I was talking to my dad this morning, and we were discussing the election. He was not a supporter of President-Elect Obama (how I love typing that!), and I told him that all week I was going to call and gloat, but decided that I would be nice and not, because he would probably just say something that made me mad.
He just laughed and we kept talking. He did mention that Obama was his president now, too, and that he would support him. Then he said that our economy was a mess and that he hoped Obama would pick great advisers and not just people to whom he owed a favor, like Bush had done. I couldn't believe he was actually acknowledging that Bush was not a perfect president. That's amazing.
At any rate, here's when things went south in our conversation. I mentioned to Dad that Uncle James (who was my mom's brother, and has to be close to 90 by now) had sent me a racist joke email about our new president.
Dad said I should just ignore messages like that. I said that no, I decided to politely ask Uncle James to please not send me emails like that, because I do not support his political views, and I found that particular email offensive. He had already sent me a couple of emails from his preacher about how the only moral choice was to vote McCain/Palin, but this last email was more than I could bear.
My uncle wrote back that he didn't mean to offend me and was sorry, and that he believed that God chooses our country's leaders, so he will support Obama any way that he can. I thought that sounded pretty good, and surprisingly gracious.
Dad did not think I did the right thing. He said, "Didn't you send Shari an email like that awhile back?" Shari is my cousin Jeff's wife, and I had no idea my dad knew I had emailed her. So this is a bad sign. I said that yes, I had made the same request of her. She had sent me this long email about how Obama was not only a radical Muslim, but the Antichrist. I felt I needed to respond. I, again, was really polite about it. I just said that I didn't agree with her, and to please not send me emails of that nature. She wrote back that she didn't mean to offend me, and that I had the right to vote for Obama if I wanted to. Which I thought was kind of her.
But apparently I hurt her feelings. Dad said that she was offended by my email. And that if I ever sent him an email like that, he would probably never speak to me again. I said, "Well fine, I don't want to hear from racists." Dad said that wasn't very nice, and that I should just let things go. That was some fatherly advice from him. He then mentioned that I am a grown woman and can do whatever I want, but that would be how he handled such matters.
So if someone sends me an offensive email, I'm just supposed to ignore it? And attempting to gently inform someone that his or her email is offensive will hurt his or her feelings? That is ridiculous.
I believe in internet etiquette. If I have an email that I know is super liberal and that my family members (other than my sister, who is a bleeding heart like me, thank God) won't agree with, I don't send it to them. I try to be courteous.
I have one friend from back home who sends me lots of annoying emails about illegal immigrants and whatnot, but she does it just to bug me, and we've talked about it, so that's ok. I just ignore them. And occasionally I'll send her a super liberal one, and we get a laugh out of it.
I can handle when my family members send me super evangelical emails -- I can ignore those. I don't think of them as mean-spirited, just annoying and a little insulting, as my religious beliefs are really none of their business and they should stop concerning themselves with my salvation. But they don't make me mad.
But if you send me an email that is clearly racist and offensive, I should not have to just ignore that. You should know that the email is racist and offensive.
For far too long people have just politely ignored (and silently fumed) over comments and jokes that are racist or sexist or simply inappropriate. I've done this at work, at parties, on the bus, and at many, many family gatherings. But when I do that, I'm giving tacit approval to this sort of hatred. I'm not going to do that anymore.
I mean, I'm not going to be a jerk about it. I think I'm super nice about it. And I actually did feel kind of bad sending out those emails, like I was the one doing something wrong and should apologize. But I'm not going to worry about it anymore. And if my Uncle James or my cousin Shari feel like they should never speak to me again, well that's fine, too. I'll get over it. I have plenty of non-racists in my life I'd much rather talk to. Plus, Shari sends all those annoying hoax emails about horrible things that happen to you at gas stations and whatnot. I don't know why the woman can't look stuff up on Snopes.com before she hits the forward key. But that's a separate discussion.
So I guess I'm wondering how other people handle this sort of situation. Do you just ignore it? Or do you say or email something to the other person? I'm looking for some support here, because I'm starting to feel kind of guilty. I hate feeling guilty. (Southern mothers perfected the art of making their children feel guilty -- my mom gave it to me in spades. And my dad knows how to do it to me, too. It's very annoying.)
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I have another older cousin that was extremely pro-McCain. Sent me the most ridiculous stuff. She's also on armageddon watch. So I get forwarded messages about the end times. Real cheery, I tell ya. With her, I just ignore it. I feel bad for her. I'm also convinced she doesn't read half of the stuff she sends me. I don't think that she'd understand if I tried to confront her about stuff. Sometimes I feel really bad about that; I feel like I should respond back. Other times, I feel it's right that I give her a pass because of her age.
iamironman -- I'm already the black sheep in the family who married a Yankee and crossed the Mason Dixon, so being on the outs shouldn't really surprise me. But it still does.
