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MAY 2, 2011 2:24PM

Where in the World Did Osama bin Laden Come From?

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With all the hullabaloo about the murder of Osama bin Laden in Pakistan--and the creepy return of so many Bush era officials to the airwaves to savor this moment--it's perhaps good to remember exactly what were the origins of Osama bin Laden's role in recent history.

Back in 1979 when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, due to the non-cooperation of the government there at the time (which was populist-leftist and not sufficiently oriented toward Moscow for the Soviets' tastes), the mujahideen fighters who would come to play such a large part in subsequent events were little more than goat herders and a handful of religious fanatics.  Despite the popular mythology about a timeless, lawless Afghanistan that has grown up in the West since, the country at that time was relatively advanced for the region, and one of the most secular of the Mideast states, too. 

It was getting dragged into the geopolitical struggle between two powers that destroyed Afghanistan.  After the Soviet invasion, Washington dithered for some time about what to do.  The newly elected Reagan administration, full of ideas about economics but initially bland and noncommittal on foreign policy (except for some very traditional anti-communist noise), was not too eager to get involved.  And in spite of the mythos surrounding "Charlie Wilson's War" there was very little support, either in terms of real arms or money, for the mujahideen, not until some charismatic and effective leaders stepped forward.

Osama bin Laden, it should be noted, was not one of these.

He came later to the conflict, quite late, and his men, while well organized and well supplied (by the Pakistanis as much as by us) were not the most reliable.  They tended to be criminals, like many of the mujahideen, and they tended to have their own ideas about how to prosecute the war against the Soviets.  Never on the front lines until near the end of the conflict, bin Laden funneled arms to his "volunteers" throught the Maktab al-Khidamat (or "Afghan Services Bureau") and other organizations, using money from the Saudi ruling elite, of which, it shouldn't be forgotten, bin Laden was still an estranged member at the time of his death.  The Maktab was funded mostly from bin Laden's own family money, as well as the Saudi sources stirred up by bin Laden, and other interested patrons.

But it was the Pakistani military and intelligence (ISI) forces that did most of the training of the fighters inside Afghanistan.  For various reasons--not the least of which was the fear of a repeat of Vietnam--Washington did not want to get too closely involved in the actual combat.  And this continues to be a missing piece in the commentary in the West today.  The close relationship between the Pakistani military and ISI on the one hand, and jihadists in their own country and in Afghanistan on the other, dates from this period.  This is why bin Laden was allowed to live inside Pakistan, relatively openly by all accounts, all this time after September 11th, and only a short distance from Islamabad.  He has had friends there for many years, a relationship that we initially did everything we could to encourage.  Up until September 11th, and perhaps for some time thereafter, he even continued to have regular contact with his handlers inside the ISI.  The best account of these early years of the organization that would become al-Qaeda is to be found in Yossef Bodansky's book, Bin Laden: The Man Who Declared War on America.

We should also take some time to remember that Pakistan at the time of the Soviet-Afghan war was under the dicatorship of Zia-ul-Haq, a ruthless thug that was installed at least in part with support from the U.S.  He was widely considered to be behind the deaths of many of his political opponents, and he never had any trouble dealing with scum like the mujahideen.  He was also, according to Tariq Ali in The Clash of Fundamentalisms, "active [in the] imperial service in Jordan during the Black September of  1973 where he had led a bevy of mercenaries to crush a Palestinian uprising on behalf of Tel Aviv and the Jordanian King."  Scum gravitates to scum.

Later, as we all know, bin Laden became disenchanted with the U.S., first in Afghanistan (where he thought we failed to back up the mujahideen sufficiently), and then later for our invasion of Iraq in 1991.  However much bin Laden despised Saddam Hussein, he was incensed that his own people in the Saudi ruling elite would allow the U.S. military to use bases inside Saudi Arabia for the buildup of massive numbers of troops.  After the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait in August of 1990, bin Laden went to see the Saudi ruler, King Fahd.  Tariq Ali, in his excellent analysis of contemporary U.S. involvement in Iraq, Bush in Babylon: The Recolonisation of Iraq, recounts the event:

