaphors for a persons or people whocan not give more than they can give: their lives.
Ever heard the phrase, "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose?" Same thing! It isn't rocket science , the Year of Living Dangerously was for Mel Gibson, his first starring role. It has nothing to do with Christ or Mel Gibson and his fundamental Catholic beliefs. He was just an actor! One can not take an ancient Asian saying and apply it to a Hollywood interpretation of Jesus.
Agreed rainee174. I couldn't find any references to in English or Christianity. I assumed from the movie that it was an Indonesian, or more specifically Javanese saying. People's interpretations are interesting though -- that was what I was asking for but now I am going to try to find out for sure where it originated. Thanks for commenting.
Hi Emma - I rented "Year of Living Dangerously" last week; watched it with English captions (my old-lady-starting-to-lose-her-hearingness now appreciates that option). He says, "Water from the moon," according to the caption. Now it makes much more sense to me. Whaddya think?
Thanks dragonlady. That's really interesting. It does make more sense. I haven't had a chance to watch the movie again, but I will listen very carefully when I do. It might be the actor's accent that is causing some of the confusion. I might have to change the title of my post!