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MAY 29, 2012 4:31PM

Truth Serum: The Birther Controversy in Context

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Donald Trump made two statements on CNBC today, both of which are false.

The first statement was, "I've been known as a very smart guy..."

The second statement was that "If you're not born in this country, you're not allowed to be president."

In the first case, there's no direct evidence that Trump is known as a very smart guy.   Rich?  Definitely.  Clever?  Obviously.  Lucky?  Certainly. 

Smart?   No one who makes  the same false statements over and over again can possibly claim to be smart.

In the second case, however, there is irrefutable evidence that Trump is 100% wrong, thus proving that his first statement is also false because  you can be President of the United States without being born in the United States.

The Code of Laws of the United States of America  - or simply the United States Code or U.S.C. - consists of all the laws of the United States.   Last revised in 2006, the US Code now fills more than 200,000 pages of text...and these are the FEDER AL laws that govern every aspect of life in the United States.  

No one, of course, has ever read the entire document, nor is it possible to read the entire document because it is revised every six years, with annual updates in the intervening years, so that the next edition would be ready before you could finish reading the previous one. ...but you don't have to read the whole thing in order to know that you can be president even if you are not born in the United States....as long as at least one of your parents was born in the United States.

Article 11 Section 1 of the Constitution of the United States  stipulates that:

"No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States."

This raises the question of what it means to be a "natural born citizen?"

Article 1, Section 8 Clause 4 of the Constitution gives Congress the right to create laws defining naturalization and citizenship.

Congress did this with laws that are summarized under Title 8 Section 1401 Paragraph G of the U.S. Code, which definitively states:

"The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth....

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years..."

Referring to Barak Obama's personal history, there is no doubt that Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham ,was an American citizen.  There's also no doubt that she spent the first five years of her life in Wichita, Kansas, which clearly demonstrates that her children are, by definition "citizens of the United States at birth...." and therefore entitle to serve as president of the United States.

Nevertheless, every few weeks, someone revives the "Birther" controversy and, each time it's revived, it reinforces the prejudices of the convinced and encourages more people to become convinced that there must be something to the story....which is a classic example of the Big Lie in action:  If you repeat a lie often enough, sooner or later, the people will begin to believe it. 

And lest you believe that it really doesn't matter, remember that this is precisely how Adolph Hitler lied his way to power, by repeating obvious untruths over and over again.

The underlying story is that no one in the Obama administration has ever stood up and said, "Hey, read the U.S. Code.   Obama is legally a citizen of the United States."

The reason they won't do this is that they are afraid that resorting to what might seem to be a legalism could convince even more people that there's some truth to the rumor that Obama wasn't born in the United States.

And, if they were ever able to prove that point, they could hound Obama out of office - or deny him re-election - on the grounds that he lied about his birth to the American people.

The real question is why won't anyone in the media stand up to the Birthers and say the same thing.

Instead of putting the question to rest by quoting the law, which is incontrovertible, they cite previously released documentation that appears to prove the point that Obama was born in Hawaii.

Why?

Because the Birther story is magnetic.  It attracts viewers.  It attracts readers.  It generates sales.

So, please, every time you see or hear anyone raising questions about Obama's citizenship, refer them to this article and tell them to shut up.

It's only by repeating the truth that we can drown out the lies.

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Great info and the real answer to the question.
But it won't sell soap.
Trump smart? Hell, no! Brash and a bully? Hell, yes! Donkey has made a career out strategic bankruptcies and bullshit. Does that make him smart? Not in my book -- it makes him a scumbag. Gimme the money and connections Donkey started out with, and I could buy and sell his sorry ass. And I'd do it honestly.
Aside from Neocon Chickenhawks, the Birthers, whom I call "The Birthworms" are rapidly becoming my least favorite American demographic. They apparently have no fear of how ridiculous they sound.

If Donald Trump is as rich as he is and so damn smart, why is he still wearing that stupid hairpiece?? He can't find or afford anything more natural looking???
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While I like a good train wreck as much as the next person, this one is beginning to make me cringe with embarrassment. And I'm not even an American.