"...bin Laden had returned home from the Pamir mountains [in Afghanistan] to be welcomed as a great 'freedom fighter' for his role in helping to defeat the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.  Some weeks after the Iraqi occupation of Kuwait, as the Saudi establishment talked of how to reverse this catastrophe, bin Laden asked for an audience with King Fahd.  This was granted.  During the meeting he pleaded with the King not to permit, leave alone invite, US troops to be stationed in Saudi Arabia.  When Fahd inquired how he intended to eject Iraq without the Americans, Osama is reported to have informed his monarch that an armed force of 30,000 fedayeen already in Saudi Arabia was ready to go into battle and motivated enough to defeat the unbeliever Saddam Hussein.  The King was more shaken by this news than by the occupation of Kuwait.  He hurriedly concluded the interview and then turned to a minister and asked whether it was possible that Osama had an army this size already in the country.  Only when he was reassured that this was all part of a fantasy did the King begin to relax again."

Osama bin Laden, suffice it to say, was not satisfied.  He would soon return to Afghanistan, where he would begin raising a new army of "freedom fighters," albeit with a different enemy in mind.  For years they trained, unmolested, under the protection of the Taliban, who had been left in charge of the country by the U.S. and ul-Haq.  One of the Taliban's first acts was to drag the former president out into the street and shoot him in the head.  There were no complaints from Washington.  It wasn't until much later, when the heinous crimes of the Taliban reached such proportions they gained global attention, that the American policy machine felt it had to do some finger wagging.  During this entire time, bin Laden was training al-Qaeda operatives in Afghanistan and dispatching sleeper cells around the world.  Then, September 11th, 2001...

Of the attacks, Ali concludes, with dramatic understatement, in the closing sentences of the paragraph describing bin Laden's fateful meeting with King Fahd, and his threat of raising an army of 30,000 fedayeen:

"The figure, of course, may have been exaggerated, but Osama bin Laden was certainly not fibbing.  His total alienation from the Saudi ruling family and the attacks of 9/11 were an unexpected minor outcome of the 1990 conflict.  Blowbacks are never immediate."

Indeed.

 

 

 

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Sources:

Yossef Bodansky, Bin Laden: The Man Who Declared War on America (1999, 2001, New York, Random House).

Tariq Ali, The Clash of Fundamentalisms: Crusades, Jihads and Modernity (2002, London, Verso).

Tariq Ali, Bush in Babylon: The Recolonisation of Iraq (2003, London, Verso).

 

 

 

 

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And what will be the blowback this time?
Great historical context. Nailed it. R
excellent post. especially the part about afghanistan before the 'cold war' involvement. that's usually forgotten...all the purges in the PDP, which only included a handful of political players being imprisoned and killed, can't compare to the death and destruction that came after.

also...ul-Haq was trained by the DIA at Fort Bragg. Ali includes this in his book...

the blowback continues...a cycle left over from the 'cold war' era, speeded up for the present age. yeah.
Stu - There are many interconnections here. Carter's people did a lot to influence the troubles inside the PDP. And the Soviet rejection of the Afgani government at the time was due to its not being Stalinist enough--Brezhnev's neo-Stalinist CC didn't like it.

The myth that the government's reforms were unpopular in the countryside is still circulating in Western "intellectual" circles. They actually had widespread support, another sticking point for the Soviets, since they also had strong nationalistic leanings--and the combination of populist-leftism and nationalism always scared Moscow.

Remember the Soviets did the same thing when they suppressed the communist party in Iraq. They convinced enough of its leadership to lay off while Saddam Hussein was coming to power to allow him to grab control. Later he eliminated the left with lists provided by the CIA. The Soviets didn't want the border with Syria destabilized. The U.S. wanted control of oil.

There was a tacit agreement between the Soviets and the U.S., they didn't interfere too much in Iraq, and we would leave Syria be. There were a whole series of such silent deals worked out during the 'cold war'--a submerged history of border-to-border relations, which will have to wait to be written until all the old 'cold warriors' are dead and buried.
The religious fighters in Afghanistan were indeed scum. Their influence in the country during the Soviet occupation was always exaggerated.

Considering the heavy investment by Pakistani military there, I'd say it was a U.S.-Pakistani operation, with the so called "freedom fighters" playing a minor role.

