I am posting below a comment I left on the most recent blog from the Open Salon contributor who calls herself Safe_Bet's Amy. Her blog discussed what it takes to earn an Editor's Pick on OS. She is extremely dubious about the judgement of the editors who make the picks. If you know her work, you will know that she was practically foaming at the mouth. She is a colossal hater, this one, and makes no effort to conceal it. Her presence on OS can best be described as pestilential.
Apart from this preamble, I believe my comment speaks for itself:
My hasty research indicates that you have written in the neighborhood of 150 blogs on Open Salon and have received one EP. With the exception of that one EP, I would say that your history here verifies the sound judgement of the editors.
Before I read this bitch-and-moan submission, a genre in which you specialize, I didn't know about Richard Rider. Having learned that he appears to be diametrically opposed to everything you stand for, and vice versa, I looked him up and have made him a Favorite. Thanks for the heads-up.
I will now sit back and await your tortured attempt to characterize this comment as homophobic. They say that the best defense is a strong offense, and you are as offensive as anyone could possibly be.
(For those who wonder whether this comment came from out of left field, I will mention that I have been repeatedly plagued, on my own blog, by psychotic comments from this blogger. I have asked her to desist, and sometimes she does, but never for long. One has to take a stand against barbarians.)
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I like Amy. She stands up for herself and is consistent in the stand that she takes which tells me she has honesty. I have seen her joke and laugh, and I have seen her go on a tear. But I wouldn't characterize her as a plague. Plagues are indiscriminate assholes.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Go eat summore prunes, dude! You need them badly!
P.S. and no... This post isn't homophobic. What it is is a personal attack. Not a very good or credible one, but one none the less.
Pretty damn pitiful, Artie. You and Lil' Dicky make a nice couple.
as for your assessment of amy's character? couldn't be more wrong. you're the one acting like a barbarian.
*high fives Amy*
Amy you are so lucky you don't actually have to be anywhere near me, cause I would so be throwing that word into conversations with you for the next few weeks ;D
Love ya woman. Consider the source.
For the record, if you recall, you also asked me to desist from commenting on your blog. I don't get how a former newspaperman can be so delicate. Unless all you covered was society teas and debutante balls.
You prolly need to "research" what humor is, so I'll wait.
The question is, what's in it for you? I think you're secretly crazy about her and this is your way of getting under her skin. And she's obviously crazy about you. Your little ploy goes on every day in schoolyards the world over. Even your title - all you have to do is substitute "cooties" for "plague" and there you go.
Are you just saying all this because I outed you nefarious plot to live in Kim Gamble's rafters?
Or do you have designs on Artie yourself? Is that it? Do you want him to give you a good "researching" while he gropes your left "field" with his liver spotted hand!
Well he's all yours, toots! I've already told him that his well deserved adoration of me wasn't returned.
I say go for it, Mags! Break out the prunes and let your pestilential barbarian free!
In case you are as obtuse as you are rude, please read the above comment with the extreme sarcasm intended.
I hope you find an alternative forum for your writing sir.
Secondly, Amy herself has come forward in this comments section (four times, no less) to help illustrate what she is like. Her allusions to my age are particularly choice examples. Thank you, Amy, even though there was plenty of evidence available before I ever wrote this.
Third, my friend Margaret, although ultimately she couldn't resist her usual tendency to descend into silliness, let slip the fact that her opinion of Amy may not be far removed from my own. Where we differ is in our choice of a response. Hers is to "ignore." I find it impossible to ignore Amy when she is constantly yapping at my heels in a public forum. Do you know what it is like to be treated for rabies?
The problem is that she won't ignore me.
To those of you who have concluded that I am guilty of some of the same transgressions that I have attributed to Amy, I have to concede that you now have a point. The difference is that I was walking along minding my own business, until the pit bull came barging through the gate. I can't seem to shake her loose, and this essay reflects my frustration with that state of affairs.
As for Margaret, what can I say besides warning you she's the meanest of the mean. No sense of humor whatever. Deadly serious. Be careful.
Chicken, Just for the record, I know when I am being ribbed. I just can't see it your way. I think we must live on different sides of the looking glass.
"Ribbing" is when people are laughing with you. That is quite different from being laughed AT, like you are now.
I think your stewed prunes are ready, dude. Enjoy.
Maybe we both enjoy fighting. Any opponent will do.
"Waaaaaaah! Exhibit 6! *sniffle-honk* A-waaaaaaaah!"