Comedian Andy Borowitz had a good tweet about it Romney's situation:
Being endorsed by Donald Trump is like being endorsed by a sociopathic asshole with bad hair.
Is it true that John McCain was born in . . . . . . . . . . Panama?
I thank my lucky stars Trump is not president.
Thanks for the great assessment of what's real.
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No, there's another way, but you guys won't like it. Walk up to Trump when he's on camera, tell him he's a liar (with a few added obscenities) and then kick him several times in the crotch. You don't like it because you think sweet reason is the only way to live. You've forgotten the Sweet Science, or as we call it these days, beating the shit out of a jerk.
I am a "natural born U.S. citizen." My daughter was born in South America when I lived there. She has dual citizenship because she was born to an American mother and a Venezuelan father. All I had to do was go to the U.S. Embassy and fill out the appropriate paperwork and, presto, she became a U.S. citizen, too. Any U.S. citizen who has worked and lived abroad knows this. "Birthers" are either playing dumb or are outing themselves for the provincial fools they are. A Colorado congressman this past week outed himself as a "birther," and he received a lot of backlash for it. People are getting tired of these low-brow cheap shots.
Check out CNN, Wolf Blitzer told thedonald he was "really starting to sound ridiculous,"

thedonald's response:

"You are sounding ridiculous!"

The whole issue is ridiculous!
Toritto: Romney knows that he's going to lose to Obama in the debates. The man doesn't have any answers to the questions that Obama will put to him, lacks charisma and must rely upon strategy to win.

Alsoknownas: I have written this article three times now. Help me to attract attention to the key question: why are you asking where Obama was born when it doesn't even matter?

Tom: I'm glad you mentioned the multiple bankruptcies. No one seems to remember that.

Shiral: I have to correct you. It's not rug. It's a comb over with a weave.

Unclechri: McCain was born in Panama while his father was stationed there....but, because his parents were both U.S. Citizens, under THE SAME STATUTE (Title 8 Section 14o1 # G) he is a native born American by birth.

Myriad: The fact of the matter is that much of Trump's power stems from his television shows and the birth bullshit helps him to keep attention on them. The man went bankrupt on his hotel in Atlantic City. If you can't make money running a casino, give it up.

Poor Woman: Donald doesn't want to be President. He wants to OWN a president.

Neutron: I fear for your stability. First of all, Donald travels everywhere with four very large men - who always stay out of camera range - who will tie you up in knots. My suggestion is that we all go to Trumps hotels, run up large bills and skip out.....

Deborah: Another OS poster living in Mexico went through an incredible nightmare last year trying to get her newborn son recognized as a US citizen under the same exact rules. We are now living in what I have to call the age of irrationality.

Kate: You're right: this is nothing more or less that outright racism. If Obama were white, this wouldn't be happening. On the other hand, if Obama were white, he wouldn't be president right now.

Shanghai: Wolf, Ed, and the whole coterie of talking heads all commit the same journalistic error: instead of challenging the fact that where you are born doesn't determine citizenship, they continue to pander to the question.

If they were to challenge the contention that Obama isn't entitled to be president because he wasn't born here, they would have to resort to their final argument: Obama lied about being born in Hawaii and therefore he shouldn't be president because he lied.

Here's a question: How would Obama, or anyone else for that matter, be able to stipulate where he (0r she) was born? Newborns aren't in a position to take notes.
Okay, this is just plain ridiculous. I just heard Trump say that "Obama is using reverse psychology to keep the birther controversy alive by encouraging reporters to ask questions about it.

It was TRUMP, in an interview that aired on CNBC, who made the statement that he doubted that Obama was born in the United States, which then triggered this new round of Birther Bullshit.

The man is either bat shit crazy, or he thinks we're so stupid that we will believe anything he says because he's the Donald.

Any fears that Romney might beat Obama are quickly fading. There simply can't be that many people who are stupid enough to believe this nonsense, right?

Right?
I don't think that the information provided is correct. Let me quote you something you missed: a natural-born citizen is one whose citizenship is recognized by law of nations rather than mere local recognition.

Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, James F. Wilson of Iowa, confirmed this in 1866: “We must depend on the general law relating to subjects and citizens recognized by all nations for a definition, and that must lead us to the conclusion that every person born in the United States is a natural-born citizen of such States, except that of children born on our soil to temporary sojourners (TEMPORARY SOJOURNERS) or representatives of foreign Governments.”*

When a child inherits the citizenship of their father, they become a natural-born citizen of the nation their father belongs regardless of where they might be born. It should be pointed out that citizenship through descent of the father was recognized by U.S. Naturalization law whereby children became citizens themselves as soon as their father had become a naturalized citizen, or were born in another country to a citizen father.