More like last minute walk-ons to the war, if you ask me.
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Davey - I didn't mean to diminish the role of the mujahideen in Afghanistan too much--but they WERE stirred up by the Pakistanis, via ul-Haq's secret police, and they were also largely imported from across the border in Pakistan as the war dragged on. I think that the Washington "experts" had it in their heads to do just enough to keep the Soviets bogged down. Some of Reagan's people have admitted as much.


Also...thanks to Morgan Spurlock for the title of this post. His latest documentary, "The Greatest Movie Ever Sold," is bitchin'. And yes, that's a blurb.
It's all a giant Mobius Loop, ain't it? Only each time through everything deteriorates a little bit more. I'd like to think that these guys in the Pentagon, and the White House, have learned their lesson, but obviously vultures prey upon carcasses, it's in their nature.

I wonder who really killed Bin Laden. Like you say, the ISI finally decided to give him up. What will they want in return?

-r-
Seven words into this piece you told me where you were going, when you wrote that OBL was "murdered". Pregnant word, meaning clear. I thought, OK, let's hear how he was "murdered". Instead you gave me 1202 more words that really don't add up to anything. But thanks for the effort.
I'm worried about the independence of this administration. IS there an Obama Doctrine? What is it? At least Bush knew what he wanted to do, even if it was batshit craziness. This guy just seems to go with whichever way the breeze is blowing from the Pentagon.

Nice history. I haven't heard one single commentator mention today how deeply involved we were with Bin Laden for more than a decade.
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It's disturbing how people are celebrating. It should be a moment for reflection on 9/11, and what's been done in it's wake.

I didn't know that bin Laden came in late in the war against the Soviets, or that the Pakistan military played such a big role. That's a different view from the generally accepted one. It explains a lot, though. I can't believe he was just living in some rich guy's home outside the capitol!
R
His meeting with the good king is revealing. Instant access. We have yet to realize that we are dealing with the same bunch of psychopaths in Saudi Arabia on a daily basis that blew up the Twin Towers ten years ago. History is a bloody business. Afterwards, the fuckers smear away some of the gore and declare Victory. Until...

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u have to go further back than that if you want to understand him. He was one of 50ty siblings, the outcast only child of his father's fourth wife, who has Syrian, not Yemeni, nor Saudi. His religion became the only vehicle available for him to establish an identity. Scratch a fundie of any stripe, and this is the what you get. It's not an "excuse" but it is the psychology that creates extremists. As a martyr at the hands of the US he is now far more dangerous than when he was alive.
skinny - "What will they want in return?" That's a very good question. The Pakistani government will almost certainly demand that the U.S. stop all drone attacks inside their territory. Now that the No. 1 target has been "terminated with extreme prejudice," I think they have pretty good grounds to make that request. Of course the U.S. won't listen. This administration really is so preditable on domestic issues because they're solidly corporatist; and they're predictable on foreign policy because they're a continuation of the Bush regime.
thebadscot - Murder is endemic to the human race. Only a naif believes that one "side" has a monopoly on it.

manhattankid - What you describe is a pattern with liberal administrations in Washington. Kennedy was slavish to the war machine, too, at least until it bit him on the ass in Cuba. Carter, the same, only his realization came too late in Iran. And Clinton was much worse than the rest, going even further in Bosnia than the boys at the Pentagon wanted to go.
BenSen - I'm adverse to psychology--especially a trumped up "psychology of the fundamentalist"--as being preferable to history for explaining anything. You're right about the martyr thing though...bin Laden makes the perfect martyr.

Sam - The submerged version of history is often startling when first encountered. Then one realizes that there are even deeper forces at play, like economics and the social-organic. Capital plays a big role here, too.

