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Arlene Green

Arlene Green
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Geek girl, mother of more children than human beings should be allowed, owner of a snake named Plissken, several dogs, a plethora of cats, easily annoyed, easily overjoyed, will work for books.

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AUGUST 1, 2008 2:24AM

The Old Lady Brigade

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When I was a very young mother I used to encounter what Ayun Halliday has dubbed The Old Lady Brigade. They were rude, opinionated and more than a bit bullying. They wore polyester and had blue rinses. When they weren't telling me how under dressed or overdressed my kids were they were telling me that I was much too young or shouldn't have the kids outside or any number of other things that I never asked them about.

I really hated those women. Not because I couldn't fight back. I could and did. I've always been a bit verbal. But because even while I was telling them how full of it they were, they still managed to play on the insecurities young mothers always tend to have.

I have a girlfriend that is pretty young, in her early 20s, that gave birth last month to her second child. She needed to go to the grocery store and I volunteered to go with her and help since a newborn and a 2 year old can make grocery shopping less than pleasant without a little help.

So, first, we are in the dairy aisle and these people are having a coffee klatch right there in front of the cheese she wanted about one of the guy's carwrecks. Their carts were surrounding them in such a way that it was impossible to reach through them and get the cheese. After about a minute of watching my friend stand there waiting helplessly I finally said, "This is all fascinating but could I please get the cheese?"

One of the guys -- it was two older couples -- looks at me says in tones of what sounded like challenge "So what's your story?"

I raised my eyebrows at him and said "If I told you, you would never believe me." At which point I moved his cart and grabbed the cheese.

I hate people who do this. It is one of the most annoying behaviors that you can encounter in a store involving carts. I was already irritable because it was hot outside and I don't like heat. This made me think evil thoughts about those people all the way to the last aisle where the bread is located.

So, we get to the bread aisle and the wife of the man who asked me the question has her cart parked across the aisle like a damn barricade. I kid you not. It was sideways in the aisle. I didn't say anything, I just took the cart and shoved it out of my way.

My friend was following along behind me and she needed something at the top of the aisle and I was going to go grind some espresso at the bottom of the aisle. When she gets done and gets to me she says, "That woman just told me I needed to put a blanket on the baby!"

I sealed my espresso bag shut, slammed it into the cart and said "Don't you worry about her. I'll fix her little red wagon."

Now my friend knows me. She's known me since she was in the 8th grade. She started dragging her feet obviously not so sure she wanted to be anywhere around when I fixed any little red wagons. So I told her that she could walk up the next aisle over if she liked. She thought about it and decided to follow me and watch.

I also want to explain here that it was 115 degrees that day. The last thing the baby needed was a damn blanket.

The conversation went something like this:

Me: You know, it is the epitome of impolite to offer advice to strangers in public who didn't solicit it. (My vocabulary tends towards 5 dollar words when I am irritated at idiots)

Her: What?

Me: It is rude and uncalled for to tell some girl you don't know what she should be doing with her child. You need to mind your own business.

Her: (comprehension dawns along with cowardice in her eyes) Oh, ummm, I thought about it after I said it and maybe I shouldn't have.

Me: You should have thought about it before and no, you shouldn't have.

Her: But...but... you don't understand. Their little nervous systems...

Me: Lady, I've raised several kids. Have you looked at the temp outside? It is 115 degrees. That baby does not need a blanket. She is a little fussy because she needs to be fed. Do the world a favor and don't give advice to young mothers you don't know. You are bad at it.

Now at this point I was done. But she was stupider than even I had imagined and the bar was pretty low in my mind. "Well, I hope you get over your anger. God bless you."

Bad, bad idea.

She then got a very low voiced lecture on how I wouldn't be quite so irritated if she and her friends didn't apparently believe the rest of the world didn't exist or matter.
That the grocery store was not a damn social club and that no, it did not matter that her friend had been in a car wreck. What mattered was that they were all guilty of being entitled bastards. That she was the last one to be giving anyone advice on child rearing since someone had done an obviously piss poor job of raising her.

It was quite satisfying. I saw her in the same store this past weekend and she practically burned rubber on her cart to avoid me. Heh.

At any rate, I hate people like that. They would be bullies except they are too cowardly to even deserve that name. They always pick on some young woman that looks like she will scurry away or be suitably chastened.
Hopefully this particular one will think twice before she does that again. Or parks her cart in everyone's way, for that matter.

If I ever get to the point where I start behaving like that would someone please shoot me? I'd rather die an untimely death than become one of them.

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Go, Arlene!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I will never - ever - pause for more than 30 seconds with a grocery cart again.

As for unsolicited advice, a friend of ours concluded when she was pregnant and was getting hassled because she wouldn't tell complete strangers the sex of the baby, that "sometimes you just have to put on your 'bite me' hat." But then she's not shy about telling people where to go.
God forbid I should add a voice of reason here. I love this story and want to shout Attagirl! Plus, we live in the city, grocery stores are smaller, aisles so narrow you can stand in the middle and touch each side. I've had more than my share of murderous feelings about Thoughtless Morons With Carts, particularly those nattering on cell phones, who should be booted in the ass if not shot.

You won't ever become one of those in your story because you have more sense and sensibilities, Arlene. However, you could reach a stage in life where the grocery store's one of your few, if only, social outings. Where your kids don't need you anymore and you unwittingly try to nurture strangers. I see it all the time. I hope it won't be me either.

And I bet, hot or not, if there's an old person who can't reach a high shelf, you're the first one there to help.
I think we are living the same life. Gah!
What rudeness from the biddies! Although they're not the only ones who feel like they're the only ones in the universe--they span all ages. My pet peeve in grocery stores are screaming out of control kids--not babies, but kids who apparently have not been taught any public social graces.