Tossing around names... wow
Artie, big rock eh? Seriously? Your wit's as dull as ever, but on the up side you're still a precious little crybaby.
You might be proving yourself to be a creepy old troll, but at least you're an efficient one!
Nana is a very good writer. Just a little too much of a gun nut for my liking. "Yeehaw, let's fire automatic weapons into the air on the 4th of July!".
tr ig is a douchebag. But, to his credit, gets laid more than anyone that ugly and douchebaggery deserves.
"helmet hair" margaret just needs to get a different haircut and she'd be O.K.
I already had it out with Jeff months ago, and this is beginning to seem like deja vu all over again. He can't seem to resist the limelight.
I don't know if I can handle so many hooligans at once, but it is an interesting challenge.
Joisey, Thanks for your unique insights.
AND NOW: To whom it may concern. I am going to step away from my computer for a while. Feel free to rant and rave if you must, and perhaps I will return later to put it all in perspective.
Artie, that you think that Joersey/CrazyCzar/JonnieWolfson is Nutz (the only troll to ever be banned from OS to my memory) has "unique insights" is so VERY telling. Congrats, dude! Keep it up and you'll become as big of a laughing stock as your trollish buddy GordO!
Why are we fighting?
I apologize for using your comment thread to make a point. But it's rare that I'm able to point out what I'm about to -- the reason will be obvious in a moment.
It's interesting that you've asked Amy to refrain from commenting on your blog, yet she continues to blather-on. After I legitimately criticized her misinterpretation of an opinion survey about pets and gay partners considered "family" and I said wasn't acting like a responsible parent of two young daughters when she wrote a blog about an almost bar fight she got into, she ranted that I was homophobic and that I was not welcome to comment on any of her blogs.
And you know what -- I haven't commented on any of her posts. Likewise, the MrsRaptor and Darla Carmichael have asked (instructed) me to stay away from commenting on their blogs -- and I've honored their requests.
So again, I find it interesting that Amy (who claims to be a champion AGAINST bullying, harrassment, trollin', abuse, etc.) continues to visit and comment on your blog when you've asked her not to.
Interesting indeed.
The only thing I find appealing about Amy is that she's critical of Jonathan Wolfman on occasion. He and a self-admitted, mentally-ill OSer somehow convinced Open Salon management 9 months ago that my account should be deleted. For what, I'm not sure -- no explanation was ever given. Yet here I am again, out in the "open". I guess OS management realized they made a mistake in deleting my account based on the accusations of two nutz cases.
typo ...
A personal call out with her avatar name in the title itself?
You call her a plague in the title itself so it shows in the feed over and over...even when others might be on to add defense of her?
Who's the colossal hater again?
just phyllis: If you could see what jeff (nanatehay) barber has said about me in the past (let alone today), you would understand
Amy: Exhibit 8.
rita: You keep saying the same insipid thing, and I don't feel obligated to answer every time
Jeanette: Who is fighting?
Joisey: Feel free to express yourself fully on my blog. Nobody else is shy about it.
J.D.: Amy. Her name is Amy.
INTERESTING FACT: Although there are scarcely any people who spoke out in favor of my post, the post has received five ratings, which almost equals the number of people who have come to Amy's defense. Actually, I cannot say with confidence that there is more than one person supporting Amy, because it is impossible to tell how many of the names are actually noms de plume of Jeff (Nanatehay) Barber, the man of a thousand personalities. Someday we may learn that Jeff and I are actually the only OS members, and the only reason the site remains viable is because neither of us sleeps, in my case because of the old-age factor, in his because he is a vampire.
Anyway, the point I am making is that several people approved this blog, but declined to identify themselves, probably because they just don't want to attract attention from the rabid likes of Jeff and Amy (assuming that there really is both a Jeff and an Amy). This is too bad, because everybody who detests them should at least make an effort to hound them out of here. Don't let them do all the hounding. They are soooooo unworthy.
OK, I may come back to this post again, or I may just let everyone piss in the wind. I make no promises, but the post is open 24/7, and I never close comments.
Arthur, remember how much fun we had that last time when I was your trainer and I coached you to a resounding victory over Nanatehay? Didn't that feel good? If I'm not mistaken you broke both his legs and gave him scoliosis.
We can do that to Amy too! Although it'll be trickier. That touch scaly hide, the horn in the middle of her forehead and her tusks and spurs make for a dangerous opponent but the walnut-sized brain will definitely be no problem to outsmart. No contest. You can crush that pestilential plague easy but let's do it slowly because it's more fun to poke a rattlesnake for a while than to get rid of it lickety split.
