Marines Urinating on Corpses—What the Video Doesn’t Show

I was getting ready to post another blog, one more lighthearted than the last that received so much attention and inspired some great dialogue (thank you!). But then I heard on the news that marines were videotaped urinating on the dead corpses of alleged Taliban insurgents and I felt compelled to write about that instead, to shed some light on another layer of war’s impact, a hidden layer embedded somewhere between all those battle lines.
When I saw that video, my first reaction wasn’t outrage or condemnation. It was worse than that; it was sadness. Outrage and condemnation would be more convenient, easier to feel and easier to justify, easier to forget by next week’s news cycle. Such emotions would provide me a higher moral ground, a sense of principle amidst the disgust; they’d also require little thought beyond the images and what they appear to portray. Certainly our leaders expressed their outrage and condemnation—Leon Panetta, Hillary Clinton, et al. But they know better, better than any of us, even if they won’t admit so publicly. Sadness, even concern for our troops? That’s a bit more complex, requires a lot more explanation and attention to what we’re doing to the young men and women that we send into combat. To feel sadness, we have to think about what the images do not so readily portray.
My second reaction to the news was wondering why we’re all so surprised, why we expect that these men and women, who must carry out duties they cannot decline—living in a state of constant hyper-vigilance, performing acts that none of us can imagine, suffering sleep deprivation and questioning their safety more hours of the day than not, watching their comrades blown to bits in front of them, watching innocent children and families suffering—why we expect that they won’t break, won’t seek out perverse forms of release, at least perverse in the context that we enjoy living in a world that is far safer than theirs, safer in large part due to the very same people that we have, for centuries, sent into combat.
It’s just all a bit more complicated than simple outrage.
I don’t believe the actions on the video are those typical of our military, but I do think they’re probably more prevalent than we realize, than we’d like to admit sitting in our living rooms without fear of IEDs or wondering if those who appear harmless are in fact dangerous and vice versa. We have no idea what these young men and women live out on a daily basis, many so young that they’ve experienced only a short span of adulthood, some with no life experience beyond high school. We see news clips, we read articles, we see videos, but that’s a two-dimensional world. These men and women live it out in 3D, 24/7.
A friend of mine, an acupuncturist, opened a clinic three years ago, open every Saturday to provide free treatment to veterans and active military to treat PTSD. Most know that PTSD is an emotional disorder that presents with a range of symptoms including, though not limited to, sleeplessness, nightmares, flashbacks, hyper-vigilance, and emotional numbing. What many don’t know is that PTSD is rising at alarming rates among our combat troops still serving and those coming home, troops who have been asked to serve record tours of combat duty under hellish conditions.
I am the only the volunteer of the clinic who is not an acupuncturist. I write grants to try to secure funding to keep the clinic open. In doing so, I’ve had to do my research; in order to appeal for funding, I must justify the need for the clinic’s services. And the research has provided me an education both both heartbreaking and frightening. According to winoverptsd.com (a website run Charlene Rubush, a freelance writer and wife of a Vietnam veteran who suffered with PTSD, her inspiration for spending years researching the disorder):
- Lifetime prevalence of PTSD in combat veterans is 10-30%.
- In 2010, the number of diagnosed cases in the military jumped 50% (and that’s just diagnosed cases).
- Some studies estimate that 1 in every 5 military member returning from Iraq and Afghanistan suffers with PTSD.
- 20% of the soldiers who have been deployed in the past six years have PTSD. That’s over 300,000.
Ilona Meagher, author of the book, Moving A Nation to Care: Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder and America's Returning Troops published in 2007, sets out to illustrate that PTSD is one of the most “catastrophic issues confronting our nation” and that “nearly 20 percent of the over half million troops that have left the military since 2003 have been diagnosed with PTSD.” And, again, that’s just the diagnosed cases, related in data that is now at least 4 years old.
It gets worse.
A Texas A & M University study (January 2011) concludes that there is more of a direct link between PTSD and suicide than previously thought. And, according to a U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs study (January 2010), 18 veterans a day commit suicide, on average. The Veteran’s Administration reports that suicide rates among veterans ages 18 to 29 climbed 26% between 2005 and 2007, the most current statistics available. Additionally, veteran suicides account for about 20 percent of the nation's 30,000 suicides each year.
