I typically would not bother doing this, but I feel it is only fair to provide a forum on my own account for those seeking to respond.
I have made several comments concerning hate speech on Sally Swift’s post, Gun Violence in Phila Movie, Shut Up Or I’ll Shoot You specifically directed at two other commenters in that thread.
If they or their supporters wish to reply here, on my own account, they can do so on this post. My other posts all have comments closed because I am no longer a constant presence here and have no desire to moderate comments on a continuing basis.
So, if anyone wants to have a go at me for what I said, here’s a place to do it. If you libel another member or post someone's personal information, I'll delete your comment. Otherwise, no deleting.
Comments are and remain open. I reserve the right to reply or not as I see fit. If you don’t like those rules, don’t bother leaving a comment.
**Updated 8/15/2012
Well, apparently KitD doesn't like to be called chickenshit for closing comments. She posted the following update on her "Circumstantial Evidence" post (which STILL has comments closed) which I've taken the liberty to screen-shot and post here.
Now, before you look, go WAY BACK UP in the content of THIS post and read where I said:
My other posts all have comments closed because I am no longer a constant presence here and have no desire to moderate comments on a continuing basis.
Yep - I closed comments on those older posts because I'm rarely here anymore and don't want to be bothered moderating for spam and stuff.
So, here's Kit's defense:
I guess someone needs reading comprehension skills.
One last thing, Kit - there's a HUGE difference between closing comments because you're gone, and closing comments because you don't want to deal with dissenting opinions. Seeing as how you're so brilliant and all, I figgered you already knew that.
Shucks, I guess I was wrong.
*UPDATED 10/31/2012
Just for grins, I came back and checked out the stats for both trudie jackson and Fusun. Funny that Fusun went quiet near the end of August - no comments, no ratings going on. trudie went quiet too on the comment front, but it still racking up the rates. And neither one has a new post up.
Now, that may be due to the situation here at Open Salon; lord knows, it is hit or miss as to whether you can post/comment/sign in or not. Maybe trudie decided that rating was way more fun than posting or commenting; maybe Fusun has decided to give up on OS.
But considering the frequency that Fusun used to post, and considering the veracity that trudie exhibited in her "I Am Not A Puppet" post (not the title, just my take on it), it looks kinda funny to me.
*UPDATED 4/23/2013
Well, this is probably the last update for this post. I will leave comments open anyway, just in case anyone feels a burning desire to say something to me regardless of the subject.
But I had to make one last check on the activity of good ole' trudie jackson and Fusun - they both quit posting and commenting here within days of each other in August 2012. Which in and of itself is really not evidence of anything at all.
Thanks much - I sincerely hope I never feel a need to do this again. But if you remaining folks really want this site to shine, you'd best get about the business of policing it yourselves because when you allow fraud and hate speech to proliferate, you lend a measure of acceptability to it - and a site that supposedly exists for the purpose of creativity cannot survive when it is saturated with fraud and hate.
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It goes to show that some people are very good at hiding their darker sides. I always thought of rwnutjob as a political foil on this site, and tended to ignore his comments and posts. But something as outrageously blatantly racist as that last one was simply not going to go unchallenged.
Dude, your post is a template, not of right wing or conservative attitudes, but of lunatic fringe, skinhead, neo-nazi thought, pretty much a modern version of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. You're a neo-nazi bot and no independent thinker.
As for Fusun, I have doubted her judgment for some time now. She needs to consider what she is supporting. Someone can say the sky is blue, and surround that statement with the vilest of hate speech. That nugget of truth or reasonableness does not detoxify the general tone of the statement. You endorse the comment, you're endorsing all of it, unless you are very clear what it is you agree with and what you don't. And frankly, vigorous support of "the sky is blue" part of the comment, along with criticism of those who objected to the hate speech, while ignoring the hate speech itself, makes you appear to endorse the whole comment.
Oh, if people are mean to you on the internet--take a pill, take a drink, don't post about it. Embarrassing posts are embarrassing.
Well, I'm giving folks the opportunity - though I suppose most will simply restrict themselves to PMing each other and making vague comments on other posts.
Comments remain open here.