Yes, birth is prima facie evidence of citizenship, but only the citizenship of the nation the father is a member.

* Temporary sojourners like transient aliens were a description applied to aliens other than resident aliens. The difference being temporary aliens were here for temporary purposes, such as work, travel, visitation or school, who had no desire to become citizens or was prevented from becoming citizens by law. Resident aliens were those who desired to become citizens and had renounced their prior allegiances and had taken the legal steps to become citizens or reside within some state per state law.

UPDATE: In regards to questions about the citizenship of the mother: Mothers citizenship rarely ever influenced the citizenship of their children except in certain situations such as the father dying before the child was born or when the identity of the father was unknown.
Ingaz is 100% wrong on all counts. First of all, Congressman Wilson's 1866 statement doesn't carry the force of law because it was merely a statement of opinion and therefore has no bearing. Secondly, the import of his statement was to make it clear that, in his opinion, anyone born within the United States is automatically a citizen UNLESS that child were the offspring of foreign visitors who were not permanent residents. The statement has absolutely no bearing on the status of the children of American citizens born outside the United States. Ingaz then goes on to speculate that there is some international law that stipulates children become citizens of the country from which their father comes. There is no such law, nor is there any international body with the authority to pass such a law. Ingaz then goes on to falsely assert that US Naturalization laws stipulate that minor children become citizens when their fathers become naturalized. In fact, the law states that when either parent becomes a citizen the minor children become citizens. The sex of the parent is immaterial. Beyond this, one must also wonder if this isn't a very sophisticated case study designed to support the opinion that Barak Obama lost his US citizenship when he was adopted by his Indonesian step-father. The law is clear about this as well. If his birth father had become an Indonesian citizen, Barak Obama could possibly have claimed Indonesian citizenship but that decision would remain up to him, and could not have been made before his 18th birthday. Case closed.
On second thought, I have confused Barry Soetoro's case with the case of Barack Obama, Jr.

As the son of Barack Obama, Senior, born before June 30, 2006, Barack Obama, Junior, did not automatically become a citizen of Great Britain. In order for Obama to acquire dual citizenship, his father would have been required to apply for citizenship on behalf of his son, in which case Obama, Junior, would have held dual British-American citizenship. However, he would never have been a citizen of Kenya because Obama was born in 1961 and Kenya did not exist as an independent nation until 1963. There is no evidence that Barack Obama, Senior, either sought nor received citizenship status for his son.

As the adopted son of Lolo Soetoro, Barry Soetoro could not have acquired Indonesian citizenship because Indonesian law grants citizenship by inheritance through the mother only, but not through the father, according to the website of the Indonesian Consulate. (http://www.indonesiachicago.org/abtindopeo.htm)

Even when the mother of the child is Indonesian, the child must still APPLY for citizenship at age 18. Citizenship is not automatically granted.

The REAL issue that motivates the Birthers is that Birthers believe that, because he grew up in Indonesia for a four year period from 1967, when he was six, until 1971, when he was 10. Those four years make Obama an alien in the eyes of the Birthers regardless of the facts about his citizenship status. The fact that Obama is half-black further exacerbates their distrust, along with his father's Muslim background.

The wikipesdia article on this subject does not take into account the effect of the section 1401 of Title 8 of the US Code. I may take that up when I have time and energy to do so.
"Natural Born Citizen" is spelled out so clearly in the Constitution of the United States that anyone with an ounce of intelligence would understand it. Sometimes, however, truth is so close and obvious that it blinds those unwilling to accept it, and pass themselves off as its advocates, which only shows them as the demagogues that they truly are. That is really scary.

By the way, I never thought of Donald Trump as a (very) smart guy. Shrewd, yes, with a crudity that blares with his nouveau richesse.

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I fear it will all come down to the economy, as it usually does. People end up voting for the most selfish of reasons, many of them so petty it's embarrassing to acknowledge. The birther argument is one of a myriad rationalizations the ignorant use to justify their selfish interests.
Mr. Milner, you said to me, Neutron: I fear for your stability. First of all, Donald travels everywhere with four very large men - who always stay out of camera range - who will tie you up in knots. My suggestion is that we all go to Trumps hotels, run up large bills and skip out.....

First of all, in America 2012, nobody is stable; some people only think they are. As Lewis Black said, the only way to deal with crazy is to be even crazier. (Something that the left has never learned, or willfully forgot, because there used to be lots of crazies in the New Left.)