Men and women receive mental health screening before they are allowed to enlist in the military. They must be physically and mentally fit to serve, after all. We don’t seem to be quite so concerned about their mental health once we place them into combat, however. A Time magazine article in 2006 reported that the military has been using anti-depressants and anti-anxiety medications to help soldiers cope in the battlefield (even though taking such medication is often a disqualifying factor for enlisting). These men and women aren’t returned to their family—their parents and siblings, their spouses and children—in the same condition as the military found them. Yet we expect different, we expect that their disciplined training prepared them for the fight, the stress, the trauma, the conflicts of conscience. But what could possibly prepare anyone for such trauma, the repeated and insidious form that unfolds in war?
Men and women who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan are returning to us with not only record numbers of physical wounds (most markedly the number of amputees), but an unprecedented number of invisible wounds, the mental and the emotional. At the clinic, this is seen firsthand every Saturday. But what really drives the point home, at least for me, is what is witnessed with the older clients, veterans of other wars who are still bearing the effects of PTSD and trauma decades later. After receiving several weekly treatments, the wife of a veteran who served during the Korean conflict reported that he’d slept through the night for the first time since returning to her from the battlefield. Try to imagine that for a moment, if you can. A night free of frightening dreams and flashbacks, a night free of waking up in a sweat, calling out the name of long-dead friend, a night of peace for the first time in over 50 years.
So again, I ask—why is it that we are all so surprised?


Salon.com
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Sad it really is the one word that sums it all up.
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Us or them, humanity has a long, long way to go and really, it's not all that likely it will get there. Jejune and vzn make points here: When it's codified into some agreement about what sort of methods are OK to dismember, maim and kill, we call it "The Geneva Convention" and hold it up as an example of how noble we are, compared to those before us or those who don't play by our rules. Thing is, no matter what, the rules are always made to benefit the abilities of the participants and conceal, with dubious intent, the fact that we can justify turning other human beings into compost before their time would otherwise come.
We can put medals on the people who ordered it and vaguely participated, while ginning up the publicity mill (true or false - Pat Tillman) about the heroics some poor son-of-a-bitch performed so we can use his traumatized existence as another excuse for a politician to make a speech. All the while the assholes who put him (or her) in that position figure out what theu're going to have for lunch at the golf club that day. Piss on all of them.
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I had PTSD from being a pedestrian victim hit by a hit & run driver. I know it's real and these soldiers obviously have it to the extreme.
I also find it kind of ironic that it's ok to *kill* someone, but not to pee on the corpse. I've never been able to wrap my head around the idea of "rules" of war.
The soldiers who did this were WRONG.... just as the Nazi soldiers in WWII were wrong. But the excuse is " we were stressed and tired." Bullshit. And shame on America.
A little lesson for From The Midwest: there is no such thing as honor in a whorehouse, and no such thing as respect on the battlefield. Any such assumptions are derived from movies and novels, not real life. People are that cruel, and not only in war. I won't say this urination incident was specifically cruel, but I won't say it wasn't. It could very easily be either, but I lean towards cruelty.
PTSD is seldom in evidence during one's first tour in combat. Being fearful and acting tentatively are certainly behavioral traits more in evidence during an initial tour in a combat zone than in subsequent tours. Further, should symptoms of PTSD become evident following one's first tour in a combat zone, it is likely that one would be assigned to combat support or combat service support duty during subsequent tours. Thus, I don't find much reason to believe that PTSD is the cause for using one's dead enemies as urinals.
Had these Marines placed their boots on the faces of these dead men, this might have been perceived a greater insult by Afghanis than what these Marines did. Again, this is not to excuse the noted behavior. It's just that cultural differences may allow one group to be overly sensitive to a behavior that is more accepted by another.
As a final thought, in the larger context of what was once known as "war", the four “Ds” were followed:
1. war was Declared
2. enemy fighting forces were Destroyed or Detained
(whether one or the other was resistance dependent)
3. civilian populations were Decimated or Dispersed
(whether one or the other was resistance dependent)
4. survivors were Disarmed
Trust me, within the environment of such combat, peeing on three or four dead men wouldn’t be a big deal – again, not that I am excusing or justifying this behavior.