"Someday we may learn that Jeff and I are actually the only OS members, and the only reason the site remains viable is because neither of us sleeps..." Either you're the world's biggest, most arrogant, most self-important blowhard, or...or... Hmmm.
excellent Nana.
I commend you for that one...
**tosses red roses**
Sure Amy snarks where she might feel it's warranted, & she's bitten me on the ankle more than once but you know what ? That's a woman. A real, live one, god effin' bless her.
Apart from Outside Myself & Smithery, Amy is about as close to OS dedication & love as you're going to get.
If homophobia, hypocrisy & Look-At-Me-I'm-Eighty were the criteria for being a "colossal hater," I'd agree, but Amy's much better than that.
She's a pain in the ass, but she's better than that.
I know dreadful things have befallen you, Arthur, but sometimes age alone doesn't cut it, when you're asking for respect.
" Apart from OM & S, Amy's dedication to SB is about as close to OS love & romance as you're going to get ...
... is better than hating on homophobia, hypocrisy & look-at-me-I'm-eighty ..."
With age I thought comes dignity.
This post isn't that. Not by miles. I used to read you ; no need no more.
Nanatehay posts as nanatehay. What you've done is Diary of a Hopeless Whatever's thing, or the unmissed B Russell's. It's low, & since it's now here forever, it's unforgivable.
It's words on a blog. If they're insulting then hit delete. But wanting to smash Cupcake is going too far.
Despite your amplification of the first message, I am not sure I understand completely what you are saying. It must be the Aussie/American language barrier. So please let me know if this response betrays a misunderstanding of your meaning.
I do not expect, or want, any special consideration related to my age. And I certainly don't get any from Amy, who rattles off an endless stream of age-related cheap shots at me. But that's OK, because I did attack her. All's fair, etc.
You obviously know her better than I do, but I just can't perceive anything admirable about her. I knew nothing about her until she started attacking me on my OS posts. Her comments were so loony and vicious that I asked her, politely, to stay away from my blog. This she could not bring herself to do.
In short, she got my goat, and I finally went public with our differences, as you have noticed.
I am not sure I accomplished much by this. Maybe I got her goat back, but I doubt that I influenced public opinion on OS. By and large it may have been a waste of energy.
As for Nanatehay, my history with him is roughly similar to my history with Amy. I didn't know him from Adam (or Jeff) until he started barging onto my blog and viciously attacking me for my political opinions. He is distinguished for his savagery, and shows it off at every opportunity. It appeared to me that he thought he owned the place, and it seemed that he must be a disturbed person. I decided that I wasn't going to take his crap.
He and I got into a very visible dustup on OS several months ago, but lately we have stayed at arm's length.
Now, however, he has re-emerged from his primordial ooze, attacking me in his usual scorched-earth fashion. This caused me to reach for any defensive weapons at my disposal. If calling him by his given name annoys him, by all means I will do it.
My preference, however, would be for both Nanatehay and Amy to ignore me, and I would be happy to reciprocate. I think OS is not exactly better off for having them on it, but what is one to do?
i don't understand the Cupcake reference.
It seems if you write a political post here, especially from a conservative point of view, you will stand out, & be subject to all kinds of opposing views.
But I bet you knew that.
I can't speak for Amy or nanatehay about their personal issues with you or the way you write or what you write about, but I don't think it's going to get anyone anywhere by calling another OSer a "plague," ~ anywhere but into a bunfight like this.
But I bet you knew that, too.
Fine to air our differences, & I've been guilty as hell, recently, but without the 'language,' unless "sociopath" is 'language.'
I had a problem with that one too, using someone's name instead of their chosen nom.
There are rules, as you know, Arthur. Even if they aren't written down in the OS Terms Of Service, they are about etiquette, civility, & figuring out how to use the internet without causing anyone else lasting harm.
Phyllis was right, up there, when she predicted "This is going to be interesting," but you knew that.
"Cupcake" is her affectionate nom for nanatehay & you don't fool me, you old bastard : you knew that as well. :-)
Why is it that when I read your comments, I always imagine that I am hearing the voice of God? You don't even have a flowing white beard.
As for etiquette and civility, it works both ways. A lot of people jumped on me here, but not on Amy and Nanatehay, neither of whom would ever beat me in a civility contest. It seems to depend on who is whose friend.