DrLee - The problem is we have one party with two right wings. (Thank you Gore Vidal, you almost got it right.) And when it comes to foreign policy, this is the Imperialist Party.
bin laden's money was his own, at least until his reputation was established. the family are billionaires. he wouldn't be getting any saud money, he despised them, and they feared him.

bin laden began to establish his reputation in a firefight with the russian commandos (spetsnaz), there was never any implication of being willing to talk rather than fight.

american troops were stationed in saudi arabia before the invasion of kuwait, growing up in their presence is one of the formative factors that alienated obl from the sauds, although their debauchery and profligate mismanagement of the national wealth might be an even stronger factor. the occupation of kuwait, aka 'the rescue,' allowed these troops to be left there, to relief all around.

assuming for the moment that obl doesn't pop up with today's newspaper in hand, forgive me if i'm cynical about american 'information,' we can expect a final video from obl, 'on the occasion of my death.' perhaps he will have something useful to say about new leadership, or maybe just an exhortation towards the caliphate and salaam aleikum.

like him or not, he was a great man, and may do more dead than alive.
Thanks, Boko, for a solid appraisal. Chilling, but solid.
Al loomis writes: "american troops were stationed in saudi arabia before the invasion of kuwait, growing up in their presence is one of the formative factors that alienated obl from the sauds."

He was almost 40 by then for crying out loud.

And Ben Sen adds, "His religion became the only vehicle available for him to establish an identity." Really? Sez who? Was not Plato or Kant or William James available to the rich Saudi? That sort of thinking is mush. He learned (from his Koran I presume) and he made his choice. Sowed the wind and reaped the whirlwind. Dumped, not "buried" at sea; good riddance.
al - bin Laden did not simply use his own money to support the efforts in Afghanistan, he recruited many donors both inside the royal coterie and beyond in the closely associated Saudi business class, and indeed througout the Middle East. Many of these patron continued to support him well after the end of the war. He was not endlessly rich, and he was never a billionaire--although you're right, of course, the Saud royal family are billionaires many times over, they just don't hand out money willy nilly. His inheritance, which he received at majority, amounted to a little over $100 million.

And yes, there were American troops in Saudi Arabia even before the invasion of Kuwait. But the issue he was discussing with Fahd was obviously whether or not to allow the Saudi state to be used to attack a neighboring state with hundreds of thousands of forces. This is war, and he considered that to be a desecration of holy Saudi soil, as well as being a signal of the Saud royal family's obeisance to America--remember, bin Laden always chafed under the suggestion that he did anything at the behest of the U.S.

Kim - Thank you. And it continues...
obama said he would be a gamechanger going into office, but he is still playing the same game set up by bush/cheney. who both popped out of the woodwork to be interviewed & congratulate obama & the military....
viva la Warmachine
To tyrants are drawn the imitators. His models were the U.S. and Soviet originals, and look at what he wrought.
I think there's some disagreement about whether or not he belonged to the Saud royal family. I assume you mean that because he was Wahhabist, rich, brought up close to the ruling clan, and knew some members of the family when he was young, that means he was part of their group, which is the same thing in Saudi Arabia where genealogy means less than group association, sectarian and class. But when you use the term member of the royal family, that seems misleading. His father wasn't directly related, but he swore an oath to Faisal after he deposed his brother. But they're all part of the Saud clan, yes, in everything but name only--they get special favors, state contracts, and run a huge construction and development business.
A. - Thank you. That was misleading. I've changed it to "Saudi ruling elite."
A. - On the other hand, the distinction between genealogy and the other factors you mention is false. All royalty is built on robber baronry, and this isn't just a distant historical fact from some unrecoverable past. It continues to be the case. The royal family in Great Britain, for instance, has absorbed a number of wealthy people into their ranks by bestowing titles that also come with a right to inheritance. You get the money, and the rank. And the family fortune adds to the royals' own. In other words, in the age of capitalism, royalty is a fact of investment as well as investiture. When bin Laden's father swore an oath to Prince Faisal it was because he was offering his help in building up the state. He was already very rich and so he became a major investor in this new project, the contemporary state of Saudi Arabia. So in a sense, Faisal needed him more than he needed Faisal. In return, as you've pointed out, the bin Ladens were brought into the ruling circle. Which carries with it all kinds of benefits besides the financial ones. Their children can intermarry with others' in the elite group, they have access to certain diplomatic resources, and so on.

Hmm, maybe I was right to begin with...well, I'll leave it. Thanks again!
my favorite bumper sticker for the Bush Sr prez campaign was, "Support Bush/buy cocaine" refering to the favorite form of funding the CIA employed. great historical context. good work. we couldn't have had bin laden had it not been for Bush Sr. talk about service to his nation.... even gave his sons presidency a mission. what a guy. R
..and where in the world did Osama bin Laden go ? To the depths of the Arabian Sea? Without defilement or debasement of Obama's body and/or others before or after the alleged time of killings? Covert military and intelligence 'services' are rarely known to be truthful in either their initial or subsequent accounts of their covert operations, so one need not be a incurable cynic to doubt official accounts of the alleged US assassination assault on 2May in Abbottabad.