But in case anyone missed my take: RW's comments are anti-Semitic propaganda and what's worse he singled out Sally and blamed her for some of the supposed sins of *The Jews*. And Fusun supported his stance (see Sirenita's comment for a run-down of that) and she further said that Sally's side-mention of not celebrating Christmas opened the door to being dumped on with anti-Semitic slime.
"A few get it", RW says, and from his comments on OS and on Orphans, where I am alarmed to find his presence, at least one of those is the awful guy from Ottawa who posts, if possible, even worse racist rants.
To be against this is to be some kind of out-there Liberal kool-aid drinker? Really, RW?
Almost as repugnant are all those people who think Fusun is being picked on for no reason, or that there is some kind of equivalency of opinions between the anti-Semite (and his supporters) and those opposed to hate speech...that the subject of a disagreement doesn't matter, only the behavior of the participants, that discussing whether or not *Jews* are collectively awful is all same as discussing baseball or something...both subjects are fine for 'discussion' and expressing of 'opinions' pulled from behinds as long as civility reigns. NO! There is no civility despite whatever tone of the discussion when the subject is how The Jews Do Awful Things.
You want an Awful Things contest? It's your and my people, Mike (judging by name and picture, you're Euro). A branch of our people, the Germans, committed atrocities on a grand scale in our (or at least my) lifetime. Sometimes I feel a little uneasy being part of the for-many-centuries overlord race, but since Some Of My Best Friends are decent specimens I figure not to paint all gentile whites with the same brush.
Eh, this is all so imbecilic...
Well, I didn't really do anything other than provide a space for people to disagree with me if they saw fit to. Apparently, they don't as none of them came.
Or maybe they prefer to leave comments elsewhere - who knows?
I just wanted to be fair and give others equal time, when warranted and appropriate.
But thanks for coming by and having your say as well.
Do the same yourself Mr B.S. Because right now you really look like a clown acting like some morality police with no idea of what he's talking about. And please keep your voice down,we can hear without you souting in bold letters and writing in upper case. We who can read for ourselves at least. You're giving many of us a huge headache besides offending my Jewish friends with your ignorance.
"But you really oughta learn to read - it would save you a whole lotta typing and then looking silly yourself." Your exact words Kitd's post.
Do the same yourself Mr B.S. Because right now you really look like a clown acting like some morality police with no idea of what he's talking about. And please keep your voice down,we can hear without you souting in bold letters and writing in upper case. We who can read for ourselves at least. You're giving many of us a huge headache besides offending my Jewish friends with your ignorance."
http://open.salon.com/blog/trudie-j
Thanks for stopping by, especially since you have used an account that is suspected of being an alternate account of Fusun's.
So, do your Jewish friends know about the comment your "friend" Fusun left on rwnutjob's post? That your "friend" RATED it? (I've saved it off for posterity, in case you were wondering - the entire post, so ytour "friend"'s comment is in context. I like context, don't you?).
If they do, I'd bet your "friend" won't have Jewish friends for long. I also hope you didn't miss that part on Sally's post where I TOLD YOUR "FRIEND" I WAS JEWISH. Guess that gives me the right to an opinion as to what constitutes hate speech against Jews, doesn't it.
Have a nice day.
Gotta love flowers. :-D
Well, Kit doesn't like that, I guess:
"I have found that reasons/motives are seldom obvious and most folks who make public assumptions about why others do what they do are generally bored and needful of something much more interesting to do that fantasize about what others are thinking.
We all choose to read what we want to read. I don't visit your blog, Bill, and I don't generally follow your comments. When you made your statement suggesting that me closing comments was evidence of my cowardice, I meandered over to your site and glanced at your record of closed comments. My "sin" is making the observation that you condemned me for the very thing you did, and the reasons either of us did the same thing are, in my mind immaterial.
I'm not interested in fighting you or anyone else. However, when people continue to pull my name into a dialog, I'm not going to timidly sit by. I did that for a long time, and the digs escalated.
If you want to scurry over to anyone else's slapfest and join in the merriment of ridiculing and mocking someone, be prepared to reap the fallout - in this case, having your hypocrisy exposed.
I said early on that I didn't want this thread to be contaminated by the dust. When I was asked to not post comments on the same blog that you used to attack my integrity, I respected that wish and I did not. I have made no such request of you, Bill, except that you and others not use this blog to perpetrate your issues. You have violated this request.