Second, those very large men can be taken out easily, either temporarily or permanently. The preferred way to do it is to make it look like a hit by the Mafia. Remember all those crappy buildings Trump put up in Manhattan, with those superficial gold faucets and crappy marble appliques? He forgot to pay the appropriate tribute to the even larger men in black suits, all named Guido...
FusnA, the problem is that the Constitution only says that the office of the presidency can go only to a natural born citizen....but it doesn't define the term. The term is only defined in the US Code and the Birthers don't want to read the US Code.
Neutron, I have first hand experience with Americans of Italian extraction, carried a gun for 25 years as a result of a very specific altercation, but that was then and this is now and they mostly farm their work out to retired IDF guys but, then, the Jews were always the hitters for the mob, as well as the bookkeepers. More to the point, I wouldn't waste any lead on The Donald. I rather doubt that he's going to be around a whole lot longer. The man doesn't look very healthy to me....but, then, Bob Dylan didn't look so hot either yesterday. Hard to believe that he's 71 years old, until you get a close up look at him. He looks more like a cowboy than he ever did before. Still, it was a very poignant moment when Dylan shook hands with Obama, and then patted him on the shoulder, the much older man who is one of the really few people on the face of the earth who really understands what it's like to be the focus of so much public attention day after day.
Chicken Maan, it all comes down to money, not economics, and unless democrats start kicking more into the campaign, Romney could yet win this thing. I just got a $2500 commission. $250 is going to the Obama campaign. I am sending 10% of each commission to Obama.
Seer, you are quite right. That's why Jews are only Jews if the mother is Jewish. Glad you brought that up.
IF Obama's citizenship was TRULY an issue... so too would the citizenship of Mittens be an issue because, fact not fiction, Mittens was born in Mexico.

Obviously it's "NOT an issue" when it comes to Mittens but IS an issue when it comes to Obama - which leads those capable of thought to the conclusion there's only ONE reason it's an "issue" for one and not the other... the color of the person's skin. Which is positively sickening.

On the other hand - I leave it to my children to become President since I sure as the devil have no inclination to do the job (I'd likely turn into a dictator very rapidly).
I think overall the details of the U.S. Constitution are not well known or understood. Those who can recall are more likely to say that to be President a person must be at least 35 years of age and born here. "Natural born citizen" is the phrase that if remembered, still isn't questioned. So when the birth certificate was provided it was enough to end the wondering, even though it is not salient to the actual requirement.
That's the educated class. It's downhill after that.
I do not know how the question of "what does it matter where he was born?" can be asked without a majority of persons misunderstanding.

I see now in a comment you have addressed the fact the U.S. Code established by Congress as proscribed in the U.S. Constitution is not willinbgly researched by the Birthers.
But I had already taken the time to type this so I'll send it anyway.
I'm glad you're writing this and I will share to FB. But I fear those who believe big lies want to remain ignorant, willfully, because it only confirms what they believe in the deepest darkest recesses of their tiny little minds. Thinking, researching and logic is hard work!
It's possible that Trump has been known as a very smart guy, but never by actual very smart guys.

I appreciate the further definition of natural born citizen. I have absolutely no doubt that if McCain were the Democratic candidate, he'd have faced this issue because of his Canal Zone birth, a characteristic I happen to share with him.

I find it thoroughly interesting and disgustingly expected that no in in the media has observed this about the actual legal issue. As I have said before, the Fourth Estate now consists of a bunch of political reporters who behave like inept sportscasters. I say "inept" because real sportscasters care very much about the integrity of the game, whereas political reporters only care about who's winning, not at all about how. I miss Bryant Gumbel on the Today Show for precisely this reason: He was a former sportscaster who actually worried about the integrity of the game when it came to politics.
If only we could shout, "Riddikulus!" and make this boggart go away! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps3cJksVMXw
Mrs. R, how nice to hear from you again. Spread the word. We're mad as hell and we're not going to take it any more. Isn't interesting that HBO is coming out with a new mini-series about a mainstream anchor who suddenly comes out of his shell and starts telling the truth! Oh, right, you don't get HBO on the Res? (Just kidding.)

AKA, I've been harping on this for three years, and each time I write about it I research it freshly from scratch because I long ago learned that quoting yourself is very dangerous and leads to all kinds of errors.