One reason my ex- has that status is because his family was extremely racist. I hated family dinners when his father (bless him because he has passed) a former Miami police chief would tell racist Cuban jokes. He never told black jokes since he had been instrumental in integrating the police department. However, like many long term Miami natives he did not like Cubans. I did not like the jokes and refused to listen to them -- started doing the dishes to avoid hearing them. Protesting would have just created the type of dissension you describe.
No one sends me those sort of emails but if it was from family members I would ignore them. My Republican sister did send an email to my FOB brother implying that Saudis wanted Obama to be president since he was Muslim/would drive up gase prices (I don't get it either) and he tried to educate her with links to fact checker. She didn't appreciate that and stopped sending such emails.
I loved this post as I encounter it here in Red State Hell daily.
RATED "G" for Good for you girl! :=)
I posted a fun one just for you ...
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On the other hand, at least one commenter (the next to last comment) felt that my response was too harsh.
I don't have any regrets about anything I have said in response to racism. I've heard racist spew all my life: I probably should have talked back more.
BTW - if you say or do nothing the behavior just continues and worse yet, they may think that you condone it, so speak out.
The unmitigated gall of a neocon who has the temerity to become insulted and defensive when their racist, uncivilized behavior is challenged directly.
It's difficult to be the odd one out in the family; the person who doesn't share the view of the majority, mostly because it would be wrong to do so. Usually, the family will try to shame you into going along with the program and will take every opportunity to make sure that you tow the line. The challenge for you is to decide whether or not you are willing to alienate these gems and stand up for yourself.
It's never easy to be the lone independent voice in the wilderness....but it's probably something that you won't be able to avoid. I agree with you, I think that to not speak up is the same as tacitly approving of what is being said. However, I agree that not every one is bold enough to stand their ground, so as someone said before, deleting the offending piece may be the best way to avoid conflict.
On the other hand, continuing to let others know that you do not approve of the offending pieces and perhaps sharing why is the best way to make it known where you stand. Always be prepared for backlash too......none is as sensitive as the jerks who send the most reprehensible crap under the guise of just trying to be helpful. Almost always, the offending emails never contain insightful information that details what THEY think of the piece...it's just a series of mindless forwards sent from one group to the next to the next......
Look. You can't choose your family. Standing up to them could cause you to lose or alienate some. I believe that sometimes the best support system that you can have is with people who share no DNA with you. Sometimes a loss is replaced with something much, much better....but YOU have to be ok with that possibility.
Injustice requires a response. We do not pick our battles so we can win the war.That's how 'separate but equal' passed to begin with. We fight every battle, no matter how small. We don't look for battles but we recognize them when we see them, and we fight. And fight again. And again.We fall down and rise up and fight again, with our last breath, the way we would want others to stand up for us.
Your dad is wrong, but at least he's wrong in a way that is not supporting racism, just in the interest of family harmony. So ironically his own advice should be used against him - when he adjures that you don't respond to the racist, the sexist, the religious bigot, the xenophobe, just smile and let it go. And when the next ism crosses your path, fight it with the same polite but immovable sense of what is right and just and true.
Q: What do sushi from Nobu and Barack Obama have in common?
A: They've both been spit out of Scarlett Johanson's mouth.
TA - DA!! Problem solved.
In other words, you're getting this secondhand, so your dad's impression of how she feels may not be exactly how she really feels. I wouldn't assume that he's really fairly representing her side, even if he means well, unless you have some evidence from her that she's taken it badly.
Matthew 10:16
I occasionally get one of those racist or other untruthful e-mails from "friends" or even family. Usually, I'll check them out on www.snopes.com and sent them the link with a message that usually goes like this: "Dear _______, As a Christian, I'm sure that you would not knowingly spread untruths or hateful messages. I always check these things out Snopes and if they're false (as they almost always are) I let the forwarder know. Check it out.
As ever, Dave"
PS: I avoid sarcasm such as: "Does your mother know that you spread crap like this?"
That repeated request finally got those emails out of my inbox. I was at a point that I was ready to send everything from one particular family member (one as close as it gets) into a junk file and never read her emails again.
Thank you for your post, Amy ( and also from Tequilaanddonuts' comment). I didn't know you were in my family too, but I hope we meet at a gathering soon! Stephanie
Amy, you did it just right.
I 'm aggressively assertive and get in someone's face about things for which I stand up.
Your issue is one of them.
I sent an email to some racist clown cartoonist named gary mccoy.
He drew a racist cartoon about MY president Obama and I sent him an email about my objection.
Here's the exchange in reverse chronological order:
Well, this REAL American VETERAN and millions like him have pissed ON you and your fellow LOSERS.