You have indicated your intentions to post your own blog and I encourage you to do so if that's what you want to do. I will respectfully ask you again to quit using this thread to derail the original topic."
http://open.salon.com/blog/kitd/2012/08/14/elephants_in_the_room#comment_3045018
So I chose to respond once more (in case she decides to delete my comment as well):
Well, Kit, when you call me out in the post itself, that makes my comments on topic. Particularly since you provide no method of redress because - silly me - you closed comments on the post where you mentioned me. You ought to have figgered that out by now.
I've seen you close comments before, and it's always because YOU don't want to deal with the fallout from your statements. So, you can read hypocrisy into my statements if you like - but I'll stand by those statements, thanks. And if you wish to make reference to me in a post, I suggest you leave comments open so that I can reply in the forum where you mentioned me.
Of course, it's your blog so you can do as you see fit - but of course, mentioning me in a post where you closed comments, thereby denying me the opportunity to reply there, seems eminently chickenshit, don't you think?
And of course, she DID delete it.
Big girl panties, Kit - find your size and order some.
Sorry, Kit. You did not delete it.
So, you see, you get to respond where you were mentioned.
That's fair. Don't you agree?
Oh, and DINGDINGDING!!!
That statement is complete falsehood, Kit. Just to make sure, I went *BACK* to that post and went through every comment with your name. Didn't find *ONE* comment from Candace asking you to stay away. Unless you now wish to claim you received a PM from Candace, which I can easily check by just asking her.
So, *YOU* had the opportunity to address your accusers in the forum in which you were accused. Then you created a post accusing others of things and closed comments on that post, so that *THEY* could not address you in the forum where you accused them.
Hmmmm..... kinda makes the pedestal you climbed up on even more wobbly, doesn't it?
You are more ignorant than I gave you credit for Mr B.S. assuming everything you claim and filling in blanks with your imaginings to fabricate lies. You are pathetic and beyond salvation because people like your own kind (blind ingnorants) think you have integrity. You wouldn't know if integrity hit you flat on the face. You are a dangerous rebel rouser and a slandedrer of the worst kind who hides his ignorance and insecurity behind his loud barking trying to drown any reasonable voices. Go ahead, accuse me of being an alter of FusunA, or KitD, or any other intellect who you cannot stand here. I wish I was. but I can't even write half as good as they write. I came here to read and enjoyed some writers more than otehrs. Sometimes I rate and don't comment because I prefer not to sound dumb like you and your blind followers. You just cannot stand that someone's intelligent and educational posts could be so much liked by so many readers who may just show appreciation without commenting, that automaticly you think, Oh, that can't be! She must padding her own ratings. Think what you want, but don't slander a person who obviously doesn't give a rat's ass about you or your followers gossips and lies . I think that really bothers you Mr B.S. You expect your lies to be dignified, how dare anyone ignore you??? Bark on till your out of hot air. I'll go on merrily reading and rating who I want.
Again, please - I'm all for you having a place to have your say but could you get your facts clear and quit calling me a liar....
Maybe not as upset as the people who were continuously harassed and slandered by fake accounts over a year's time; maybe not as upset by people who had to witness the support of hate speech here.
But, apparently, you're upset.
Have I got that right?
Kit, I do not honestly recall making any comments about *YOU* on Rita's post. Sadly, the post is apparently gone. Apparently, when the post disappeared, so did whatever comments I made (including what's in my activity feed - I checked, hoping to find at least a portion of a comment there, but nothing's there anymore).
So if you have proof of that comment, please show me what I said. Because, see, the only comment I can find where I mentioned you is the one on Candace's post.
If I did, then I'll apologize for calling you a liar - because I thought we were talking about Candace's post.
But I'll still insist that putting assumptions about *ME* on a post where comments are closed, thereby denying me the right of rebuttal where you made those assumptions, is chickenshit.
Just so we're clear.
As a matter of form, there does seem to be several things you don't recall. You actually posted several comments on Rita's blog - now you say you simply don't remember. That's not a problem. But accusing someone of lying while you can't even recollect pertinent information seems, I don't know, a little incongruent to me, that's all.
I get that you were quite disturbed by me closing comments. And honestly, I don't really care. In a nutshell - it was my choice, and if you want to label it as cowardly, no problem. I was just, well, amused that one who thought my behavior (closing comments) was cowardly had engaged in the same behavior (closing comments) - that's all.