Citizens do not condone these acts in any regard, but we as an educated and evolved society need to think beyond the act and instead discet the cause. This is what this article is doing and for that, we should applaud this effort. God bless and Godspeed to all troops coming home. Great article.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/01/13/the-grim-implications-of-obamas-new-defense-plan/
It's quite evident that sending the US military out into the world to attain and defend the economic domination of the corporate elite is firming up to be a permanent dominant feature of US policy and general civilization. As the general American public is depressed economically to the benefit of the elite the whole envelope of the social character of the country seems to be permanently distorted towards a brutality to the rest of the world demanding that a good percentage of the population be subjugated to the economics of military domination with the general coarsening and brutalizing of the men involved in the process. This is obviously now a permanent feature of the society and do not expect any hypocritical propaganda to be capable of hiding the basic facts that viciousness is a prime element developed to enforce this general government agenda. Decency and honor is a long lost cause.
It also points the finger at the rest of us. By not stopping this insane war, we are complicit. Does anyone seriously think you can run an imperialist war without vile atrocities? It comes with the territory.
I'd suggest that those who object should object to the KILLING and not to violations of battle etiquette.
I'd also suggest that whoever photographed the scene and then stuck it up on the web is the one who really committed the outrage. Civilians are unlikely to understand matters of battle and battle etiquette.
This is a lie. We are not safer. We are less safe. We need to stop the hero warship of all things military. "Support our Troops." No, I will not as long as they continue to slaughter, maim, rape, pillage, plunder, and destroy. Were a bunch of Afghan farmers going to invade America and take away our freedoms. Were the Iraqi's, Pakistani's, Yemeni's, Somali's? We need to stop the propaganda about the military and honor of service, so young men are less likely to sign up to become musclemen for bankers, oil companies and other war profiteers. Maybe then, we will all be safer.
actually you are very correct, and unlike others here, not a complete and utter hypocrite
The sooner it becomes common knowledge as to what actually goes on in combat the less the idiocy of honor and personal integrity will be attached to officially condoned murder. That troops piss on and mutilate the people who are there to murder them is at least an openly honest expression of their sense of triumph in surviving. I do not approve, but I understand and do not condemn. People on both sides are dishonored by the necessities put upon them by a frightful situation.
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Veteran Readjustment Vet Center Program - (Thanks to former amputated multiple limb - Max Cleland former Senator & Carter's appointment as Veterans Chief Administrator.etc.,)
I had partly disassociated my own Self as a veteran. Disassociation is a 'weapon of defense and Self protection. War's pain/aftermath can be deadly.
I agree with you.
War kills many.
War kill later.
Bullets kill.
WW@ can?
Vietnam vet?
We ate leftovers.
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If bullet no kill a WW2 sea-ration can of pork & beans. spam, or green eggs and ham may?
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The veteran advocacy service was the most painful work I've ever done. It would have been easier to dig a ditch-hile all the way to China. That's an hyperbole.
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I'd receive daily printouts.
Major Universities studied.
Academic research helped.
The experience of war's trauma cam kill. I didn't do drug and any whiskey. I'd rarely sip wine.
Hops in beer lulled to sleep.
I survived on`hyper-vigilance.
I was struggling to heal`Self.
I saw war vets with veins bulged.
They had that primordial stare.
It's called the *1,000 mile look.
You see everything at a glimpse.
I best shush. I'd never tell 'stuf'
And I'd hear sad ... murders etc.,
I was a "dump-ground" sorta.
I was a confessional of sorts.
I heard horrible war stories.
I'd protect readers from the:
Many war scenes. Oy vivid.
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I still browse the literature.
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Journal Of Traumatic Stress.
PLENUM - New York - London.
I have old issues. editor was:
Charles R. Figley, Ph.D
I liked his veteran effort.
He endorsed a story I did.
It's been on PBS etc., And?
I sure am not tooting a horn.
I must stop going on and on.
Congrats on the EP. Thanks.
You are doing a noble service.
Many die premature death.
Scars and heartache is great.
I still believe in truth. Beauty.
CAUTION
tuition is sky high.
DO NOT ESCALATE
Jan arguments can not be proven wrong.
David ,I am sorry to hear this.
@From the Midwest:You don't really believe what you are saying.,do you?
How can you compare a teacher's job with combat in a war shaken,foreign!!! country???
I am very familiar with your working conditions,and I find your opinion on rather painful war-related events to be assumptive.
Every single person who has been there lives with the wreckage, as do their friends and families. Deep, heavy sadness.