For all the evidence proffered thus far, one could be led to believe that Osama et. al were taken into custody some time ago and the Abbottabad assault was merely a staged event preceded a couple days by Obama's announcements of retiring general Petreas becoming CIA director and CIA director Panetta replacing Gates at the Pentagon.

Assertions that could be made on the 'evidence' thus far:

--- Osama was thoroughly 'interrogated' prior to his disposal, if he was in fact killed
--- the 'downed' black hawk was intentionally left to explode in the compound

When was the last time Americans celebrated assassination and murder with such enthusiasm as some exhibited last night? When a society's joy of killing takes precedence over the desire for truth, such a society has lost it's humanity, has ceased to be society of reason and become a monster of passion.

Besides being struck by some Americans celebrating the murder of Osama and others, i cringed on seeing a 9/11 NY widow speak on tv of "the 3000 killed". Rounding 9/11 deaths to the next convenient, easier to say higher number (ie, 3000) does a disservice to those who were killed by actions of the 9/11 hijackers.

>>The terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 resulted in 2,996 deaths, including the 19 hijackers and 2,977 victims. The victims were distributed as follows: 246 on the four planes, 2,606 in New York City in the towers and on the ground, and 125 at the Pentagon. All the deaths in the attacks were civilians except for 55 military personnel killed at the Pentagon...."Casualties of the September 11 attacks" - - wikipedia

Besides 2,996 deaths including the hijackers, it's the added 4 imaginary/meaningless numbers used to make 3000 that constitutes the disservice, the disgrace to each victim whose extinguished life adds to the total of 2977. Either each death is significant or it is not...if not, then just add a few extra numbers to the total for the sake of convenience.
Russ Baker talks about bin Laden (and his family) a lot in Family of Secrets - as does Robert Fisk in the Clash of Civilizations. The whole family was quite wealthy. Bin Laden himself was a very wealthy construction contractor (he built highways) before he was recruited by the CIA. The bin Ladens were very close to the off-the-shelf intelligence network Bush senior build with the Saudi Royal family (after Carter removed him as CIA director). The only flights leaving the US on Sept 11, 2011 were those evacuating the bin Laden family back to Saudi Arabia.
Delia - I think that Bush Sr.'s role at the CIA has been greatly exaggerated. Much like Tenet and many recent appointees, his role seemed to be more one of lead administrator than anything else. Ineffectual tendencies run in the family...and bin Laden was self-made, if nothing else.

anti-terror - Conspiracy theories aside (really, I don't care what happened in Abbottabad, and I don't watch spy shows on FOX TV either), I think that the celebration has more to do with the inability of anyone in Washington to come up with a real way to handle the economic crisis than anything else.

kosher - Thanks for stopping.

DrBramhall - Osama bin Laden's father was more than just a construction magnate, his firm built a great deal of the infrastructure of the contemporary state in Saudi Arabia and the surrounding Gulf States. In some ways, they're more integral to these countries than the reigning "royalty" there.
One should add to that last comment of mine about the bin Laden's and the Gulf states...Capital, like everywhere else, plays the leading role in the so called "monarchies" of today. Just as it does in Iran, where the ruling clerical class, of course, controls the oil concessions and comprises the capitalist elite.
it's amazing how much of the converage focuses on "how bin laden changed the society we lived in today." as if the security state weren't already in place long before 9/11. it's been a steady evolution since world war 2 in all the western "democracies," as agamben points out.
I see that Nick Carraway says we "won the war on terror." Somebody had to put all the pithy platitudes of imperialism that were being thrown around this week together in one post. Nick managed it.