Well, gee Artie... Ya think that kinda, sorta might have something to do with the fact that YOU WERE THE ONE WHOLE WROTE THE FREAKIN ATTACK POST! *ahem*
Someone has suggested that you may not exist, that you could be the cleverest creation of Nanatehay, who has countless avatars. Would you care to be interviewed about this by a veteran journalist? DNA testing is optional.
Just make sure that the journalist isn't some senile, old, has been hack with a vendetta. Know what I mean, dude?
BTW, is NOW accusing me of being an alt the best you can do? Pretty freakin pitiful, Artie. I mean seriously.
Amy, since you're me now could you grab me a beer out of the fridge?
Honestly, I am reacting to more than just you. Every time I see one of these titles, I cringe a bit more, and Lord knows there are a bunch of them from a bunch of sources.
They all just seem so unnecessary, and who needs to witness the intentional hurtfulness they convey?
Call it wishfull thinking on my part, but it would be great if the site could lighten up a bit on each other from time to time...you know?r
Sorry for the typo
1. Stop with the attack posts.
2. Stop revealing the real names of bloggers when they have chosen to write under a nom de plume. Revealing their names is despicable.
3. Get a handle on your paranoia about alters. You are grasping at straws here.
Take Mr. Redux who buzzes around here like a horsefly and can come up with nothing better to call me than "helmet head." Can't even come up with anything original; Jonnie Nutzo called me that first. You'd come up with a better insult for me, I know you would. You did too - you called me a librarian on a hotplate, if memory serves.
I wonder what JSR looks like since he has to hide behind a picture of a seashore - duh. Probably a diseased jellyfish. My new pic *soon to be on an avatar near you!* will dispel any image of me as a helmet head.
You and I on the other hand are 100% pseudo avatar free! We're certified organic and 100% natural. That must be why we get along so well.
Here's just a little bit of evidence, drawing on a few of the people who've commented on this post thus far:
1. SBA is obviously an asshole. I really like her. She calls me names and belittles me and my posts in creative ways, and does the same to quite a few others. I'm never sure how serious she is, and it doesn't matter. She makes me laugh and deflates my over-inflated ego for a few minutes. That's a skill, and probably a public service.
2. rita shibr hates what I write most of the time, and thinks I'm a generally rotten person. But she reads my scribblings reasonably often. And hey - that's great! If someone cares enough to tell you fairly frequently that you're an idiot... well there are certainly worse things. I have beloved aunts who do the same thing. I see rita much the same way, plus I think she looks very fetching in a hat.
3. tr ig is from Kansas, so nothing he says matters. Except stuff about his son and some other things. Well, he's actually hilarious and dumb and smart, and if I didn't hide behind a tenuous facade of avatar and fake name, I'd back a beer truck up to his house, get him hammered and insist he entertain me.
4. Joisey Shore - Redux (formerly Joisey Shore, formerly CrazeCzar) is a sometimes laugh-out loud, frequently vicious guy with a permanent hard-on. I sympathize and sometimes empathize. He thinks I'm a pussy when I don't "close the deal". He's wrong, of course, and I'm nothing like him except when I am.
5. Kim Gamble got a good hate on for me a long time ago. It was probably because of something stupid I said, but it's hard to put your finger on which stupid thing, when there are so many possibilities. I seem to recall, however, that we both think a certain cult popular among celebrities is one of the world's very bad things. Anyway, he's smarter than I am, in spite of the fact that he's from that antipodean hell founded by convicts. So when he tells me I'm a piece of wallaby droppings, I just acknowledge that he's probably right.
6. hyblaean-Julie is one of the sweetest, kindest and most accepting people I've ever bumped into anywhere. No silly twist on this one. She's just a good person.
So OS is a really odd place, populated by really odd people. Many of them don't like each other much. Some can be pretty nasty with the comments. (shrug) It's OS. And OS is freaking great.
Final thought? Just my own opinion, but there are ways of responding thoughtfully to a frequent critic. I'm not sure calling someone a "plague" is among the best ways. Fair comment?
**grabs one of Nana's beers, a hand full of DiBi's chips and sits down in Margaret's chair to watch**
Amy/Nana, Where does Amy's head go when you go to sleep?
Goodnight all my dear OS colleagues, real and imaginary
NEWS FLASH!!!!
