Citizen Justice

Citizen Justice
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I don't call it as I see it; I call it as it is. Conservatives hate liberals and liberals hate conservatives and both spew their virtues through hate and both sides are blind to the fact that they both are wrong. Conservatives bend over backwards to do everything possible to not help a soul; liberals do everything possible to take from those who work for what they have and give it to those who do nothing to deserve one bit of it. Conservatives want to do nothing to help society get better. Liberals blame everything but individual responsibility for why society doesn't get better.

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SEPTEMBER 10, 2010 12:15PM

However, I WILL comment on the "wisdom" of this decision.

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The point isn't whether anyone is christian, muslim or anything else.  There should really only be a few points we should look at.  Do they have the right to do it (burn the book)?  It appears so, so we should be celebrating the freedom of our country for someone to do something that millions of others are completely outraged by.  It's the ultimate sign of being free.  Especially when so many people including the president and several news outlets went out of their way to tell us how they have the right to build the mosque.  (Which they do, and if they want to build it there, they should...freedom works ALL ways)  Remember, we weren't commenting about the "wisdom" of the choice.  Where is all the defense now?  Ironically, what isn't missing now is the commenting on the "wisdom" of burning the book.  As for putting troops in danger, that's a bunch of crap.  For anyone who would attack another, that person alone is responsible for his or her actions regardless of what anyone else does, especially against someone who didn't even commit the act that was so necessary for retaliation.  Yet ironically again, for a people who would be so humiliated if their holy book was burned, they think nothing of doing quite similar things to sacred items of other people.  This does not mean we should do a tit-for-tat, but I am not feeling sympathy for someone so humiliated who only sees things one way.  Stand up for what you oppose and then you can tell me about freedom and justice.  That goes for all sides.

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Why are you so bitter? Is it because virtually no one comments on your posts?
I don't think I was bitter at all. I think it's because I don't go around like Bill Beck and delete the comments of others when they show just how wrong you are. Maybe you need a refresher. Your Steve Jobs post, try to find this comment on there:

""Wow, who would have thought that Bill Beck would have to resort to deleting comments from those who can easily prove just how wrong he is. Now if that doesn't speak for who this ???(I'm not sure you can call him a man) really is right there! I know it must hurt to have your own words used against you, but this was your doing, not mine.

Your words from above: "Jane, the G.I. Bill existed in 1955. No such thing exists today."

Really Bill?? No such thing exists today?? You really are a moron because even after I plainly pointed out to you that it does in fact exist today, you make no correction and instead try to cover-up your own stupidity. Here's a quick link, but if Bill had any contact in the least with a current servicemember he would know just how stupid his comments really are.

http://www.gibill.va.gov/

Site of the Bill Beck non-existent G.I. Bill

Great work Bill, as always, completely professional!!""

So perhaps the real question is Bill, why are you so afraid that you have to delete the comments you don't like? It clearly shows the level of being you really are. I suppose it makes it easier for you to cope. Maybe you are trying to make Palin and Bachmann look smart. You are off to a good start!
You ask for a correction to a comment response to a commenter? The request is absurd. It was an offhand comment about the G.I. Bill which was not on the subject of the post. I left the comment up for a day, but then removed it because you attempted to hijack the post with this idiotic point. I said, "no such thing exists today." What I meant was, nothing like it, to its extent exists today. No question is was not worded as clearly as possible. But it was in response to a comment by someone who left a word out of her comment which changed the meaning of her comment. The over arching point is that much of the social safety net has been removed. We do not offer things like the original G.I. Bill anymore. Nothing close. The G.I. Bill was updated a few times, and once it was replaced with a thing called "V.E.A.P." Veterans Educational Assistance Program, if I remember correctly. VEAP was a steep drop off from the G.I. Bill that existed before it. Then VEAP was replaced with a New G.I. Bill. Each new step made it more difficult to use the program as the sole means of funding education. G.I. Bill originally paid for it. Then they went to "assisting" it. Meanwhile, education and living became much more expensive. Nothing like the original G.I. Bill exists to provide the means now to take a service person from active service to college degree. That opportunity is not what it originally was. This was the point WITHIN a larger point that our society today is less likely to produce a Steve Jobs, who barely got by on the margins. It was tangential. It was an aside. You inflate the importance of the comment to yourself, for yourself. It was removed, after a day, because the stink you made about it was far outside of the point of the post. Also, it was removed because you attract attention to yourself through this troll behavior rather than writing or discussing in a way that many would want to be involved with. Your charge of removing you for disagreeing is wrong, and it misses the point just like your jumping on the G.I. Bill minutia missed the point.
Try comparing the G.I. Bills, which was my point, rather than simply saying that there is a G.I. Bill today. You provided a link about the G.I. Bill in its current version, but you missed the point, as narcissists tend to do.

Take this as an example. The ORIGINAL G.I. Bill helped veterans with business loans and home loans. The current version does not. Like I said before, "no such thing exists today." The current version is a watered down version from the original. I will guess that you are not decent enough to admit that you misunderstood. But here are the facts.

"An important provision of the G.I. Bill was low interest, zero down payment home loans for servicemen. This enabled millions of American families to move out of urban apartments and into suburban homes. Prior to the war the suburbs tended to be the homes of the wealthy and upper class.