Regardless your reasons, which you made public, or my reasons, which I chose to not make public, the behavior, the closing of comments, was the same. I do not think I demonstrated cowardice in doing so any more than I think you demonstrated cowardice in doing so.
"I think closing comments is chickenshit. If you're gonna have your say, put on your big girl panties and take your lumps along with it.
I refuse to even look at posts where comments are closed. Not worth my time to deal with a closed mind."
Bill S.
AUGUST 13, 2012 08:19 PM
Well, gee whiz, li'l ole me had an opinion concerning "people who close comments". So, since you lay claim to being a person, I can no longer generalize my comments?
Wow. Good to know.
As for publicly vs. privately having reasons, the big difference deary is that I GAVE YOU A PLACE WHERE YOU COULD CRITICIZE ME - if you so choose.
I always give people an opportunity to rebuff me. My post? Absolutely 100%. Other people's posts? I don't control what they do on their posts. If you even bothered to note (which I doubt you did because, golly, you're too busy jumping to conclusions and closing comments), on Candace's post I offered her the opportunity to delete a comment I had made to Stathi after Candace asked her to stay away. That was a direct comment made to Stathi.
So I guess, I'll forgo that apology.
Gee willikers, I hope you don't mind.
Even though none of them mention you.
I guess you didn't really READ that comment up above, where I said:
"Kit, I do not honestly recall making any comments about *YOU* on Rita's post."
Well, I guess we're square then on my memory.
Thanks again!
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Well B.S., I doubt you're 'thrilled' that I came back to spell out the obvious you refuse to see . I think you're really shit-disturbed to be pointed to the truth, and questioned to speak on someone else's behalf , but far it be from you to admit you are wrong.
What's so unclear that you can't make out sense of my reply. Are you really that dumb or that ignorant behind your self rigteous mask that fooled so many? You can't fool everyone with your BS, I'm one of them. Nothing being upset about that - just a fact. You are really boring and pathetic you know???.
You have no evidence to support your position, "trudie". As far as *MY* position regarding your "friend", nearly all of my comments have been directed at:
1) the comment(s) left on Sally Swift's post (still there).
2) the comment and rate left on rwnutjob's post (no longer there, but I have a copy of the post and the comment stream - you know, just in case anyone wants to deny what was said).
So, go ahead and keep coming back and ranting in pretend broken English - you aren't fooling anyone, you know. :-D
Lastly who the hell do you think you are "To Promote Fairness"?
Don't bother answering, you wouldn't know.
I've no reason to be nervous - I haven't done anything wrong. I haven't used alternate accounts to pump up my ratings like some folks.
I haven't shown support to hateful, racist comments and posts.
By the way, how's the weather in Montreal?
I think that's fair - don't you?
i'll skip blithely over the topic of the recent uncovering of fakery and just say: if trudie is who she is suspected of fronting, i would point out all the spelling and grammer and punctuation errors in her comments and suggest that - just maybe - that's why people got a tad annoyed with her offering them editing help.
So I just wanted to make sure that there wasn't something else going on. I have all the proof I need of what I said, don't even give it another second's consideration. :-D
But thanks much for the offer, and I am not the least bit uncomfortable with you taking that post down. I'm only sorry that you felt the need to - but I definitely understand and don't blame you one bit.
http://weather.aol.com/mycities
That's where my family goes to check weather on line. You can find out any towns (including Montreal's) weather for yourself if you're that curious.
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To femme aka candace:
``i would point out all the spelling and grammer and punctuation errors in her comments and suggest that - just maybe - that's why people got a tad annoyed with her offering them editing help.``
FYI: I never offer help to anyone, and I don`t even comment on every post I read here. I don`t even know who you are except a cartoon face.
Keep up the good work and come back as often as you like. I don't really care about where you get your weather reports from. I can get weather reports on anyplace I want: London, Abu Dabi, Mississippi, Delaware, Canada... I mean, weather happens all over, you know?
Happy Halloweeen.
Comments will remain open as long as this account remains. I will try to occasionally come back and check for any new comments, but honestly - if you're commenting about this event NOW, you're more than late to the party and it isn't really worth it.