CC: ditto

Kosher: we should talk sometime. We need to coordinate something.
Mr. Milner, one advantage of using the Mafia is that, maybe for once, they'd stop thinking of Islamic people as "the" terrorists. If Trump survives a confrontation with my theoretical thugs with fungo bats, he'll spend the rest of his misbegotten wealth on a War On Sicilians.

For the person who expects Trump to die soon, look at Dick Cheney. He got a new heart, for free, at taxpayer's expense, while they forbid health care to regular people. Trump has enough body parts to keep himself rebuilt for centuries. Those body parts sent in the mail in Canada were intended for him.
Oh, my... so many people are discussing one thing that usually is resolved in a minute: usually, when there is a disagreement that could be proved by a legal document, the only thing needed is to provide that document (the original, preferably) and... that's it! The case closed! But why, why for almost four years the country is so divided about one issue: who is the man who sits at the White House being a President of the United States? Really, who is he? Let me provide you a list of documents that are sealed by Obama:

No one saw an original birth certificate (only computerized copies, and it took almost a three years for Obama administration to release the long form);
Obama’s adoption records — sealed
Records of Obama’s and his mother’s repatriation as US citizens on return from Indonesia — not found, not released
Name change (Barry Sotero to Barack Hussein Obama) records — not found, not released
Noelani Elementary School (Hawaii)— not released
Punahou School financial aid or school records — not released
Occidental College financial aid records — not released.(These records were, however, subpoenaed but Obama lawyers succeeded in quashing the subpoena in court. No other Occi records have been released.)
Columbia College records — not released
Columbia senior thesis — not released
Harvard Law School records- not released
Obama’s law client list — sealed
Obama’s files from career as an Illinois State Senator — sealed
Obama’s record with Illinois State Bar Association — sealed
Obama’s medical records — not released
Obama’s passport records — not released

Do you, Mr. Milner, really know anything about Obama? Why everything is sealed? What is he hiding? Why all the records from schools and colleges are sealed? WHY? Would you imagine something like that in regards of Romney? (BTW, Romney wasn't born in Mexico, his father was born to American citizens, leaving for some time in Mexico.)

Most of the information that you, Mr. Milner provided is either outdated or is from recent time. At the time Obama was in Indonesia the law of that country was that no child could go to public school in there if he/she wasn't a citizen of Indonesia. That's my information!
Trump has one thing on his mind. Trump.
The foolish notion that citizenship is determined only thru the father is so absurd that it isn't worth refuting, but let's have a go at it anyway, shall we? Here's your hypothetical:

What would be the citizenship status of a child born to an American woman, who while on vacation in Mexico was gang-raped by ex-pat Americans and Mexicans who were never caught, and thus there was no way to match DNA to the actual father?

By the "reasoning" coughed-up here, this child would be a man or woman without a country. Could the "brilliant" Donkey Trump untie this Gordian Knot? Maybe we should leave that to Old New Lefty.
Alan I could if I owned a television... Satellite is wonderful stuff so I am told. :P~

Ingaz... nobody has EVER seen an original of any OTHER politician's birth certificate. Originals of birth certificates are filed (by law mind you) by the hospital with the clerk of the county where a person was born. Piss, moan, whine, complain... You will NEVER see the original of his any more than you will get your hands on the original of your own.
Ingaz raises an interesting but invalid point. Here's the rebuttal:

No other candidate in the history of the Republic has EVER provided these documents for public scrutiny. Such disclosures are not required by law....nor is anyone asking Romney to provide the same documentation.

The sole reason that certain, Ingaz included, is demanding to see these documents is that they are already convinced that Obama isn't a citizen and thus seek to impose a discriminatory burden of proof.

Insofar as the original birth certificate is concerned, it is on file in the County Clerk's office in Honolulu and anyone with a valid reason - or a court order - can inspect the certificate in situ - in the bound volume where the document has been ever since Obama was born.

I know this because the Governors and Secretaries of State in Hawaii - Republicans and Democrats - have all publicly stipulated to this. It is interesting that no one in Hawaii seems to doubt his place of birth.

None of Ingaz's arguments are, however, germane to the key issue, which is that the place where Mr. Obama was born is completely irrelevant to his status as a "native born" citizen of the United States as defined by the U.S. Code.