I also find it kind of ironic that it's ok to *kill* someone, but not to pee on the corpse. I've never been able to wrap my head around the idea of "rules" of war.
My nephew is in Virginia at the moment, having started his training to be an officer in the US Army's engineers. My wife and I are hoping that he never gets in harms way. He's just a kid, and a great one at that, with an equally young wife and a dog.
Yes,I agree.
Thank you for this non-judgmental piece.
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The article here is great. The actions of most warriors are not. God Bless are troops and piss on their leaders.
"Further, should symptoms of PTSD become evident following one's first tour in a combat zone, it is likely that one would be assigned to combat support or combat service support duty during subsequent tours."
I don't know where you get your information. I personally know soldiers who have done multiple tours, have extreme symptoms, and struggle mightily to not be sent back. In this time of stop loss, they're almost always sent back unless they actually kill themselves.
"Thus, I don't find much reason to believe that PTSD is the cause for using one's dead enemies as urinals. "
Again, I don't know where you get your information. I've had PTSD for a mighty long time, and I recognized it immediately.
This author should be commended for a very clear, very accurate, and very TRENCHANT post.
Yes the troops are sad and depressed and likely over medicated as well. That the video in question shows a group of soldiers desecrating the bodies of their enemies is also undeniable, however, this is only half of the story. These men have likely been exposed to similar treatment of their fallen comrade's bodies. Some have already commented that this is not uncommon on the battlefield. Warriors have long made a spectacle of the humiliation of their enemies, by taking scalps, ears, genitals and even heads to display as a symbol of their prowess as warriors. The troops in question likely felt that they were avenging the disrespect of others at the hands of these men or their compatriots. I don't mean to excuse the acts, I find them repellent but, I am seeing a lot of judgement from people who have no idea of the kind of mortal stresses involved in surviving combat and also a very disingenuous comparison to the genocide perpetrated by the Nazi's. We have a video that shows a few men taking out their rage and frustration at enemies killed in battle. What the Nazi's did was carry out systematic genocide of certain people. This was their nations policy and regardless of how you look at it they were not acting in the capacity of a field soldier, the Nazi's were no more than executioners. Those Marines are in no way comparable to anything that fascists had done in regard to genocide. It is offensive to me that this kind of statement could even be made by someone who claims to be knowledgeable and educated.
By all means let's find a way to stop the bloodshed but stop treating the people who are compelled to fight in your behalf as some kind of other worldly monsters.
But there are rules. It may sound stupid to have rules in a kill-or-be-killed situation, but amidst the blood and carnage of war there have to be rules. Otherwise we're back in the Stone Age.
These rules have been articulated in the Geneva Conventions: you don't torture prisoners of war; you don't take out reprisals against civilians; you don't mutilate the corses of your victims. And so on. And you don't piss on their dead bodies either.
But these things will happen, and therefore they must be punished. Otherwise they'll happen even more next time.
Of course, if you don't start unnecessary, agressive wars then scenes like this will be less likely.
Hillary and other leaders may deplore these acts, but they are the reason why regular human beings are in the position in the first place. Most people are happy to let live and let live, it is the leaders who start wars not the poor sap who has to fight them. They understand the concept of the hate of war because they do not have the luxury of being so high minded safe behind their desks.
Perhaps the last justified war was WWII; that can be debated. But military men and women have no choice as to where our leaders will send them or for what reason or agenda. They offer to sacrifice their life for their country, for us, and now it seems we are increasingly asking them to also relinquish their souls.
Humans have advanced very little if at all from the early stages of "civilization" and although delightful hypocrisy is rampant one must be terribly naive to indulge in it.
r
War is a holdover from a time when power was defined by the ability to slaughter one's enemies. War is an outdated concept that has worn out its welcome. Despite the proclaiming of lofty ideals and moral issues, war is just the tool that the powerful use to show their power. There is nothing "Godly" or "righteous" or "just" in war. War is perpetrated by fools on fools. The most criminal act in war is that we lie to children in order to convince them to die so someone else can be more powerful.
I'll end with commenting that the alleged incident in question does not define what our service men and women encounter during their multiple tours of duty.
I'll ask people to think twice about what military families face long after wars have officially ended. PTSD is just one of those wars raging in the minds, bodies and spirits of our wounded soldiers.
