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Christina Simon

Christina Simon
Location
Los Angeles, California, USA
Birthday
March 22
Title
Mom Blogger
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Fat Envelope Publishing
Bio
Christina Simon is the co-author of “Beyond The Brochure: An Insider’s Guide To Private Elementary Schools In Los Angeles.” She also writes the blog, www.beyondthebrochurela.com about applying to private elementary schools in Los Angeles and the ups and downs as life as a private school mom. Christina is a former vice president at Fleishman-Hillard, a global public relations firm. She has a 9-year-old son and a 12-year-old daughter. Christina lives in Los Angeles with her husband and kids. She has a B.A. from UC Berkeley and an M.A. from UCLA. Christina has written recent guest blog pieces for The Huffington Post, Salon.Com, Mamapedia, BlogHer Syndication,The Mother Company, The Well Mom and numerous other blogs.

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JULY 6, 2011 8:42PM

Would You "De-Friend" Your Friend's Kid On FB?

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My daughter is 10 years old and just completed 4th grade at a progressive, private school in Los Angeles.  Lately, I’ve been astounded to see how many of her classmates have their own Facebook pages. 

My first encounter with kids on Facebook  happened a year ago when one of the boys in my daughter’s class sent me a “friend” request on Facebook. He was 9 years old. I’m Facebook “friends” with his dad, so I accepted the request, not remembering that Facebook has a rule that a person has to be at least 13 years old use the social media network.  A few months later, a friend of mine posted something very personal and upsetting about issues her son was dealing with. Uncomfortable with a 9 year old seeing this, I called his dad and explained that I would be “de-friending” him. I later found out this classmate of my daughter’s was bragging to her and other kids at school that he was on my Facebook page. I had unknowingly embarrassed my daughter.

Needless to say, my daughter doesn’t have a Facebook page. But, a bunch of her classmates do and their parents think it’s really cool. They allow their kids to “friend” adults, who, without wanting to hurt their feelings, accept the “friend” request.

A mom friend called me recently to say that one of her son’s 5th grade classmates was her Facebook “friend” and was telling everyone at school about her posts—pictures of her son. Her son was being ridiculed at school and stopped allowing his mom to take any photos of him, fearing she’d post them on Facebook. I suggested she “de-friend” this kid after calling his mom.

I have no interest in being Facebook “friends” with kids! Why do some parents think it’s acceptable to allow their elementary schoolers  to “friend” grown-ups? Do they think this makes their kids trend-setting hipsters? Are they trying to accelerate their kid’s march into tweendom? Do their kids Tweet too?

I like the digital age, smart technology and the zillions of gadgets out there and so do my kids. My daughter has email—she can email a list of approved friends-- and they both have iPads.

But, my kids will need to wait to have a Facebook page and when they do, they won’t be “friending” grown-ups. I’m not worried about the “cool” factor. They’ll be on Facebook when I think they’re ready for the responsibility, whether they think I’m being a “cool mom” or not.

Facebook is a fun place for me to connect with friends, post photos and share moments without worrying about the rumor mill at my kids school the next day!

 

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Oh I agree.... you just never know what might happen.
HUGGGGGGGGGGGG
Kids can be cruel. The digital age puts a new spin on it. That is sad. Yes, definitely de-friend and put up filters so only friends can access the page.
Oh, but you have spoken my mind Christina. I just had a 13-year-old daughter of a friend request a "friendship" on FB just recently. It' seemed cute at first (oh, she's so grown up). I accepted immediately, but thought better of it by the next day. Right you are. Kids should not be mixing with adults on FB. With all the family, future employers, and who knows who plugged in, we have enough restrictions to worry about without minors in the mix. I will do as you suggest and write to her mother...no other choice. I just hope it's not taken as a slight.
Hi Bluestocking, I was really nervous about calling the kid's dad, but he was very nice and understanding about it.
I'm with you. Kids have plenty of time when they are older, and can better understand the ramifications of being "social," to be on something like Facebook.
I think you're right on the money! I don't do facebook myself but back when I did I would not in a million years want to have kid "friends" there - your essay describes some of the ramifications and the pain it can cause kids, and others, when it's misused. TOS are usually there for a reason....
Of course you are right, Christina. The line between children and adults is blurring at a disturbing rate. It is your responsibility to determine how or if you want to participate in that process.