Stu - The message of aetiology is a strong one, isn't it? People think that the moment one talks of an origin--rather than, say, a linkage, which is a much stronger and a much more rigorous category of analysis--then one is thought to be talking about something important, or worse, a "truth," without any further discussion of this base assertion. Rather most of the time the debate flies above it. Now look at the first part of this comment, and you'll know exactly what I think of the idea that "bin laden changed the society we live in." Of course we changed it. And have been changing it into an unlivable security state, for some time now.
Aetiology, by the way, comes from the Greek for "giving reason to." And not "for" as is commonly thought. Reason, as always, is the most contestable claim of them all.
I just thought of something: If Chalmers Johnson really were as perspicacious as some people make him out to be, he would have understood, especially from his perspective, that the so called "cold war" really was an extended period of undeclared war--or a series of undeclared wars. The fixation on forms (the declaration, or the lack of one), here, hides the type of aetiology that is a becoming, a long-term one. The "war on terror" is just the latest, and not even penultimate, of these. It's no more vague than the others, although the state has been driven further since, say, Vietnam, into its own heart: the state of exception. Look at the reveling in sadism. Look at it.
The egg of the Bush years has indeed broken open, and the larvae have spilled out.
One of a number of generations, and mutations, as you suggest...
Thank you. These are some of the missing pieces from the picture being offered to us.



Contextual.
Interesting. That UBL wasn't as rich as depicted, or that AQ wasn't as well financed, either, shows that imperialism is more fragile than one would imagine. Interesting,.
DrLee - A violent birth of...what? I guess we'll find out.

mrvoulezvous - Context always helps. So does perspective. I'm embarrassed by how little of either have popped up over the last week.

Rw005g - I think that the point to make about the financing of al-Qaeda is that bin Laden and his lieutenants (and the same will hold true for whoever takes over) were neither hooked up with a direct line to unlimited cash from sympathetic patrons (the Michael Moore & crowd version) nor were they living on two beans and a prayer a day (the Pentagon/Dupont Circle/Georgetown version, which seems to give them a surprising amount of credit--but then Empire loves to picture its enemies in a romantic light). Instead they got a boost at the beginning from bin Laden's payoff from his family, and then as that ran out, they found whatever sources they could. Drug money probably makes up a big portion of it now--another effect of Afghanistan's being dragged into the geopolitical blender: opium production is up by many times what it used to be. Who wants to eke out a living from goat herding in a war zone?
Rw - It should go without saying, but the comment above about opium production being up doesn't just imply al Qaeda or even solely Taliban involvement. Rather what I mean to point to is the fact that in a conflict zone opportunities for making a livelihood don't exactly increase. One reason so many people who up to that point had avoided getting into the dodgy business of growing a big cash crop like opium go into it once a war starts is that the disruption of conflict wreaks havoc with the usual everyday business of just getting by. People who may have prided themselves on steering clear of getting involved in the opium growing trade suddenly run out of options. And anyway, growing it was never really considered a bad thing in the region, at least until the Taliban showed up, and they were never very successful at convincing people to stop--their own involvement in growing it, and their involvment with exporters of the product, may have had something to do with that. Everyone in Afghanistan has always known what hypocrites and weirdos the Taliban are, even if Washington didn't care to figure it out for a long time.
Since I use quotations from a couple of his books in the post, I think it's worth noting what Tariq Ali has to say about Afghanistan in his latest, "The Obama Syndrome":

"After invading Afghanistan in 2001, the US and European auxiliaries imposed a puppet government of their own making, confected at a conference in Bonn, headed by a CIA asset [Karzai] and seconded by an assortment of Tajik warlords, with NGOs in attendance like page boys in a medieval court. This bogus construct never had the slightest legitimacy in the country, lacking even the modicum of narrow but dedicated base the Taliban had enjoyed. Once installed in Kabul, it concentrated its energies on self-enrichment. Aid was diverted, corruption generalized, narcotics--suppressed [but note, he doesn't say eradicated] by the Taliban--set free. Karzai and company amassed a huge amount of wealth: over 75 percent of the funds from donor countries were handed directly to Karzai's cronies, the Northern Alliance or private contractors used by both. The construction of a new five-star hotel and a shopping mall became priorities in one of the world's poorest countries, while torture and murder proceeded routinely a short distance away: Bagram has become a chamber of horrors that makes Guantanamo look civilized. Opium production reached an all-time high, soaring to over 90 percent above its levels in 2001...The mass of the Afghan poor have received little or nothing from the new foreign-imposed order except increased risk to life and limb, as the reorganized Taliban hits back at the occupation and NATO bombs rain so indiscriminately on villages that even Karzai has repeatedly been forced to protest."