Glad you got in their faces Arlene, would have like to have seen it.
I will definitely not be bringing a grocery cart or a little red wagon to the Open Salon Prom, but if you will meet me in the back, Arlene, I will share my tequila.
Arlene, I wanna go shopping with you. You ROCK!
"fix her little red wagon" -- I love it.

I'll cop to having a cell phone conversation in a grocery store today. It was a friend of mine who lives in LA who I haven't spoken to since the earthquake and was in her car on the way to work. I was careful to park my cart someplace where it couldn't possibly interfere, and John was occupied with looking at a display of crocs (yes, for some reason, my local grocery store sells the infernal shoes. John is fascinated with them because of all the bright colors).

Maybe this makes me a phillistine, but I reamained aware of what was happening around me and made sure that there was plenty of access to the aisle and the food on the shelves. The call took about 10 minutes.

And if someone needed me to move to get to cheese, I'd be jumping out of the way and saying, "excuse me" in the nicest possible way.

Supermarkets can get filled with carts. I won't even enter a grocery store on the weekend for that reason. It's just a matter of being sensible about using them.
Arlene, I would never hesitate to believe any story you chose to tell me.

All the time I was reading this I had the old biddies routine from "The Music Man" going though my head (you know, "pick a little, talk a little ..."). I'm happy to see that in our more enlightened times, it's become an equal-opportunity club.
Arlene, you and I may share a lot of traits, but in this way you're a lot more like Sami (my wife). Except in Santa Cruz, it's the hip-groovy *young* women who feel the need to render unto you their wisdom. ("That has processed sugar; you don't want her eating that!" "Thanks for the tip; next time you might want to keep it to yourself until someone asks you.")

Anyway, you're Sami's hero.
I am bowing before you and also asking that next time, you have a word with the lady with the doublewide stroller (not a baby in sight) who's parked it right in front of the ENTIRE organic milk display...
As much as I hated strangers pulling this BS, I hated "well-meaning" relatives, telling how to do this and that and putting more and more clothes and more and more blankets on the baby(s). And the names! My grandmother (who I loved but I guess chalk it up to another generation) said I could not name my daughter Sara or Rachel because they were Jewish names (how embarassing). If by some fluke of nature (my tubes are tied and I'm in perimenopause so it would a whale fluke) I got pregnant with a little girl, I'd name her Rachel. I've always loved that name and am mad at myself for caving. Jessica Wesley Dillon, a name and girl I love, and just waspish enough for my elderly relatives.

Now excuse me, I have to get back to Sandra's Monkey Business. I'm giving her a matching tattoo and the vagina will be knit in a k2p2 stitch to give it stretch and texture. See yesterday's post if you're clueless. It might just become a business.
Thanks all.

The aisle blockers come in all shapes and sizes, yup. I'm not any more thrilled about out of control kids, either. I've been known to throw myself in front of careening carts being pushed by kids whose parents have confused the store with a play area and are nowhere in sight. Being told to knock it off by a stranger tends to at least mute them.

Socializing and cell phone use don't bother me. Provided you don't just park where you happen to land and are oblivious to the people giving you pointed looks. And these people had no excuse. This is an enormous discount grocery store. There is plenty of room to park your cart without getting in everyone's way.

terriblemother-

Someone mentioned to me that we seem to have a lot in common. Sounds like they were right.

Douglas-
Sounds like Sami is being victimized by the MotheringDotCommune crowd. Santa Cruz is one of their Meccas. Sanctimonious twerps are just as annoying as interfering old baggages.

Verbal, for you I will fly south and track her down for you. Did she even have kids? Or were they off annoying the rest of the store? Doesn't matter, shelf blockage is a hanging offense.

John-

Thanks. I was actually in that musical in high school. Now I have an earworm of the entire soundtrack.
Arlene, you're not hanging with me at the Prom?
Lauren-

Completely clueless. I threw my two up last night and didn't really catch up much. Sounds entertaining.
Lonnie, the only prom I attended I ended up ditching my date and going mud bogging with a friend of mine. So...I'm not sure what I would do at the Prom. I'll hang with you though.
Go, Arlene!

What do you do when these same Antique Entitleds don't use turn signals? That ALWAYS irritates me...it is never-ending down here in Sunny Florida...It is almost without fail, a grey-haired man.

I guess courtesy goes out the window for some people at a certain age -- it is the same group that cuts ahead in the checkout line, or pushes up their turn at the deli. Then they look at you like -- hahahahaha...I beat you...

I just look at them like they are stoopid, which they are...It gets old, though, very old.
Somewhere along the line, the 1970's lessons of self-worth from Free to Be You and Me got bastardized into the 1990's mentality of "Everyone's a Winner" and have since devolved into the current age of "LOOK AT ME!!!!" Sadly, people aren't as concerned with having something to say as they are with being able to speak.

Lalucas - I've found that when the elderly cut in front of me, it helps to give them a big friendly smile and tell them that you're more than happy to let them go ahead of you because they don't have much longer to live . . . especially if they keep cutting in front of strangers in lines.
Actually it reeks of be annoyed with assholes. These particular assholes just happened to be in the blue-rinse demographic. I don't have any problem with the elderly provided they aren't parking their cart in everyone's way when they could easily not be doing so or harassing young mothers for no other reason than they can.

Now, if it had been some elderly woman who was simply having a hard time maneuvering her cart this would have been a whole different post. But it wasn't. It was 4, count them, retirement age jerks with a sense of entitlement the size of a small moon.

The term "Old lady brigade" comes from a comic called East Village Inky where the author observed that it was always old ladies who said things like "Your baby needs a hat!" Not my fault if there is some truth to the observation. Sometimes it isn't quite irritating as it is obviously done in a spirit of helpfulness. But in this instance that woman was on my last nerve and didn't get any benefit of the doubt.