To give you an example of how drastically things have changed over recent time: We raised our son in Moraga, CA, a relatively small San Francisco suburb. He had a gang of friends who I would often find hanging out in my refrigerator. These "kids" are now grown men. One of them, one of my son's best buddies, is now a successful Hollywood photographer and the two of them remain close. I had no second thoughts at all when he sent me a Friend Request. But yesterday, when he sent me a private message starting with "Hey, Lezlie," I was taken aback. The fact that he is past 40, married and the father of two kids did not change his status as "one of the kids" in my mind one bit! lol Of course, I'm over it and it's fine, but these boundaries do die hard and I think with good reason.

Lezlie
I have a couple of friends' kids on my facebook friends list, with their parents' knowledge. I think it's good for them to have a chance to have some adult interactions. I figure their parents see it as a safe way to ease their kids into the onslaught of online life. I wouldn't hesitate to de-friend them if they created a problem, which I'm sure the parents would agree to. I agree it's an issue with pros and cons, but I think it's one of those things society will have to play with to get right. Asking kids to just dive into the online world without having gone through that is also dicey.
Totally agree. I ignore friend requests from friends' kids.
Amid this clamoring Twitterian and Facebookian modern dispensation, it is so good to see someone acting as a responsible parent. Good for you! And, I think it's awfully nice of you to call to explain your defriending. I'm always haunted by something Marshall McLuhan said: "We take our technology into the deepest recesses of our souls. Our view of reality, our structures of meaning, our sense of identity--all are touched and transformed by the technologies which we have allowed to mediate between ourselves and the world." Maybe that's what accounts for the parents you mention.
I have a teenager who is on FB and a 10 year old who isn't allowed on FB yet. My teen is required to be my friend on FB or lose his FB privileges. It is a fine line - I have a few of his friends as my friends - at their request - but I wouldn't have a problem defriending if I felt it was necessary. FB is a good lesson for teens to realize just how public it is and how it can be abused easily. Great post.
Surprising as it may sound, I have had my third grade students send me a friend request on Facebook. I just tell them I appreciate that they want to be a FB friend, but I don't do that with anyone under 18 and still in school. As a matter of rule I also do not do Facebook with any of my students' parents. Separation between work and personal life are important to me.
2 things:
1) I reply to the kid that I have a "no kid zone" policy on my facebook page. I just don't accept kids.

2) Go to account settings and privacy. Selectively Block the kids from seeing your wall, photos, and updates. They will still be on your friend list, but they won't be able to see anything except maybe your Information page.
Some of my 11 year old daughter's friends have FB pages. She won't get hers until she's 13, and even then, maybe not. Her friends have requested I friend them I won't. I am an adult and my friends are adults.

*sigh* sometimes I hate the internet.
My mom said I could have a FB page when I'm 40!! Wooo, only 9 more days!!

What? :D

Seriously, I think kids can have a Facebook page but, as been said, with their parents' knowledge(and have them as a friend!!). A friend of mine has created her daughter a page, Mama controls everything, including password and it's mostly so kid can play the games on there.
Great post, Christina...I kept getting FB requests from the college aged friend of one of my nieces and all I could think was, what the heck does he want that access for? My kids' friends aren't on FB yet but when they are it's going to be tricky to balance it. Would be nice if FB would default everything to "private" and let users selectively open up their profiles to each new friend, making it a deliberate action.
I have a daughter still in her teens, who is active on Facebook. I know a fair number of her friends, but I am not "friends" with any of them on FB. For one thing, we probably have nothing to say to each other that would be worth posting on FB. For another, it just seems inappropriate, and could seem offensive to some of their parents.

Thanks for bringing up the issue. Rated.
Why would you friend a child to begin with? This is what confuses me. Is Facebook different in the States than it is abroad? Here in Ireland, Facebook is used for social networking with friends, family and coworkers. Not for being chums with a child. In fact, an adult that makes friends with a child on Facebook would be looked upon rather oddly. I can understand accidentally accepting a friend request, but why did you feel a need to explain the decision to the child's father as if the child's feelings truly needed to be considered in the matter? He's a child. You're an adult. You don't owe him an explanation for your actions especially when it comes to excluding him from your social circle.
I've had a FB page for a relatively short while and I do almost nothing with it, 99.9 percent of the activity is from friended folk, that .1 percent are the few responses I make to the topics that show up on the 'wall' (what's this calling the thing a wall anyway? Bulletin board would make more sense). I think I've friend requested maybe five times, mostly the thing just sits there.