A grim picture.
Ali goes on to note how as the situation deteriorated, the Karzai government, and then the U.S. and its allies, became increasingly willing to cut a deal with the Taliban. Karzai even suggested that the Taliban leaders be removed from Most Wanted lists. Meanwhile efforts at rooting out endemic local government involvement with the Taliban and the general corruption of the Karzai government were stopped, except for a handful of operations that targeted high profile "suspects," including Karzai's own relatives. These had the added benefit to Karzai of removing potential rivals.
As thorough and analysis as I've read anywhere. Afghanistan had the bad fortune to be in the path of an important oil pipeline from the Caspian, which made it a target for the Russians, the US and the Pakistanis. The country also remains a sore spot -- as if another is needed -- in the long-running feud between Pakistan and India, with both countries looking to add it as a client state.

As for the US invasion, there were other pivotal points besides 9-11. Turning the soccer field into a killing ground and the televised grisly execution of women was one such point that focused the world's attention on just how barbarous were the Taliban.

Another point was the destruction of the ancient, giant statues of the Buddha by these ignorant thugs. Cruel as it may sound, people can be replaced, but those statues never can be. While murder is a terrible crime against a person, the destruction of these statues was a crime against humanity and civilization.

Neither of those provocations would have been sufficient cause to invade Afghanistan, of course, but they certainly set the stage. And after 9-11, invasion was inevitable.

For all his purported brilliance, Usama bin Laden was incapable of connecting these dots -- just as he was apparently incapable of recognizing he had lost most of his value to the Pakistanis, and thus became, as the say in the spy trade, expendable.
Tom - Certainly blowing up the artifacts of a world religion was significant, but it wasn't the first time that attention was focused on the activities of the Taliban, and not just on the ground. Al Qaeda were implicated in several terrorist attacks before 9/11, so the Taliban, as their hosts, already had a frayed relationship with Washington. But at the time there were a lot of people in the policy machine that thought they could cut a deal with the Taliban, either by using Pakistan, or some other third party, as an intermediary. There still are people in Washington who believe this, and are trying to do it as a way of setting up our exit from Afghanistan. Silly rabbits. Thanks for stopping by.
The death of Osama bin Laden is being used to ratchet up the police state all over the world right now. In Davao in the Philippines, in Kuala Lumpur, all over the subcontinent, cities are being locked down by their governments. This was meant to happen--it's a gift from the Great Grandpapa USA to these reactionary rightwing governments, and it will continue to be used to suppress elections, keep workerist parties from power--the system is collapsing and the ruling classes in these places, which are now tied in a death-lock to the US ruling class, needed a reason to clamp down. And so it was provided.
Davey - Yes, it's a pattern that's emerged. I noticed on stupot's blog today that the Yemeni situation is ripe. Seems that the "extra-judicial" murders continue, too. This time with an al Qaeda operative whose death, no doubt, is meant to dramatize how the country can't be trusted. It's a hotbed of radicalism evidently. Imagine that. The people who are so willing to step forward like well ordered puppets to inform us how "each of these countries are different," and most of whom have never been to any of these places, are just doing the work of re-inscribing what power wants them to say. It's a naked declaration of power's own insistence on treating people differently according to its own interests. Now here is the real work of self-sabotage.
The blowback commences. Sixty eight died today in a bombing in NW Pakistan in Peshawar, where paramilitary recruits were gathered. Previously several bombs exploded in other areas. Reports have also come out showing increased attacks on the border and inside neighboring Afghanistan since the operation against bin Laden.
I see that people have shown up here on this site to try and make us feel bad about some of the deaths from violence in the Middle East. But millions have been murdered in the Middle East for oil. Yes, what of it? What of it, are you insane? No. Then...you're a conservative? Glad to meet you...I'm your conservative side. That's horrifying. I know. I'm on TV too. And on the ballot. All over. SEEEE. Now, who do you believe.......?

This is the mania that fixates us. Appalling. There is structural analysis, and there is the abyss.
....yes, but again, i think that it can be done in a relatively orderly fashion.....
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


No, seriously. Deterministically.