This will probably be the last comment on this post, because we have beaten the subject to death, but I would challenge ANYONE to collect these documents. You might find some of them, but none of them are relevant to the two key facts: Obama is a legal native born American Citizen who never resigned his citizenship rights, and Obama is the legally elected president of the United States.
How interesting, Mr. Merlin, that you decided to post a last comment after "rebutting" my post. Let me tell you that your rebuttal was wrong from the beginning to the end! Let me give you what I know about those issues, but before that, I'd like you to know that I am not a "birther" simple because I don't care where Obama was born. I believe that the man is a lier and that he has been lying about a lot of things, but I don't care if his place of birth is one of them. And now to your points:

"No other candidate in the history of the Republic has ever provided these documents..." Wrong! McCain did provide his birth certificate when Democrats raised the issue of his birth place. Romney already provided his certificate, although, no one asked him to do so. Honestly, I don't know why there isn't a list of necessary documentations that should be provided by each candidate at the time of announcing his/her candidacy. That requirement would eliminate a lot of unnecessary questions. And, really, Mr. Merlin, you have to stop to use a race card in regard to Obama - after all he is half black, half white and you have to never forget how he won and what was the reaction of this country to this victory of his.
So, let's begin:

1. Do you know that on his first full day in office, Januray 21, 2009, the current president signed Executive Order 13489, effectively prohibiting the release or disclosure of any of his personal records and papers without his specific authorization: his true origins, past associations, idealogical convictions, behavioral motivations and ongoing relationships. I don't know about you, but to me these are matters of great importance, as it is to a fast growing number of Americans of all political persuasions who just want to know the truth. I am a curious person and I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW what my president did while in the college, what papers he wrote, what grades he had, how is his health (remember concerns about McCain's health?) etc...

2. Original birth certificate could not be seen by "ANYONE WITH A VALID REASON" as you stated. With the court order or without. The previous governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, said that it was shown to her, and, as she said, it was half hand-written, half printed. (It was probably some other document - the one we all saw is printed from the beginning to the end, isn't it?). Neil Abercrombie, the present Hawaii governor, promised to find the certificate and to show it to everyone who wants to see it ("to the whole world", he said)- but he never was able to locate it. As former Hawaii election clerk Tim Adams stated under the oath, there was no such document on file.

Everything I wrote is very relevant to the issue of why so many people still don't believe that Obama is legally elected president - it's because this issue is just one piece of a huge puzzle with so many unanswered questions, and until people find these answers, this issue will not die, no matter what kind of proof you'll provide.
P.S. I forgot to thank you, Mr. Milner, for civilized response to my note. For some reason, lately people in response to what I write call me all the names you could think of, erase my responses and close their posts to responses. Just last week it's happened to me twice. So, again, thank you for being normal, no matter of our disagreements.
Ingaz... Point of Order:

An election clerk, regardless of the jurisdiction in question, is NOT (in most cases) the same creature as a duly elected COUNTY clerk. County, township and city clerks are elected by the people of the county, city or township. Election clerks are (generally) appointed by county, city and township clerks and have access to ELECTION information rather than ALL information. Birth certificates, marriage licenses and death certificates are ALL on the list of things which election clerks do not have access to UNLESS they are the duly elected County clerk.

Election clerks have access to voter records, voting equipment, ballots, etc... those things which pertain to voting and only those things which pertain to voting. Everything is outside of their bailiwick.
Mrs. Raptor, you might be right in regard to who's responsibility it is to check on some specific documents. The only thing I know that Mr. Adams was quite informed of what was going on in Hawaii after the issue of the birth certificate came up. He even signed an Affidavit claiming that there wasn't Obama birth certificate in Hawaii. In regard to your previous response in regard to the original birth certificates, I have my original birth certificate given to my parents on the day I left the hospital with my mother - but, of course, it is from different country.
When will this racist idiocy end?
Barack Obama was born in Honolulu. Which is in Hawaii. Hawaii is part of the US. Even if both of his parents had been non citizens- by dint of being born on American soil he's a citizen. Period. But his mother was born in Kansas- which last time I checked is also part of the US.

George Romney was born in Mexico; John McCain in Panama- the subject of THEIR eligibility to be president was a non issue. Couldn't be because they're both white could it? Of course not...

OK- we get it- Barack Obama is a racists worst nightmare- African father, white Mid Western teen aged mother. But come on- when will common sense, logic and a nodding acquaintanceship with reality return to this country?
Uncle Chri has uncovered the fact that the conservatives are masters of the psychological deficiency of projection. In other words, whatever sin I am guilty of, I can accuse the other side of being guilty of my sin while drawing attention away from my personal deficiency.
Oh, and racism helps a little, too.