I don't understand why some folks share what they share in the first place - share things you don't want a kid to see? Why? It's still cyberspace and most should know by now that cyberspace is NOT the last bastion of privacy ;).

I also don't see anything wrong with accepting a friend request from a kid - I imagine I've probably got kids as friends, lots of kids own dogs, and dog owners are the majority of my FB contacts ;). And yeah, that's right, I don't personally know way better than half of the 'friends', the friend thing, from what I can tell is more or less just a game of numbers and who can gather the most.

Meh.

Rated for cyber as social curiosity.
It was kind and responsible of you to contact the Dad to explain you were going to be defreinding his son. The rest is all very complicated. Thanks for posting.
OMG
Isn't it hard enough to be a child in our ever growing violent school system without the added pressure of facebook?

Parents shouldn't show pictures of their kids unless they privatize them. Sure we want bragging rights, but put those kids in a private family album. No nude or even swimsuit pics.

What's wrong with these people? Children rely on their parents for protection.

My sister did not care that her two boys were on the net all the time. I begged her. I showed her the content of what they were viewing. She told me to mind my own business. Now they are both dead. One at 16 and two years later the second at 18.

Kids are being plucked off of streets and out of their beds by perverts who know exactly where, when and what name these children have.

When I was in school we got in trouble if we were spotted at the Orpheum theatre watching a rated film.

If any of these kids are bringing below an A in any of their classes, they should be grounded off of Facebook and any place else that is deterring them from study.

The schools should review children who are learning below recommened level and advise the parents of these kids that they shoul not be on the net. You can have a direct link to Wikipedia without them heralding a social network.

Hell, if these kids stopped after school to play at an arcade or went to their buddies' houses to screw around rather than do their homework, how long would a parent allow that? Not long. It is the same thing with the net. That is just another place to go instead of home.

Does no-one watch Investigatve reports live sting of sexual predators? Just watch it once. If you have young kids, I promise, you will want to install a black box in your children's skull after seeing the ghastly, disgusting perverts going after 11 and 12 year old boys and girls. I promise! One of them actually said he saw a picture of the boy he was trolling in a swimsuit picture.

Facebook should be ashamed. I am going to start policing my blog, facebook page and any other place that shows kids and if needbe I will boycott
"A few months later, a friend of mine posted something very personal and upsetting about issues her son was dealing with. "

Why would your friend post something very personal and upsetting about her son on a public facebook wall?? That's the person I would defriend.
My kids are 11 and 13, and still no Facebook. They are too young to really (really really) understand what belongs there and what doesn't. That the internet is permanent, that NOTHING belongs on Facebook unless you also wouldn't mind seeing it written in 5-foot letters on the school hallway, on a billboard, on the front page of the local paper. They really, really don't get it.
Facebook can be a tough medium for adults...so for kids...I can only imagine.
Honestly. de-friending makes some sense. Odds are, if they friended you, it was about quantity and not quality...so the odds of them noticing you are gone is slim...and you are the adult...so you must be right.....right????
Actually...heck if I know...but I'd de-friend asap!
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As others have said there are two good options: 1) never friend them in the first place, or 2) set up FB groups with different permissions so that the kids don't really see what you are posting. This allows them to have you in their "friend number" but doesn't allow them to see anything. Also, since kids are usually lax about privacy online, you can spy on them for their parents (or more specifically, tell their parents if they are posting dangerous things online). I don't have any kids as friends on FB.
i am not a parent, but agree. i work with both children and adults as an ESL tutor, and when i receive requests from parents, i make sure they understand that i am a writer first, and that my writing covers very personal issues (as well as fiction.) in no way do i care to curb my style to make them comfortable. also, i accept no one under 18.

if i had a child, i would not let them friend adults bc both adults and children need to have the freedom to post as they wish.
My son invited everyone in my addresss book to the farmville game when he was only six! Have to lock the keyboard now!
Totally agree with you. Another option for the conflict-averse, which I use for acquaintances and work colleagues that I can't de-friend or not accept for one reason or another, is to create a separate category of FB friends and use the privacy options to significantly limit what they can see. Ah, technology.