Arthur can natter all he wants you guys even while wearing atrocious leopard-print house slippers it is protected under the FREEDOM TO BLOG EVEN WHILE WEARING ATROCIOUS LEPOPARD-PRINT HOUSESLIPPERS asterisked part of the Constitution on page 153 and I find it appalling that I have to remind everyone in the wee hours of the Memorial Day Shopping Extravaganza that our forefathers fought and died for this very right.
Shameful, just shameful.
(Every second you spend thinking about my comment is a wasted second of life that you can never get back.)
Amy, get me another beer. Do it NOW woman!
At least not until you snap DiBi's fingers at me!
(and show me Margaret's boobs!)
Strap one on, Arthur. This is almost as discomforting a display of self-immolation as seeing one of those Vietnamese monks setting themselves afire.
However, the comments are fun, so it's not like you lost your manhood mojo fer nuttin'.
Look what they're doing to your blog.
I can only imagine what it's going to smell like in the morning. Not to mention how sticky it'll be.
Don't you DARE listen to nanutterhay and delete me. You need me. And don't believe him when he says he's me. I know he's not me. You know how I know? Because if he were me he'd have really bad PMS right now and he'd be all "poor me" and "why God why" and "my boobs are sore" and be crabby and whiny and he wouldn't be able to concentrate on YOU.
Of course a woman has no such problem because she's USED TO suffering and still doing other things.
(I guess I may as well roll up my sleeves, get a mop and a bucket and help you get a head start.)
Look who's here, it's MTN, taking a break from the Fornicating Game! And he's managed to tear himself away from his mirror too. So your nether regions are stirred, are they? Just stirred, not shaken? I'm disappointed. In me.
Amy, go get Nana a beer and get out of my chair. I'm not even in my chair. A 12 yr. old girl is in my chair snoring loudly. The rest are draped all over the couch. And why not ask Joisey Shore for a pic of his boobs instead. I'm sure they're much larger than mine.
Nana, calling Amy a woman could confuse her. Short one-syllable words are probably most effective. Like "Fetch beer now."
Finish your milk, clean your teeth
& go to bed. You too, Margaret.
Not you, Man Talk Now.
I want to see you outside
so we can discuss my brain a little more.
I'm fascinated.
I nominated the spectacle here for a Reader's pick
see reader's pick
My mother said "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.". That would be another option for you.
Arthur, I would normally click away without commenting, then thought perhaps it might affect you to learn that for every comment left here by bloggers you don’t like, you had hundreds of views from bloggers who you might have liked, but who silently clicked away. You may never know them now, because you made your blog a No Go Zone.
There is a beautiful Zen story about this. A stranger arrives in a town, looking for a place to settle. He asks a farmer, “how are the people in this village?” The farmer asks, “how were the people in your last village?” “They were kind and helpful," answered the stranger. “You will find our village much the same as your old one,” said the farmer.
Another stranger came to town, also met the farmer, and asked him about the villagers and quality of life in the village. "How were they in your last village?” “They were mean horrible people. It was an awful place,” answered the second stranger. “You will find our village much the same as your old,” was the farmer’s response.
If you would like to see this parable in action, visit here:
http://open.salon.com/blog/kimhunterg/2012/05/26/what_id_like_to_know#comment_2950836
The one comment that was right on so far was:
"By and large it may have been a waste of energy."
I think everyone here who contributed to this with greater friction deserves a "time out." Now go back to your rooms, kids, until you can either get along or at least politely ignore each other.
Sheesh, do we really need more of this sort of filler on the Internets (sic)?
I expected the Ghoulies to be at work here overnight, and was not disappointed. By and large they are gibbering and slinging excrement at one another, and I feel no obligation to respond to any of that. Some of them are addressing me, but are not saying anything that would require a new response.
Although the purpose of this post was to call attention to one scabrous OS-er whose behavior is beyond the pale of this or any other organization -- or at least should be -- perhaps the principal outcome has been to disclose, once again, that Nanatehay has friends on Open Salon. Don't ask me why he does; I couldn't even guess.
This outcome seems appropriate to some extent. Regardless of whether Nanatehay and Amy are physically the same person (and I wouldn't rule that out), they are alter egos in any other sense. To address one is to address both. I have never encountered people so disgusting in all my years as a writer. Life has its revelations at every stage, I guess.
It is sad that, while no doubt many people see Nana/Amy for what they are, I am just about the only one who says so in print. I think it is a subject worth pursuing, endlessly if necessary, because they chronically undermine what could be a good site for writers. They certainly aren't writers. They are thugs.