Another provision was known as the 52–20 clause. This enabled all former servicemen to receive $20 once a week for 52 weeks a year while they were looking for work. Less than 20 percent of the money set aside for the 52–20 Club was distributed. Rather, most returning servicemen quickly found jobs or pursued higher education."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.I._Bill

All of this is tangential to the larger point made in the post. Your annoying comment was removed because it did not contribute to the discussion of the point. You were litigating a point made poorly in a comment response to another commenter. It did not merit keeping.
Actually today's G.I. Bill can be completely used to pay for all of a person's college education. I know, because I did it. Today's G.I. Bill also provides money for books and housing, this is something that did not exist in the original G.I. Bill actually making it even better. There is no need for the current G.I. Bill to provide low-interest, zero down payment home loans anymore because there are other veteran resources that do this very thing; however, the wisdom of purchasing a home with zero down payment is a horrible one and was a major factor in the housing crisis that sent the country's economy into massive downfall.

So even "in spirit" your comparison is still wrong, and I can completely understand how something like "the G.I. Bill existed in 1955, no such thing exists today" would be such a hard "no is was question worded as clearly as possible" as you put it. The fact is, you knew it still exists today and yet you still made your false statement and you still removed and covered it up when you were called on it.
If I was the only one who has made a point to show many times over how you are a "deleter of comments" when you are so easily shown to be wrong, that might seem trivial and insignificant, but this is not the case. You have a habit of doing it many times over and this speaks more of you than any of your foolish words ever will.
Look, whether you agree that the GI Bill is better or not is beside the point. Also, I did not say money for housing. I said, a loan to buy a house. The new GI Bill does not provide that. The new GI Bill does not provide business start up loans. AGAIN, the point was, the modern incarnations of the GI Bill are not as expansive as the early version which spawned the growth of the middle class. "No such thing exists."

SECOND, the motherfucking GI BILL was not the POINT of the post which is why I did not keep it in the thread. I knew you would do this. This is an entirely separate issue.

Whether or not the most recent version is better is a matter of opinion. The data of the MASSIVE movement from cities to suburbs after WWII, in large measure funded by the original GI Bill indicates that NO SUCH THING is happening now.
Citizen Justice,

You pump yourself up claiming to have proved me wrong, but all you did was misunderstand and pounce on a tangential comment not related to the post. Furthermore, you make ALL SORTS of wrong comments in your POSTS and never account for them. Ever. You like to accuse people. You claim that Serena Williams is "probably" a racist on nothing. NOTHING. You say that because she yelled at an official, and they were of different races, that her motivation was racism. That is COMPLETE ABSURDITY. You won't make any attempt to reasonably address yourself to the dissent. You jet drop accusations FROM ANONYMITY, and move on. You have no grounds to judge anyone's methods in dealing with dissent, disagreement, or courage, AS YOU HAVE. You don't even SHOW UP. You are anonymous. This probably makes no sense to you. I don't doubt it. I removed you because you are not reasonable. You are biased with no hope of reasonableness. And you only seek to cause a stink. The evidence is how and what you write. And again, you do it from anonymity. Don't point fingers, and don't give me excuses. If you would discuss like a reasonable person, you would still be there. You choose your method and you have to take responsibility for that. The delete function exists for a reason. I did not invent it. Stop being anonymous and THEN tell me about courage and or facing dissent.
You don't seem to understand that it is your ATTITUDE that gets removed. The facts of the GI BILL are not important to me or the post. How can you not understand that? I think you are smarter than that and just refuse to admit it. Jane made a comment and I used an example to characterize the current situation with GI BILL as an example. IT STILL applies. It is less than it was in 1955. I would LOVE to engage you on ANY subject. You are the one who hides. My name is Bill Beck. Who are you? Call Sarena Williams a racist with your REAL name. Call me a "pussy" to my face. You want to call someone dishonest? Look in a mirror.
As I said before, if it was just me who said you were a deleter of comments for those you can no longer refute that would be one thing, but this is not the case; the instances and individuals who report you doing the very same thing to them is more than anyone can count, let alone all the others who don't worry to take the time to call you out for being the coward that you are. You are this because of YOUR actions and it speaks of YOU no matter how angry you want to get.

The fact still remains, your words, "Jane, the G.I. Bill existed in 1955. No such thing exists today" and you are wrong and you were called out on it and you still can't admit you were wrong.

I never said that you said it provided money for housing. I said it does that now and that is something it did not do in the past (I also included books). This is something that makes the current G.I. Bill better, and the reason it no longer provides loans is because that area is handled somewhere else, but is something that is still completely available to all veterans. It just no longer needs to be covered by the G.I. Bill; I'm sure you can understand that concept.

So alas, the facts still remain. You were wrong and you are a deleter of comments.
You clearly do not understand the Serena Williams post, good to know your actual opinion is that even if she is racist, so what? Yes, I think that's exactly the attitude we are looking for everyone to have.

Let me break it down for you so your 4-year old mind can handle it. If the judge had been black and had the tennis player been white and the very same actions took place, that tennis player would be blasted to no end for being racist. What I was showing is how Serena's actions never brought about this very same outcry which shows how those blacks who cry foul for racism have no problem being racist themselves in addition to crying racism over each and everything bad that happens to them that comes from someone who is not black, plus blacks who do it to them, are traitor Uncle Toms. All the Tea Party must be racist because they demand the Obama birth certificate. That has been screamed about endlessly on this site. Yet strangely no one from the Tea Party asks for Cain's birth certificate. How can these apparent racists let this go unchallenged??? Gotta love how the left and blacks manipulate the race card as much as possible and yet not one apology when the clear inaction of the Tea Party with regards to Cain shows how their position against Obama was never racially motivated. They went after Obama because he was democrat, not because he is 1/2 black.

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