Instead of blathering you hate and resentments, why don't you make an attempt to work WITH other Americans to acheive what we hope for?
You're probably consumed with the typical hate and anger which defines your sort.
Too bad for you.
We WILL make America great again, in spite of YOUR efforts to tear it down even further than your heroes, cheney & his hand puppet have done.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary
To: ME/MYSELF/I
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: you are full of hate, resenment and irrational anger
quite to the contrary. I'm full of love, understanding, and an astute ability to piss off liberals.
----- Original Message -----
From: ME/MYSELF/I
To: gary@garymccoy.org
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 9:59 AM
Subject: you are full of hate, resenment and irrational anger
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I have no time or patience with those who seek to tear down what I stand for.
I sent this clown a cartoon of many many smiling faces about the election and got this in return, again in reverse order:
I found it in a foxhole after VOLUNTEERING to go to Nam where I was a corpsman.
How did YOU get out of serving America?
Did you suck little georiepunk's weenie in Ala while hiding out?
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary
To: ME/MYSELF/I
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: YOU ARE TOTALLY OUTNUMBERED BY REAL AMERICANS~~YOU ARE NOT ONE
Where'd you get the drawing of the Socialist Party of America?
Amy,
"Illegitimi non carborundum"
Now I'm dealing with fallout of the results of the election. Still the snide remarks and dark threats about what is to come. My reply has been that the election is over, Americans have chosen their new President, and it's time we all work to unite and support Pres. Elect Obama and move on.
I pray for his safety from the prejudiced, the "Supremists" and the KKK. We don't need to follow the gutter politics of the "Current Occupant" (as Garrison Keilor likes to say) any further. Let's lift our country back up out of the septic tank and move on.
If you send something that's potentially controversial (which, today, honestly, could be nearly anything), then you should not be surprised if someone on your blast list replies negatively. Or at all.
And you must then really ask yourself: what was your point in sending the email in the first place?
This would be a good lesson for your sister-in-law.
Meanwhile... keep doing what you're doing.
Positive change comes from the ground up. Our role, as I see it, is to reach out and help folks past their irrational fear, and to help them to discover how their true interests can best be served.
Those people who think one should quietly accept an insult are akin to those people who won't call the police when a crime is committed.
You did exactly the right thing.
Very well said, Amy. Out of a distorted sense of politeness, too many of us have remained silent too long, thus implying we agree. We can be polite as we inform friends/acquaintances and family that we disagree.
I went through the same thing except instead of father it was the F-I-L. A closet racist who uses Fox news as the USA's culture bible. He still believes Obama is a Muslim...
As for your cousin she sounds like an habitual hypocrite. Just a sympton of the RCP neonerdization of those with that caliper of character. You just need to forget it. You are not the Jerk...
You may have the energy and will only to address the current offense when it occurs. However, it might also help if, from time to time, you help people see that diversity in the world has the potential to make it a richer and more enjoyable place to live rather than a more difficult and threatening place, and that much of the time, it is how we respond to difference that determines whether it becomes a diminishment of the common good or an enhancement of it.
Blessings to you in seeking to do what you can to make the world a more joy-filled place!
Rose, I've known all my life that there are bigots in my family. This is not a surprise. And I shouldn't be surprised that they would feel the need to spread their hatred. Evangelical Christianity is all about proselytizing, so I guess they think they are doing the right thing, although I will never understand how hatred is a Christian value. At any rate, I'm ok with not talking to these people. I'll get over the guilt. I just think it is sad that it comes down to that. But I am definitely not going to let things like this go. And I hope others won't, either.
We lived downstairs from them for ten mostly wonderful years, during which they helped us raise our kids with a loving, stable sense of belonging to a family. But one night, my father in law started going on about "nigger this and nigger that." All I remember is calling Bullshit on him and telling him never to talk like that in front of my children (even if we all were technically under his roof).
The next day my husband came to me and informed me, "we have to move."
So, yes, you should call ignoramuses on their bullshit. But be prepared to get out of Dodge.
My mom got the hell out her hometown b/c of them. She told me a story about her church when MLK Jr was assassinated and the members applauded. I really don't like my mother's side of the family so I avoid them, even on the holidays. My mom is embarrassed of them.
As I am my parents' primary caregiver and don't wish them to be found dead in their beds, I have attempted rapprochement several times, only to be told to get the hell out of his house. (There is a positive side: My siblings are now having to step up in the parent-care department.)
I am willing to allow that other people have different opinions, sometimes very passionate ones. I am not willing to allow them to believe that everyone agrees with them, and I hold to the (very faint) hope that someday at least one person will say, "Wow, A feels that way and she's someone I respect in other ways; maybe I should rethink this."
Hey, it *could* happen ...