They are stupid, crazy and untalented. I hope I am not leaving any uncertainty as to how I feel.
While nobody else will take them on in print, I will continue to do so every time this seems appropriate. It does gratify me to see that this post received nine silent ratings. If Nana, Amy and their merry band disgust you, why not come out and say so? There is nothing they can do about it that would be meaningful. All they can do is vomit vitriol and spew insane gibberish. This is what crazy people do.
It can be a satisfying feeling just to rile them up. I know, that's not a worthy sentiment, we probably should be seeking help for them. But they are too crazy to know that they need help, and that is an obstacle.
FROM HERE ON
Although I normally delete comments from my blogs if I consider them rude or crazy, I have absolutely refrained from doing so here, because in writing this post I was the aggressor. What you see is what I got. Now, however, everyone has had ample opportunity to say their peace, however loony. I am going to leave everything above this comment alone, but below I will reassert my right to delete when appropriate. Why? Because I can. And it can feel pretty good.
Only a great writer could, after UNIFORMLY being told that he was being a trollish moron, then stand up and declare victory.
Wow. Just WOW!
You should really consider submitting some of your comments to the OS Fiction Club. They're great stuff, dude.
This is what happens when two strong, confident personalities inhabit an unfettered space :D. Without a dog in this hunt, I'll speak to both sides - I enjoy reading both of you (most of the time) even if I don't always agree with the subject matter of the moment.
But then I don't have to agree do I? Just as I don't have to like a person's persona to appreciate their writing - there are a handful here'bouts who's online personalities I don't particularly appreciate - and a few fingers worth who's blogs I don't visit simply because I know I'd have little to say of value for either of us (why court irritation?).
I actually appreciate both you and Amy for the same reason - you're opinionated without apology for those opinions (a point of a kind of honesty as Phylliss mentions) - but I also appreciate the two of you for past interactions of sensibility (contrary to what both of you seem to think of each other, you can both be quite sensible ;).
I 'know' neither of you while 'knowing' a bit of back story for both.
I also know that basing decisions on character on the basis of online personality is a bit short sighted on anyone's part, so I try not to do that (not always successfully :). But in all honesty none of this makes a hill of beans to our lives.. This little 17" screen may be my 'window on the world' but I still recognize the difference between real life and cyberspace ;).
Nice party you threw over the weekend. Did you have fun getting everyone over here with your title/party invitation OS style?
I had fun as the wallflower...
: )
Concern her post on EPs and cover selections: OS members have been trying to figure out how EP and cover selections are made almost since the beginning of Open Salon. We have tried unsuccessfully, literally for years now, to get OS management to describe how these selections are made. Anyone who has been around OS for any length of time has seen great posts pass by unnoticed and unrecognized by the editor, at the same time that mediocre and poor-quality posts end up on the cover. This has happened with great regularity and throughout the tenure of all OS editors, and it has provoked many complaints by frustrated OS members. So it is no surprise that Amy would register her complaint in a post, in the same way that many others have done. She wasn't the first and she won't be the last.
Concerning her comments on gay marriage and related issues -- these are issues about which she is very passionate. As a social conservative I oppose gay marriage, and for reasons that have nothing to do with God or theology. Without going into those reasons here, suffice it to say that I have explained my position in great detail and on many occasions, and that if she were willing to criticize my arguments rather than criticizing me, I have certainly provided her with enough raw material to do so. Unfortunately, she typically ends up saying "you are a bigot" or "you are a hater," or other similar things.
And yet I don't hold that against her. It is often difficult for people who are passionate about certain issues to lay aside emotion and engage in a real discussion of the issues, especially when they are so consumed with their own side that they do not recognize that there is another side.
While I don't particularly like being called a bigot or hater, I am reminded of the old saying "write injuries in dust, benefits in stone." And so whatever "injury" her words might inflict on me, the wind blows away, and I choose instead to focus on the good things that she brings to this venue, including her passion, even as I hope that her passion on certain issues can be expressed more constructively.
"open salon beautiful women XXX, clickable pics, misc links, Arthur?"
Buy my book instead.
p.s. you can delete her comments.
p.p.s. how do you guys keep all the details straight? I can't.
You've hit the big time man!
I bet it's a "Safe Bet" you haven't
Arthur is whining over lack of respect he hasn't earned and Amy is overcoming a lifetime of true hardships. It was impossible for him to do the research you quickly did, it would be impossible for someone like him to understand her. I gave up on him a while back.