Nobody here or elsewhere is worth dying for.
Well, I am expressing my outrage and condemnation of Leon Panetta, Hillary Clinton, et al, for flying to quick conclusions regarding our military, as they usually do.
The picture of four marines urinating on the dead bodies of our enemy is not suitable for dinner time review, but unless you know what action had taken place, how can anyone analyze and make a judgement to "condemn" what is on the video.
Unless you have been in combat, and have had a bowl movement as a horde of enemy is coming at you with bayonets fixed, or been in a troop carrier and see the one in front of you with buddies you had breakfast with being blown up by an IED, you have no right to criticize, and more disgustingly, politicize this event.
Take your ideology to another blog, where you can attack neo-cons, George Bush, and the capitalist system to your hearts content.
This is the face of the enemy our men and women wake up to fight every day.....
http://annoy.com/sectionless/beheading.wmv
And senior people in this Administration call our marines "criminals"...They should look in the mirror...
Pissing on the corpse of the soldier who was trying to shoot you, hours ago, is not the same as pissing on the corpse of the civilian you just burned to death. The former is tacky, very bad behavior; the latter is craven, evil, immoral stuff that people rot in hell for doing.
Some who enter the military are sociopaths. They have no regard for anyone. Fortunately, most of these get washed out because they can't become part of a team. It is, truly, all about them. Some make it through, though.
For many individuals the only way that they can think about killing another person is to think of the enemy as subhuman. The next step is that they sterotype everyone in the cultural or racial group as subhuman. They give the people whose land they occupy derogatory names, distance themselves in any way from the enemy and/or the people of the enemy.
This was rampant in Viet Nam. I was a doctor there and our unit's top NCO said, "Doc I'm bored. I wish they'd bring in a whole truckload of f****d up gooks. (I wouldn't want anything to happen to any of our guys, but gooks are gooks.) This from a guy who was otherwise a decent person. This is how some otherwise normal people SURVIVE war. First, there is no hesitation when they look at the enemy. No moment of saying this is someone's son, or husband, or father. Secondly, it is how they survive mentally. It is a small step from thinking of them as less than human to urinating on their corpse.
The situation here is that this activity has become a group ritual, a tie that holds the group together. R
I would also wager that those soldiers will eventually admit it wasn't the best thing to do, with or without regrets.
yerfdog 2.
I too got caught up with my thoughts and introspections . Where do you think this is all coming from? Is there a tradewind?
This article is a lot of c**p. Those of you making excuses for these Marines are clueless.
The right wing chickenhawks who have never been in in the military let alone been in combat are especially contemptible for running their mouths as usual about what they would like to believe.
This nothing less than a lack of discipline of the type that gets Marines killed. It should have been handled at the small unit level and the fact that it wasn't tells me that this is not a well run unit. I'm sure its not the first time they did this but just the first time they were dumb enough to film it.
Now of course the brass and the politicians are CYA'ing so people at the lowest level possible will be reprimanded in order to cover up the incompetence of their leaders.
Be a dumbass all you want about blaming Obama and Hillary (really?) but the military will be the first to lower the boom on these guys. They already have.
I couldn't agree more. great piece!
So the level of stress these young men had been through for their entire period(s) of deployment had to have been devastating.
The "let's you and them fight" misadventure created by Bush-Cheney-Wolfowitz-et al (and all the other Rec Room Patriots who were too goddamn wonderful to ever SERVE their country -- and holding high office and positions of prestige and privilege ISN'T serving -- it was taking) was nothing more than "push 'em till they break."
So they lost families and homes and arms and legs and eyes and minds. (And now they throw political feces at Obama like angry chimps and scream "He's an appeaser," as he tries to get our people home.)
I value this quote from a German poet, a man who got to see close up how totally off course and misguided one's own country can get:
"The first casualty of war is not truth, but perspective. Once that's gone, truth, like compassion, reason, and all the other virtues, wanders around like a wounded orphan."
Ente Grillenhaft -- "Treatise on Reason and Hysteria"
These men gave EVERYTHING for our country because they believed our leaders knew what in hell they were doing and that perhaps they weren't just doing it for their own enrichment and self-aggrandizement.
Ente Grillenhaft -- "Treatise on Reason and Hysteria"
An excellent point to add to the debate; thank you for reading and sharing.
AK